Would you change your boozer because of the Beer?

Every night is like a beer festival in my house these next 2 weeks

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Cream ales are dispensed with nitrogen, other kegged beers are dispensed with CO2 or a mix of CO2 and nitrogen.
Craft beers tend to be kegged, the carbonation (bubbles) in the beer are produced by pressurising the keg with CO2 then reducing the pressure to dispense the beer. Real ales are stored in barrels and served with hand pumps or straight from the barrel. No CO2 is added for carbonation or dispensing. However there will be residual yeast in beer when it is barreled and it will continue to condition in the barrel. Main stream beers from the big brewers will be filtered or centrifuged then possibly pasteurised before packaging. This ensures that the beer is bland, predictable and has a long shelf life. Craft beers don't suffer from this treatment.

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Straight out of the manual :hehe:
to me there is little to choose between craft and cask. They both end up flat in my glass and the sight puts me off drinking them bfore i taste them.
Bere used to be pulled up from a tapped and spiled wooden barrel from a cold deep cellar (usually) by beer engine (Force pump) and would be served with a lovely creamy head which would last untily ou finished the pint.
as I said, that went out the window when the SE of England so called 'real ale' revolution started and the mantra became thas it had to be served flat.
Why???? What was wrong with it the way itr was. The way Brains and Ely and Hancock's used to serve it?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Straight out of the manual :hehe:
to me there is little to choose between craft and cask. They both end up flat in my glass and the sight puts me off drinking them bfore i taste them.
Bere used to be pulled up from a tapped and spiled wooden barrel from a cold deep cellar (usually) by beer engine (Force pump) and would be served with a lovely creamy head which would last untily ou finished the pint.
as I said, that went out the window when the SE of England so called 'real ale' revolution started and the mantra became thas it had to be served flat.
Why???? What was wrong with it the way itr was. The way Brains and Ely and Hancock's used to serve it?

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Not from a manual at all, it is knowledge that I happen to know.
The beer you describe is real ale and plenty of it has a good head that lasts. I'm drinking a pint of Catch now that has a head that is lasting. Whether beer has a head that lasts depends on the ingredients and how it is story and served, not on whether it is real ale, craft beer or mass produced bland beer

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Not from a manual at all, it is knowledge that I happen to know.
The beer you describe is real ale and plenty of it has a good head that lasts. I'm drinking a pint of Catch now that has a head that is lasting. Whether beer has a head that lasts depends on the ingredients and how it is story and served, not on whether it is real ale, craft beer or mass produced bland beer

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So your post was not a quote, just straight out of your head. I commend you sir, you have a brilliant and well organised mind.

I haven't seen a good draught beer in 20 years that had a head like a pint of brains had. I'm not talking about bubbles, I mean a nice creamy head that lasts the life of the pint.
Like I said, its all as flat as a witches tit. (Did I say that?)
A sparkler on the pump just makes short lasting bubbles.
The beer I describe is not 'real 'ale, it is what used to be called 'draught' before all the rubbish started to be touted as the savior of beer. Like I said, I drink smooth because it gives me the creamy head that draught beer used to.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The difference is that keg akes are in a pressurised barrel and craft ales are not. The reason like keg is because it is served with a nice creamy head like beer used to be when I grew up drinking Brains and Ely ales. Then came the so called real ale revolution which originated in the S East where they always drank their beer flat and now you can't get a beer that isn't as flat as a witches tit. If looks like dish water

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I#d agree with most of that, the big downside for creamflow pumps to me is they are invariably way to cold.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

So your post was not a quote, just straight out of your head. I commend you sir, you have a brilliant and well organised mind.

I haven't seen a good draught beer in 20 years that had a head like a pint of brains had. I'm not talking about bubbles, I mean a nice creamy head that lasts the life of the pint.
Like I said, its all as flat as a witches tit. (Did I say that?)
A sparkler on the pump just makes short lasting bubbles.
The beer I describe is not 'real 'ale, it is what used to be called 'draught' before all the rubbish started to be touted as the savior of beer. Like I said, I drink smooth because it gives me the creamy head that draught beer used to.

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Yep, all from my head and not a quote. It's what comes from years of brewing and drinking beer.
I still say that

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Beer pulled up from a tapped and spiled wooden barrel from a cold deep cellar (usually) by beer engine (Force pump) and served with a lovely creamy head which would last until you finished the pint.

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is real ale....

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I#d agree with most of that, the big downside for creamflow pumps to me is they are invariably way to cold.

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That was the bit I forgot, cask conditioned (real ales) are usually served at about 12 centigrade. Good draught beers from kegs at may be about 6 centigrade while nitrokeg cream flow stuff is so cold that any flavour and aroma is killed off.

Depends if you go there for the beer or for the regulars/friends/ambience.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Depends if you go there for the beer or for the regulars/friends/ambience.

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That matters but if you don't like the beer perhaps you don't stay long enough to notice the ambience or make lasting 'pub' friends :hehe:

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Yep, all from my head and not a quote. It's what comes from years of brewing and drinking beer.
I still say that is real ale....

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Call it what you will what today is called 'real ale' bears no resemblance to the beautiful beer I grew up drinking and it never will. It still flat and very unappetizing to look at, like a glass of dish water.
But of course that's just my opinion, in now way a 'fact'!

