They stayed up. Which was the point. So it is relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
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They stayed up. Which was the point. So it is relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
If you want more recent examples then clubs like Burnley, Brighton, Watford, Swansea.etc.etc.etcQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Rubbish, they were all in the Premier League and survived for a season. In fact everyone who has played more than one season in the League have survived for at least one of them bar us - that's not me being cowardly, that's not me being disloyal, that's me simply stating a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Someone on my blog used the word "grateful" yesterday to describe the attitude of manager and some of those at the top of the club towards Premier League football last season - I've been using the term "plucky little Cardiff City" to describe the sentiment that the object of the exercise had been achieved in getting to the top flight and anything else was a bonus, but the effect is the same. We went down because, for the first two or three months of last season, the message coming out of Cardiff City Stadium was that it would be a miracle if we stayed up (e.g. our manager continually saying it would be the biggest achievement of his career if he kept us up) - by the time we realised that this was not the case, Brighton had got too far in front of us.
I'm pretty sure Blackpool only had one season in the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Bob, Blackpool only lasted one season under Holloway.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I agree to some extent that our very bad start to the season probably cost us but we did manage to haul ourselves out of the bottom 3 at various points. A combination of bad referring decisions and injuries to key players probably cost us our Premier place.
I think it's a somewhat tenuous argument, but the 'plucky little Cardiff' stuff is truly a mis-placed sentiment. A new stadium with an attendaces averaging over 30,000, a capital City voted frequently one the best places to live, and a billionaire owner. If you were looking for the criteria for success then we have it, except of course when it comes down to what really, really matters - the key personnel - manager/ owners etc, and following on from that the players. At the moment we're all fur coat and no knickers...Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Blackpool had one season in the prem but they gave it a damn good go compared to our two seasons.
They had 39 points (40 points stayed up) and scored 55 goals, earning a lot of plaudits along the way I seem to recall.
Yes, those are worthwhile comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The transfer committee consists of 4 people 3 of which, in my view, know very little about football. Those 3 probably determine the net budget with VT having the final say but who to sign will be down to one person only. If recruitment is shambolic, and there is no doubt that poor and expensive decisions have been made, then it is only down to one person.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I'm not trying to exonerate the manager, but who decided that we should recruit players in this way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
Probably because VT thought that he was being taken to the cleaners in previous transfers and he thought that a transfer committee might sort that problem. As a consequence it seems that the current arrangements allow for shambolic transfer recruitment but within budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
That is only one part of the jigsaw though StT...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve the Tea
Warnock has done magnificently in certain areas... he brought the fans together and brought the team together and brought a sense of team spirit.
You have to also concede though that his playing style is limited if you are to stay up and also there were cheaper players available who he ignored. Also I wonder if we miss out on players who worry about the game time they will get and the style of play we adopt
Signings we spent money on last season such as Reid, Cunningham and Smithies were hardly given game time... so it was wasted investment rather than lack of investment.
Also it is alarming that he has completely neglected the youth system and there is still no route for young players to make their way into the senior squad
We didn't have the weakest squad in the division, it's pretty obvious Huddersfield did and, for all of their spending, Fulham were shambolic defensively - they only got as close to us as they did because of a decent run after their relegation had been confirmed. Claims such as yours play right into the didn't we do well to get so close to staying up mentality that takes no account of facts such as the size of our average attendance last season - we should be on a par with clubs like Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton given our potential and doing better than teams such as Watford and Bournemouth, but as soon as we get close to doing so, we get all coy and have the football equivalent of a nose bleed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Our first choice XI was better than Huddersfield and Fulham last season, but we did have the weakest squad in the division - remember the subs bench at Fulham.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Sunderland had an average attendance of over 32,000 playing in League One last season. Leeds had an average attendance of over 34,000 and they haven't played in the Premier League for 15 years. It just doesn't matter in modern football.
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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
We had Josh Murphy and Bobby Reid on the bench that day.
Warnock chose Rhys Healey and Danny Ward to come on before them. Reid came on with 3 minutes to go and Murphy didn't appear at all!!
Brian Murphy was on the bench. Josh Murphy was left out of the matchday squad entirely because apparently he hadn't trained well in the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
What chance is there of Pack being fit tonight?
This sums up my thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Well that's even worse for such a must win gameQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
We were relegated because we could not score enough goals. Only one team score less than us and they finished rock bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
However, one team conceded more than us and stayed up because they scored 21 more goals which delivered 11 more points.
We didn't have a premier league striker at the start of the season, and the one we signed/were in the process of signing/never signed met an unfortunate fate. We were unlucky, but we were certainly not significantly worse than Burnley or Brighton. And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.
This again.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gifaffe
If VAR was in operation for the Chelsea game, the visitors would have been awarded a penalty within the first few minutes.
We would have had a penalty awarded every time we had a corner or a long throw into the area if VAR was in operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Possibly would have got into Europe then, provided someone could take penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
However, we are significantly worse than Burnley and Brighton now. What an utter debacle of club management; one step forward, nine steps back.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gifaffe
Almost certainly. Probably would have VAR'd our way to the very top. If only the club had had the foresight to remain in the EPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman