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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Fans of so-called diversity would have a difficult task spinning that programme positively. The reporter, coppers and Barry victim: all white. Everyone else featured: non-white.
Just to highlight again this is racist. Pointing out statistics isn’t racist but this is.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
God knows what the answer to this is , armed police on every street corner , I used to enjoy going to the grangetown carnival but I hear that area of town is well dodgy at night
The programme insinuated some of it was down to county lines, the drug dealers from shitier parts of the UK, coming down and taking territory and local drug dealers and young couriers arming themselves for protection, and then it is spreading from there!
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
goats
It reminds me of the gang violence that used to plague LA and New York, the police just basicallly let them wipe each other out
If memory serves one of the key developments which reduced gang related killings was the introduction of laws which basically made every gang member equally guilty of murder even though they may not have been present. Membership of the gang was enough to convict them
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
I actually do think Javid is racist as it goes. Not because of this quote though.
It’s not the pointing out of the race that makes you a racist though, it’s the fact you tar every non white person with the same brush by saying “I’d like to see champions of so called diversity spin this”.
It doesn’t need to be spun the reason more black people are criminals isn’t because they’re black it’s because of how society treats non white people.
But if that is so, and i'm not disputing it, why are most knife crimes "Black on Black" and not "Black on White" to retaliate against the way society treats them?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Who gets most caught up in knife crime? People involved in the drug trade at a low level
Who's more likely to be involved in the drug trade at a low level? People who are desperate for money
Who's most likely to be desperate for money? Poor people
Which part of society is more likely to be poor? Non white people
Who buys the most cocaine and doesn't get punished for it? Middle class white people.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But if that is so, and i'm not disputing it, why are most knife crimes "Black on Black" and not "Black on White" to retaliate against the way society treats them?
Isn’t the fact it’s black on black crime just proving the point even more?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Isn’t the fact it’s black on black crime just proving the point even more?
No
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
So do you think black people are just naturally more likely to be violent then?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Dont want to play this down but kids carried knives in my day. Not that they ever used them.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
So do you think black people are just naturally more likely to be violent then?
You do like to twist shit to suit your own agenda don't you.
I was pointing out that you said that they were like they were because of the way "society" treats them, and asked why, if that was the case, the vast majority of knife crime is "black on Black" and not "Black oh White", as in against the society that treats them so badly.
I said nothing about any particular ethnic group being particularly any particular way. So why bring it into the argument. I suspect its because you cannot argue the simple point so you try to distract by throwing in something else.
But actually I don't give a toss unless someone starts stabbing me or mine!
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Non white people are more likely to be involved in violent crime because of how society is.
I don’t see how you think the fact “black on black” crime happens is a counter point to that.
It’s not about retaliation, it’s about poorer people being involved in drugs and gangs and therefore more likely to be involved in knife crime.
How many people who are involved in knife crime do you think are rich and how many do you think are poor?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Non white people are more likely to be involved in violent crime because of how society is.
I don’t see how you think the fact “black on black” crime happens is a counter point to that.
It’s not about retaliation, it’s about poorer people being involved in drugs and gangs and therefore more likely to be involved in knife crime.
How many people who are involved in knife crime do you think are rich and how many do you think are poor?
Why are you asking me? I seem to recall I just said I'm not interested.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why are you asking me? I seem to recall I just said I'm not interested.
Made a right tit of yourself :hehe:
“IF ITS BECAUSE OF SOCIETY WHY ARENT THEY STABBING WHITES”
It’s not the French Revolution mate :hehe:
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
I actually do think Javid is racist as it goes. Not because of this quote though.
It’s not the pointing out of the race that makes you a racist though, it’s the fact you tar every non white person with the same brush by saying “I’d like to see champions of so called diversity spin this”.
It doesn’t need to be spun the reason more black people are criminals isn’t because they’re black it’s because of how society treats non white people.
There are no excuse whatsoever for being a criminal, or plunging a knife into another person.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Made a right tit of yourself :hehe:
“IF ITS BECAUSE OF SOCIETY WHY ARENT THEY STABBING WHITES”
It’s not the French Revolution mate :hehe:
It's you making a tit of yourself, and keyboard 'shouting' just makes you look more of a knobber than you already appear. You cannot explain black on black crime as proof of your argument, so first try to deflect the argument and now start having a tantrum.
Time for your cocoa and bed I think.
you cannot let anything go, just like the WB/ Ronniedbird thing.
Get a life!
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
I’ve explained it mate, it’s not my fault you don’t understand.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
There are no excuse whatsoever for being a criminal, or plunging a knife into another person.
Who said it’s an excuse ?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
There are no excuse whatsoever for being a criminal, or plunging a knife into another person.
Yes there is.
It's the fault of white people. White people force them to do it. Some black young men have no free will, because of white people.
If you don't know that you must be a racist 🙄
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Yes there is.
It's the fault of white people. White people force them to do it. Some black young men have no free will, because of white people.
If you don't know that you must be a racist
Ah! you clearly fully understand what rudy was saying. Can you explain it to me please in words of 1 syllable because I'm a bit stupid and don't grasp it.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Who said it’s an excuse ?
You gave a reason why more black people are criminals. It came across as a bit of a lame excuse.
