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10-08-19, 09:21
surge

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

We were plucky though.

Maybe for Spurs away but unless Arsenal and Chelsea are no longer in the top 6 our performances weren't as bad as some making out. Issue was it never got us any points.
10-08-19, 09:24
Wolfmother

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Norwich are reported to have only spent £1.1m on transfer fees, bringing 8 players in, including 3 loans. That doesnt indicate to me that they are serious about staying up. Their defence was non existant. Pukki caused Liverpool some problems but Liverpool were playing with them in the second half. If they go on like that, they will be down by Christmas.

Let me help you there fella. They invested in their squad before going up. Developing their play and players. They have a tight group now with some good skill. Talking to one of their players, they have already targeted their matches, and they believe they can bite. They are treating matches like the Liverpool game as bonus. And they did win second half 1-0. So a few positives for them. But my point is. They have planned ahead.
10-08-19, 09:24
The Lone Gunman

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

I disagree with your idea that just because a team are European champions your average neutral fan would want to even watch them, let alone put a bunch of newcomers/no hopers to the sword.

You can disagree all you like, but the fact of the matter is that the TV companies screen the bigger clubs as often as possible because they comfortably draw the biggest audiences. Even a complete idiot should be able to work that one out.

Which of the following games, if screened last night, would have drawn the biggest audience do you think?

Liverpool v Norwich
Bournemouth v Sheffield Utd
Burnley v Southampton
Watford v Brighton

Go on, take a wild guess.....
10-08-19, 09:46
Trigger

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Let me help you there fella. They invested in their squad before going up. Developing their play and players. They have a tight group now with some good skill. Talking to one of their players, they have already targeted their matches, and they believe they can bite. They are treating matches like the Liverpool game as bonus. And they did win second half 1-0. So a few positives for them. But my point is. They have planned ahead.

Bit of spin really. Seems other clubs get away with it. Imagine the backlash on here if it was us.

I'd be almost certain they had targets over the summer and it didn't work out. Instead of panic buying they went with what they have, nothing wrong with that but I'd be amazed if they stayed up.
10-08-19, 10:03
dml1954

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Let me help you there fella. They invested in their squad before going up. Developing their play and players. They have a tight group now with some good skill. Talking to one of their players, they have already targeted their matches, and they believe they can bite. They are treating matches like the Liverpool game as bonus. And they did win second half 1-0. So a few positives for them. But my point is. They have planned ahead.

I agree. They have planned ahead - for relegation. If the last 18 months have taught us anything, it is that thinking a squad is good enough for the Premier League because it does well in the Championship is folly. No doubt Fulham thought the same. Norwich have got 8 new players, 5 on contract and 3 loans. Two of the contracted ones are under 19 and have already been shipped back out on loan to lower league clubs. Spending £1.1m on 3 players is ridiculous. They were embarassed yesterday defensively and it could easily have been 7-1. Well done for 'talking to one of their players' by the way - what would you expect him to say - ' we are shit and are going to be down by Christmas' !!
10-08-19, 10:19
the other bob wilson

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I agree. They have planned ahead - for relegation. If the last 18 months have taught us anything, it is that thinking a squad is good enough for the Premier League because it does well in the Championship is folly. No doubt Fulham thought the same. Norwich have got 8 new players, 5 on contract and 3 loans. Two of the contracted ones are under 19 and have already been shipped back out on loan to lower league clubs. Spending £1.1m on 3 players is ridiculous. They were embarassed yesterday defensively and it could easily have been 7-1. Well done for 'talking to one of their players' by the way - what would you expect him to say - ' we are shit and are going to be down by Christmas' !!

The problem I always have with you is that if City had gone up in the identical way as Norwich did, made identical signings as Norwich have and lost at Liverpool in exactly the same manner as Norwich did on the opening day of the season, the message that I'm quoting would have been completely and utterly different in tone and outlook - indeed, you would be disagreeing with and criticising strongly anyone who dared to post the same as you have just done.
10-08-19, 10:21
dembethewarrior

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Let me help you there fella. They invested in their squad before going up. Developing their play and players. They have a tight group now with some good skill. Talking to one of their players, they have already targeted their matches, and they believe they can bite. They are treating matches like the Liverpool game as bonus. And they did win second half 1-0. So a few positives for them. But my point is. They have planned ahead.

