A dreadful team to watch

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Originally Posted by thehumblegringo

I praise it when it is done with purpose Dembe.

There is definitely a balancing act for them of course as if they go forward all guns blazing then we have pace in our front 3 to exploit them as we saw with our goal.

However I believe they never showed any adventure whatsoever.

Cairney was poor and Reed wasn't even interested in playing forward. They had 322 sideways passes and I reckon 300 came from Reed!

Arter was a waste of a name on their team sheet and they looked slow and ponderous.

I hate to say it but the two teams I have been impressed with this season are Leeds and Swansea. Swansea had to be careful not to over commit against Birmingham last week but got the balance right.

If people want to take last nights performance in isolation then that's up to them, but the summer's transfer activity has left us woefully unbalanced and unequipped.

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Sorry, I meant the style of play in general with the passing and moving players out of position, but yeah they were awfully slow, when done correctly it can be devastating. I found it hilarious to watch Parker in his post match interview as he defended it. He looked like he wanted to burst into tears.
I think the way we set up made them go side to side and effectively become ineffective..
We were definitely more of a threat on the front foot, but I agree our transfer dealings have set us back this season.

Our transfer dealings have been poor. However the ball retention should be better , cut out the head tennis and stop all these long throws.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.

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The only 'silver lining' is that Warnock has a bit of time to get this squad playing more effectively. It's nowhere near as good as the one that went up and I also feel a couple of players aren't really up for another season of Warnockball. What last night did show us was that whatever his failings in producing flowing football, his tactical or match strategy is usually spot. Last nigh Fulham huffed and puffed and in the 2nd half until the sending off were getting increasingly frustrated. However two seasons ago I think we would have got the winner - were are noticably weaker now with Glatzel instead of Zohore, no Gunnarson or Gruzic or Bamba to pop up and score, and unless the ball is going to end up at a City player's foot with the goal open wide, or a goalkeeping mistake like last night, I just cannot see us winning many games..

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

You're quite right, despite the angry replies. There's a group of people here with simplistic ideas about the game and you can't tell them differently because they'll just get nasty. I've never come across a football forum like this where so many people don't seem to like the team it's about.

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Totally agree with this. Its what I have been saying for the last four years. Its the same people all the time banging on about how useless Warnock is, our useless owner, the way the club is run, criticising individual players etc etc. Most of them don't even go to games. I saw a much improved performance last night, against a team tipped for promotion by many and most of the people having a go tipped us to lose heavily before the game. They must have all been very disappointed by the result.

Lack of goals is a worry.

The way things are going I can see Ralls be top goalscorer.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Sorry, but I'd call the way we set up negative.

I thought Fulham were a bit of a hotch potch with their slow passing style completely the wrong way to go when using two wingers - Parker obviously wants to make them more solid, but I dread to think what will happen to them if Mitrovic gets injured because it's hard to see where the goals would come from.

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That’s a fair opinion, but after a week of being negative towards Warnock myself I thought I’d be a little positive and look at it differently and suggest the way we set up made Fulham play the way they did. I thought Neil got his tactics right, but I can’t argue against it being called negative.

We stopped them playing and looked more of a threat than them when we got forward.

I think if we weren’t so ponderous with our passing at crucial moments and whyte wasn’t scared to get a cross in earlier we may have got the result.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Totally agree with this. Its what I have been saying for the last four years. Its the same people all the time banging on about how useless Warnock is, our useless owner, the way the club is run, criticising individual players etc etc. Most of them don't even go to games. I saw a much improved performance last night, against a team tipped for promotion by many and most of the people having a go tipped us to lose heavily before the game. They must have all been very disappointed by the result.

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Ugh, is it really only four years that you've been banging on with your one basic post (you always say the same thing)? It seems like decades to me.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The only 'silver lining' is that Warnock has a bit of time to get this squad playing more effectively. It's nowhere near as good as the one that went up and I also feel a couple of players aren't really up for another season of Warnockball. What last night did show us was that whatever his failings in producing flowing football, his tactical or match strategy is usually spot. Last nigh Fulham huffed and puffed and in the 2nd half until the sending off were getting increasingly frustrated. However two seasons ago I think we would have got the winner - were are noticably weaker now with Glatzel instead of Zohore, no Gunnarson or Gruzic or Bamba to pop up and score, and unless the ball is going to end up at a City player's foot with the goal open wide, or a goalkeeping mistake like last night, I just cannot see us winning many games..

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But we had five first team players missing and a number on the bench carrying knocks, so this is obviously having an effect. Also how you can say that we are weaker without Zohore is totally beyond me. Glatzel looks a good player and just needs a goal. He has worked harder and contributed more in the last six games than Zohore did over the previous 18 months.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

That’s a fair opinion, but after a week of being negative towards Warnock myself I thought I’d be a little positive and look at it differently and suggest the way we set up made Fulham play the way they did. I thought Neil got his tactics right, but I can’t argue against it being called negative.

We stopped them playing and looked more of a threat than them when we got forward.

I think if we weren’t so ponderous with our passing at crucial moments and whyte wasn’t scared to get a cross in earlier we may have got the result.

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All our wingers are slow with the cross. Its bizarre really when elsewhere on the pitch its got rid of quickly.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

But we had five first team players missing and a number on the bench carrying knocks, so this is obviously having an effect. Also how you can say that we are weaker without Zohore is totally beyond me. Glatzel looks a good player and just needs a goal. He has worked harder and contributed more in the last six games than Zohore did over the previous 18 months.

