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Not fit to be flown but did go elsewhere for repairs. The original engineer noted that the de-icing equipment wasn't functional. Whether subsequent repairs permanently fixed this issue will/should be investigated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
In all probability all the issues were fixed as the plane passed its annual inspection in November/December. Of course there is fixing and fixing via a botch. However without raising the aircraft no one will ever know.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanD
If a Jack ordered a new caravan for £13k, and the seller arranged it to be transported on a dodgy truck with a half blink truck driver who wasn’t insured- and when it was then involved in a crash and written off - would they still pay for the caravan.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Christ you’re lucky to get 1p in the £1 from them on a good day.
There's a lot of bollocks spoken in that thread but they're absolutely right in saying the club should give something to the family. Even if we're holding back on paying the transfer (which to be honest I wish we weren't doing) then a gesture to show that we'll look after his family would go a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toadstool
AAIB state they have enough footage to make it unnecessary to raise the aircraft. With the new CO details I presume they will review the footage and take it from there. They may be able to match up what repairs were made with records of those repairs. From reading the Mail article it sounds like the bill (£10,000) for repairs undertaken was less than that originally estimated. Parts for a 1984 aircraft might be hard to come by so something that "would do the job" may have been the case. I fear a bit of cost cutting may come into play, too. "Enough to get it through its MoT" thinking. This really is a sad combination of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
The aircraft hit the water at several hundred mph. At that speed hitting the water would have the same effect as hitting a layer of concrete, with excessive deceleration. Put it this way...a body is not what was out there. Even less after 8 months at sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Not all light aircraft have de-icing systems fitted, which may suggest that they are optional. One of the ways to defeat icing conditions is to climb to a higher altitude of around 25,000ft into commercial airspace, but the pilot didn't have the correct rating to take that course of action, hence he requested a decent to a lower altitude. However, the cause and timing of the carbon monoxide exposure is still unknown (to us), so all possible avoidance strategies may have been futile. It sounds like a case of whatever could go wrong, did go wrong on this flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanD
The levels of CO in his body would indicate that he had been breathing the gas for a while, that's not a quick snort of gas. He was still alive though when he hit the water as IIRC the cause of death was given as multiple injuries consistent with a crash. I think it's safe to assume that the pilot was exposed to the same levels - unless he had access to an alternative source of air, and went down with the plane. It's a tragedy all round and sounds like it was a series of errors/negligence compounded by the next one.
I think He asked if they could decrease the altitude because of clouds not a descent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You can't smell or taste carbon monoxide . You simply feel tired and go to sleep .
This re opens the possibility of foul play of course, since the inflow of carbon monoxide could have been engineered.
This aircraft did have de-icing equipment fitted according to the engineer who said it wasn't fit to fly (other than short distance for repairs). At that time the de-icing wasn't functioning. The aircraft then went to a second engineer who carried out repairs. Let's hope he did a good job to repair the malfunction. If not, the aircraft may have got through its annual inspection only to fly without de-icer functioning correctly. From memory, it has been reported that the aircraft log book went down with the plane. What happened regarding repairs and subsequent flights would certainly be of interest to AAIB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Who on earth would want to kill them?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Foul play? What a bizarre thing to say. Bit tasteless too tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
The point I was making is perhaps the de-icing system isn't part of the annual inspection, as it is an optional extra and not a requirement for light aircraft. Although you do need it if you want to fly IFR in icing conditions, it should be noted that the pilot requested a decent into warmer air when he met with such conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanD
Club Statement: 15/08/19
"Cardiff City Football Club agrees with calls to salvage the wreckage of the aircraft which crashed whilst transporting Emiliano Sala.
"The AAIB’s report raises significant questions and more detailed analysis must be done to establish what caused the accident and resulted in the loss of two lives.
"No blame should be attributed to anyone, until the final report is published."
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Originally Posted by delmbox
Perhaps you don't know that these things have to be considered when investigating a sudden death. It can't any longer be ruled out in light of this new information and whether or not you find it upsetting I can assure you that the police will be considering it, as in fact they did at an early stage.
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Originally Posted by goats
Well I don't know . You'll recall that Emilanos girlfriend was convinced that he'd been killed by the French Mafia. I do also happen to know that the French police were deeply suspicious at first due to the serious criminal associations of one of the figures involved in the transfer. I'm not going to name him here, but it was on that side of the channel and he's not a British national .
I was told by a French detective that they let it go because they couldn't see how it could have been done, but perhaps this changes things on that front.
I'm not saying that anything like that happened of course, merely that it throws a bit of a spanner into the works as far as ruling out foul play is concerned .
Nothing can be ruled out at the stage, especially after the latest surprising twist, but if we apply Occam's razor, I don't think we will be far off what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
I unfortunately saw the leaked photo of Sala, there wasn’t much left of the poor young mans body so the likelihood is that the pilots body was in a similar condition or even worse. Just awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanD
Were you discussing the case with a French detective involved in the Sala investigation - or some other French detective with no direct connection, but a detailed understanding of the police decision-making processes?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Told by a 'French Detective' oh come on....Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
:hehe:
I wonder if he'll give us more of a <strike>Clouseau</strike> clue who the detective was.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Even by his standards that's pretty shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Doesn't matter, he was French, they all know eachover and share all information on the specifics of a case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
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Originally Posted by jon1959
Actually I've got a reasonable understanding of that myself and for your information a lot of different people were investigating it
He had a berm😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Amazing who you meet at Morrisons checkout.
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
Yes, it's quite impossible that anyone could know or speak to a French detective isn't it ? That's impossible !
French detectives are only in films and on the news aren't they ?
Far too lofty and important to talk to the likes of us eh !
It makes me deeply sad that people have such a low opinion of themselves and their "place" that they don't think it's possible that anyone of any account would speak to them, then when someone does they can't cope with it and throw their own dung at the offending interloper .
Keep going.......Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
What? Wtf are you going on about, you spoke to a French detective? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Just someone I knew and we spoke about the matter. Wish I hadn't mentioned it here now.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
600 posts in a month Ronnie......my detective hat is on and something don’t smell right......Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Probably goat shit. Have they dited you out recently ?
Hey shall we get back to the matter and hand and try and avoid this becoming another Wales-Bales/RonnieBird show?