Was a great article posted on here last year about the work they’ve done, sending players out on loan to the right clubs etc so they develop how they want them to, I’d try and find it but I’m half dead with man flu so really can’t be arsed. Was a good read through.
10-08-19, 10:22
dembethewarrior

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The problem I always have with you is that if City had gone up in the identical way as Norwich did, made identical signings as Norwich have and lost at Liverpool in exactly the same manner as Norwich did on the opening day of the season, the message that I'm quoting would have been completely and utterly different in tone and outlook - indeed, you would be disagreeing with and criticising strongly anyone who dared to post the same as you have just done.

Spot on.

Blokes a joke.
10-08-19, 10:24
Butterwick Blue

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The problem I always have with you is that if City had gone up in the identical way as Norwich did, made identical signings as Norwich have and lost at Liverpool in exactly the same manner as Norwich did on the opening day of the season, the message that I'm quoting would have been completely and utterly different in tone and outlook - indeed, you would be disagreeing with and criticising strongly anyone who dared to post the same as you have just done.

Exactly
10-08-19, 10:27
Wolfmother

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I agree. They have planned ahead - for relegation. If the last 18 months have taught us anything, it is that thinking a squad is good enough for the Premier League because it does well in the Championship is folly. No doubt Fulham thought the same. Norwich have got 8 new players, 5 on contract and 3 loans. Two of the contracted ones are under 19 and have already been shipped back out on loan to lower league clubs. Spending £1.1m on 3 players is ridiculous. They were embarassed yesterday defensively and it could easily have been 7-1. Well done for 'talking to one of their players' by the way - what would you expect him to say - ' we are shit and are going to be down by Christmas' !!

I don’t know their squad. Don’t know much anyways. But he said they have been building for some time. And with talent who they think can step up. A long term plan on how they are playing and getting a tight group. He would know more about it than me, as he is one of their players who have been to premier league before. And probably more than you to. Read the other day they have a pretty good manager to? Time will tell I guess, and in my opinion they can take positives from the game yesterday.
10-08-19, 11:41
MacAdder

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

...the fact of the matter is that the TV companies screen the bigger clubs as often as possible because they comfortably draw the biggest audiences..

Well you've just proved my point. Plenty of scouse "supporters" far and wide providing their audience, along with many on their payroll.

What were you saying about complete idiots? :hehe:

BTW, I would go with Bournemouth v Sheff Utd
10-08-19, 11:48
dembethewarrior

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Well you've just proved my point. Plenty of scouse "supporters" far and wide providing their audience, along with many on their payroll.

What were you saying about complete idiots? :hehe:

BTW, I would go with Bournemouth v Sheff Utd

Newly promoted side and a fancied team. It’s a no brainier.

Had it been Man City and Sheff Utd they’d have picked that for last night.

I get it’s cool to hate scousers, much of it is funny as well, but you’re clutching here.
10-08-19, 12:00
WJ99mobile

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by City123

100%, most clubs can write off their games against the "Big 6"

I hate that attitude though as it’s what normalises the shit decisions given to the top 6 and it doesn’t get the fans even hoping for something.

The top 6 can be beaten in a blue moon but the media changes that mentality for not only the fans but the opponent
10-08-19, 12:48
Bobby Dandruff

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What's ironic about it?

As for teams from the Championship being talked up, that happened to Wolves. They did alright as I recall.

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone talking up Norwich. On the contrary, most of season previews I've read have had Norwich in the bottom three.

Maybe you missed the game last night as the pundits certainly were.
10-08-19, 12:50
Bobby Dandruff

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by City123

That post was true at the time, two goals have gone in since then

So probably posted in too much haste considering that they were 2-0 after only 19 mins!
10-08-19, 12:57
Bobby Dandruff

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

We were plucky though.

Exactly :-)

We would have won the Champions League if it had been (rightly) measured on pluckiness quotient.
10-08-19, 13:06
NYCBlue

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by City123

They've played very well, don't deserve to be behind

Losing at Anfield on the opening day doesn't put any kind of pressure on a newly promoted side

Played very well? They've looked OK at times and moved the ball a bit. But played well is a stretch. Played well for a team that doesn't belong in the EPL maybe.
10-08-19, 16:52
waynekerr55

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

2-O down already.

This reminds me of the classic days on CCMB.