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Originally Posted by uncle bob

I've just ordered 2 Crates of mixed Belgian beers from a website called Beerwulf. Free delivery. £85 for 36 strong Belgium triples ranging from 8%-12.5%
Absolute best beers on the planet

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Try Westmalle Bruin and St Bernardus.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I love proper German bier but buying it on line is no good to me because I never drink at home.

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Take it to someone else's house...

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Please, do tell us what useful information they passed on to you whilst drinking in those pubs? :hehe:

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How to lose ones virginity , plan City away raids , figure out how to grab a horse ride on fosters farm , ride motorbikes illegally ,go to Newport Speedway , go shooting where new build St Mellons is now , learn from seasoned drinkers how quick to drink Newcastle Brown / McEwan's Export in the White Hart, Bluebell served Albright eeek.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

So your post was not a quote, just straight out of your head. I commend you sir, you have a brilliant and well organised mind.

I haven't seen a good draught beer in 20 years that had a head like a pint of brains had. I'm not talking about bubbles, I mean a nice creamy head that lasts the life of the pint.
Like I said, its all as flat as a witches tit. (Did I say that?)
A sparkler on the pump just makes short lasting bubbles.
The beer I describe is not 'real 'ale, it is what used to be called 'draught' before all the rubbish started to be touted as the savior of beer. Like I said, I drink smooth because it gives me the creamy head that draught beer used to.

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Creamy head ?? Guinness ??

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Take it to someone else's house...

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Edinger in Head of Steam and other goodies

https://www.theheadofsteam.co.uk/bars/cardiff

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Creamy head ?? Guinness ??

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Guinness/ Beer? Stout?? you choose!! :frown:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Take it to someone else's house...

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Hahaha classic!

Got to be honest though, if I go to a pub that has nothing I like and I'm with mates or go for a meal it's truely awful not having anything you like. I won't hang around in that pub for more than one beer. Yuck

I have never understood the love of a head on a pint.

It usually mean the pub is charging for a half inch of frothy air. I know it's supposed to sit above the pint line on the glass - but how often does that happen?

I would rather a glass of good ale - without a covering of froth - that doesn't look or taste like dishwater, but tastes of its ingredients and craft and care. Real ale! For those up my neck of the woods that is Abbeydale Moonshine, Farmers' Blond and Thornbridge Brother Rabbit, Lord Marples or Jaipur. Proper beer - and no froth!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I have never understood the love of a head on a pint.

It usually mean the pub is charging for a half inch of frothy air. I know it's supposed to sit above the pint line on the glass - but how often does that happen?

I would rather a glass of good ale - without a covering of froth - that doesn't look or taste like dishwater, but tastes of its ingredients and craft and care. Real ale! For those up my neck of the woods that is Abbeydale Moonshine, Farmers' Blond and Thornbridge Brother Rabbit, Lord Marples or Jaipur. Proper beer - and no froth!

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I think it's a lot to do with what you're brought up with. I can remember the feeling of revulsion that came over me as I saw the flat as a witch's tit pint John Thaw was drinking in an early episode of Inspector Morse because it was so unlike anything I had encountered before.

I must have been about thirty at the time and had not moved away from the frothy head I'd always drunk at Brains pubs. Eventually, I did so and discovered that a frothy head was far from being a requirement of what makes a good pint of beer. Nevertheless, I never completely broke away from what I grew up with and if I was to start drinking again, I'd go for something like Brains, Boddingtons, Tetleys, Felinfoel etc.

Also, to answer the question posed in the OP - yes, defintely, I did it several times in my drinking days.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I have never understood the love of a head on a pint.

It usually mean the pub is charging for a half inch of frothy air. I know it's supposed to sit above the pint line on the glass - but how often does that happen?

I would rather a glass of good ale - without a covering of froth - that doesn't look or taste like dishwater, but tastes of its ingredients and craft and care. Real ale! For those up my neck of the woods that is Abbeydale Moonshine, Farmers' Blond and Thornbridge Brother Rabbit, Lord Marples or Jaipur. Proper beer - and no froth!

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You've hit on one of my major bugbears, the almost total eradication of oversized lined pint glasses and all to cheat punters of circa 5% of liquid with froth.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You've hit on one of my major bugbears, the almost total eradication of oversized lined pint glasses and all to cheat punters of circa 5% of liquid with froth.

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In the working mens clubs in the North East all the glasses are over-sized, and the Fed Beer is pumped from a glass 1/2 pint measure on the bar so you can actually see it's a full half pint before it is even poured into your glass. It's not a bad pint either

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I think it's a lot to do with what you're brought up with. I can remember the feeling of revulsion that came over me as I saw the flat as a witch's tit pint John Thaw was drinking in an early episode of Inspector Morse because it was so unlike anything I had encountered before.

I must have been about thirty at the time and had not moved away from the frothy head I'd always drunk at Brains pubs. Eventually, I did so and discovered that a frothy head was far from being a requirement of what makes a good pint of beer. Nevertheless, I never completely broke away from what I grew up with and if I was to start drinking again, I'd go for something like Brains, Boddingtons, Tetleys, Felinfoel etc.

Also, to answer the question posed in the OP - yes, defintely, I did it several times in my drinking days.

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That's exactly the point I am trying to make. I first saw beer being served like that in the south of England in 1967, it was the way beer was served down there and when the 'real ale' revolution' came about all the beer was suddenly like it because the so called revolution was S East driven.