There are plenty of white criminals and killers all over the world. Doesn’t matter what skin colour, or creed, there are no excuses.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You gave a reason why more black people are criminals. It came across as a bit of a lame excuse.
There are plenty of white criminals and killers all over the world. Doesn’t matter what skin colour, or creed, there are no excuses.
We are talking about knife crime though, people asked why more non white people are doing it. I gave the reason, it’s because poor people are more likely to be involved in that sort of crime. Non white people in the US and the U.K. are more likely to be poor.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Yes there is.
It's the fault of white people. White people force them to do it. Some black young men have no free will, because of white people.
If you don't know that you must be a racist 🙄
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Ah! you clearly fully understand what rudy was saying. Can you explain it to me please in words of 1 syllable because I'm a bit stupid and don't grasp it.
So lads why do you think more non white people are involved in knife crime?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
No one is saying it’s an excuse mate, but there has to be a reason for it when statistics like this are seen.
Why is the percentage of white people on the sex offenders register much higher? Why is there a much bigger number of Pakistani peadophiles? Do you think looking into this reasoning is an excuse ?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
You were the one who commented again though?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Kids too scared to lose a fight these days and lose credibility so arm themselves up with something that will end someone's life as well as their own.
Random searches on the street and an instant 3 years in prison would be my solution but whether the prisons are equipped to deal with the amount of people that would end up inside, I doubt it.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
Coward, you came in back slapping when you thought someone has a point then go running when someone asks a question about it :hehe:
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
How many rich people do you think are involved in knife crime mate?
Also are you being deliberately obtuse by saying excuse? No one is saying the people stabbing people aren't bad, but there has to be an underlying reason unless you think non white people are more likely to be violent.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
It's obviously to do with being poor. It doesn't mean everyone who is poor does knife crime but the huge majority of people who do knife crime are poor.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Coward, you came in back slapping when you thought someone has a point then go running when someone asks a question about it :hehe:
Not me back slapping. I asked a question. :) . If I replied now he wouldn't be the one who wont let go would he. ? Lol
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
In fairness I agree with what he's saying. People aren't more likely to be violent because they're a different skin colour, it's all about the societal reasons that lead to certain people being more likely to be involved in certain things.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
In fairness I agree with what he's saying. People aren't more likely to be violent because they're a different skin colour, it's all about the societal reasons that lead to certain people being more likely to be involved in certain things.
I never disagreed with him, i only asked a question. lol Only asked if as he says, it is a reaction to society's treatment of them why people them attack members of their own ethnic group and not the ill-treaters. It was actually a genuine question as I know little detail about the subject, but he obviously took it as an attack on his post and instead of giving a reasonable response tried to bite.
silly bugger. Fecked up an otherwise reasonable thread. But I expect he will see it as me who did that?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
lardy
It's obviously to do with being poor. It doesn't mean everyone who is poor does knife crime but the huge majority of people who do knife crime are poor.
You’ll have me in tears soon. It’s nonsense. Let’s be blunt for a minute here. The majority of knife related deaths in London, now involve a majority of young black boys/men, who all wear the latest clobber and hoodies, and all have mobile phones.
It’s a cult/gang/ turf war. Nothing to do with poverty.
If it was, they’d be trying to stab the very people (MP’s and councillors etc) who are causing it.
As someone above said, youngsters nowadays don’t seem to have the bottle for an old fashioned one on one fist fight. Losing and losing face in front of their mates just ain’t on.
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Who do you think gets involved in gangs mate? People who have lots of money, a stable upbringing and a good education? Or people who are born into poverty, go to a shit school and are having money troubles at home?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You’ll have me in tears soon. It’s nonsense. Let’s be blunt for a minute here. The majority of knife related deaths in London, now involve a majority of young black boys/men, who all wear the latest clobber and hoodies, and all have mobile phones.
It’s a cult/gang/ turf war. Nothing to do with poverty.
If it was, they’d be trying to stab the very people (MP’s and councillors etc) who are causing it.
As someone above said, youngsters nowadays don’t seem to have the bottle for an old fashioned one on one fist fight. Losing and losing face in front of their mates just ain’t on.
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
So do you think black people are more likely to join gangs just because they’re black then?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
But why is it more likely to be non white people then?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
So do you think black people are more likely to join gangs just because they’re black then?
Sadly Ithink that is absolutely correct. I just don't know why.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Who do you think gets involved in gangs mate? People who have lots of money, a stable upbringing and a good education? Or people who are born into poverty, go to a shit school and are having money troubles at home?
I’d say people who get involved in gangs that stab folk, (because plenty of youngsters belong to gangs who don’t stab folk), are people of any colour/race, who are involved in drug wars, have no respect for others, like to play the poverty card, think they are above the law, put no importance on life itself, shall I go on?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
I’d say people who get involved in gangs that stab folk, (because plenty of youngsters belong to gangs who don’t stab folk), are people of any colour/race, who are involved in drug wars, have no respect for others, like to play the poverty card, think they are above the law, put no importance on life itself, shall I go on?
Dont go on you completely miss the point every time. If you can’t grasp it after all the explanation you’re a lost cause.
Hère are some questions:
1. Do you think rich people get involved in knife crime
2. Do you think rich people get involved in the low levels of the drug trade
3. Do you think rich people join street gangs