Up there with "another career ruined by Dave Jones" :hehe:
17-08-19, 16:28
The Lone Gunman

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I agree. They have planned ahead - for relegation. If the last 18 months have taught us anything, it is that thinking a squad is good enough for the Premier League because it does well in the Championship is folly. No doubt Fulham thought the same. Norwich have got 8 new players, 5 on contract and 3 loans. Two of the contracted ones are under 19 and have already been shipped back out on loan to lower league clubs. Spending £1.1m on 3 players is ridiculous. They were embarassed yesterday defensively and it could easily have been 7-1. Well done for 'talking to one of their players' by the way - what would you expect him to say - ' we are shit and are going to be down by Christmas' !!

Wise words.
18-08-19, 02:51
kendoddsdadsdogsdead

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Sky have Friday night football.

If the game only game tonight was Newcastle Brighton they’d have shown that..

....bit of a Whoosh there..they choose the game they want to show and move it to the Friday night..in that order
24-08-19, 12:14
StraightOuttaCanton

Re: The pressures on Norwich

Their approach so far appears to be that they’re going to play on the front foot which is in stark contrast to us last season. They’re entertaining to watch, will probably concede a ton of goals but look like they’re going to score a few as well. Where as the armchair viewer may have avoided our games last season the Norwich games this season could be really good to watch
24-08-19, 12:34
Llandaff Blue

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What id give to have an approach like Norwich. Their football is miles ahead of what we have been served up
24-08-19, 12:42
thehumblegringo

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I agree. They have planned ahead - for relegation. If the last 18 months have taught us anything, it is that thinking a squad is good enough for the Premier League because it does well in the Championship is folly. No doubt Fulham thought the same. Norwich have got 8 new players, 5 on contract and 3 loans. Two of the contracted ones are under 19 and have already been shipped back out on loan to lower league clubs. Spending £1.1m on 3 players is ridiculous. They were embarassed yesterday defensively and it could easily have been 7-1. Well done for 'talking to one of their players' by the way - what would you expect him to say - ' we are shit and are going to be down by Christmas' !!

If you can be bothered to listen you will see massive differences on they were prepared and how we were 'prepared'.

I'm sure you'll end up thinking we were better equipped though!

https://youtu.be/eCleZxHgcEw

https://youtu.be/jw5WL5AMDq0
24-08-19, 12:56
City123

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

If you can be bothered to listen you will see massive differences on they were prepared and how we were 'prepared'.

I'm sure you'll end up thinking we were better equipped though!

https://youtu.be/eCleZxHgcEw

https://youtu.be/jw5WL5AMDq0

"They were embarassed yesterday defensively"

Is dml implying we weren't embarrassed defensively by Liverpool, United, Spurs etc?
24-08-19, 13:44
NYCBlue

Re: The pressures on Norwich

They looked good today. They already have 3 points and a win under their belt. And they just gave Chelsea a good game. I'd think I'd be feeling pretty good if I was a Norwich fan.
11-07-20, 13:38
LeningradCowboy

Re: The pressures on Norwich

Relegated.
12-07-20, 05:14
goats

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Relegated.

21 points too which is pretty woeful. Did we get 35 last year and generally get panned all year
12-07-20, 05:35
Trigger

Re: The pressures on Norwich

Down with a wimper, planned for relegation and that's what they got. I'm assuming their fans aren't happy at not even having any sort of go at it.

The difference between them and sheff United who did spend a bit is just amazing.
12-07-20, 06:36
the other bob wilson

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Once Pukki stopped scoring, Norwich had very little goal threat and their record with nine points to play for marks them down as one of the weakest Premier League teams of recent years. When I think back to their title win last season, it's home games where they were a goal down with very little time left that were turned into wins with scores like 3-2 and 4-3 which come to mind - that's not really the way sides that survive in the Premier League after a promotion are set up.
12-07-20, 11:38
Rjk

Re: The pressures on Norwich

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Once Pukki stopped scoring, Norwich had very little goal threat and their record with nine points to play for marks them down as one of the weakest Premier League teams of recent years. When I think back to their title win last season, it's home games where they were a goal down with very little time left that were turned into wins with scores like 3-2 and 4-3 which come to mind - that's not really the way sides that survive in the Premier League after a promotion are set up.

They have some real attacking talent, but without the solid foundation of a well drilled defence they were just too easy to pick off.

Players like Emi Buendia will definitely be sought after, probably by some of the biggest clubs in the premier league

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