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Yeah, I can remember you saying that so often when Zohore was still at the club :hehe:.

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird

Fulham passed the ball in triangles between Mawson, Ream and Arter for large periods of the game constantly trying to probe us into going forward and leaving space in behind for them to attack Morrison and Flint. The fact we held our shape so well should be applauded because if we’d gone gung ho to press high up the pitch then we’d have been sliced apart.

The moaning from people like the OP (who gave up on the club a few years ago then suddenly came back last season if I remember rightly) is more painful than anything we watched last night.

The squad is pretty stretched atm, the last thing we needed was to go into the international break on the back of a defeat. 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses from the first six games isn’t brilliant and it’s far from dreadful either.

Last night’s game was no different to games like Derby, Millwall, Middlesbrough and Bristol City at home during the last Championship campaign. The ball didn’t fall for us last night though.

Had Glatzel’s header gone in or Morrison’s been tapped in then everyone would’ve been lining up to praise him.

Warnock has his faults (shock horror - he’s spent the majority of his career in the football league) - but having a pop at last night is just silly behaviour.

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Top post. Both teams were more than happy with a point and that's how it finished.

Fulham weren't good enough to create chances with their endless possession and we weren't good enough with the limited possession we did have. We aren't going to boss possession, that's clear from the last few years, even under previous managers. The constant moaning after each game is tiresome but each to their own.

Some just love a good moan and this is their avenue for it.

I had two screens on the go last night, and I'm sorry to say I was more attracted to the game in which Timo Werner scored a hattrick. I can't believe his release clause is only €30 million, and he is definitely worth a cheeky bid! So my advise is to find a neautral second team who play decent football. This will provide some much needed Yang to the Yin that is Warnockball.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

All our wingers are slow with the cross. Its bizarre really when elsewhere on the pitch its got rid of quickly.

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It is strange.

A cross from deep now and again wouldn’t be a bad thing

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Originally Posted by dml1954

But we had five first team players missing and a number on the bench carrying knocks, so this is obviously having an effect. Also how you can say that we are weaker without Zohore is totally beyond me. Glatzel looks a good player and just needs a goal. He has worked harder and contributed more in the last six games than Zohore did over the previous 18 months.

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Do you agree with Morrison taking long throws in attacking positions? Continuously launching long throws down the line looking to win the 2nd ball and against 10 men. The seemingly inability of players to bring the ball down and pass it rather than boot it hopefully or resort to head tennis

Some of the tactics are questionable and I question what ball work we do in training as so many players look uncomfortable on the ball.

This is a football forum. Its not all bad but where as there is a poster or 2 (probably known multi) who clearly doesn't like the club virtually all of us on here love the club and want us to succeed.

If you were watching Morrison launch it down the line and thought thats great then fair enough.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Ugh, is it really only four years that you've been banging on with your one basic post (you always say the same thing)? It seems like decades to me.

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At least I like the team I support and enjoy watching them play. Your 'message' hasnt changed much either over the same period by the way - at least I am consistent and have as much right to post on here as you do, as far as I know. Sorry if my liking of the club offends you and others. Hopefully gradually people are beginning to see through the continuous criticism by the same people all the time for what it is - a bunch of mainly armchair 'know alls' who cant bear the fact that we have has success in recent times.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

At least I like the team I support and enjoy watching them play. Your 'message' hasnt changed much either over the same period by the way - at least I am consistent and have as much right to post on here as you do, as far as I know. Sorry if my liking of the club offends you and others. Hopefully gradually people are beginning to see through the continuous criticism by the same people all the time for what it is - a bunch of mainly armchair 'know alls' who cant bear the fact that we have has success in recent times.

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Do you wake up and drop yourself on your own head from the top of the stairs every morning, or are you just a little bit thick?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Yeah, I can remember you saying that so often when Zohore was still at the club :hehe:.

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Glatzel has only been here a few weeks and arrived after Zohore left, so how could I possibly have said that before. :facepalm:

When I saw the title to this thread I genuinely thought that it referred to Fulham. There were periods of the game, even before the red card, when Fulham retained possession for what seemed an eternity simply by passing the ball around the back four and one or two midfielders. One particular period in the second half went on to such an extent that I thought that the crowd had fallen to sleep. 70% possession is all very well, but I thought Fulham were downright boring.

Then I saw the name of the OP.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Do you agree with Morrison taking long throws in attacking positions? Continuously launching long throws down the line looking to win the 2nd ball and against 10 men. The seemingly inability of players to bring the ball down and pass it rather than boot it hopefully or resort to head tennis.

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It was unwatchable. I'm starting to think that Tan is partly responsible for allowing it to happen. I can't see any decent players wanting to come here under the current regime.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Glatzel has only been here a few weeks and arrived after Zohore left, so how could I possibly have said that before. :facepalm:

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Jesus wept.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Do you wake up and drop yourself on your own head from the top of the stairs every morning, or are you just a little bit thick?

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Here we go with the personal insults - wondered how long it would take.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Why do you take others opinions so hard? Really isn’t any need for the condescending reply.

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SB started by saying "I don’t think the OP understands football that well if he doesn’t understand why we played like that last night."

Any reason you didn't pull him up on his condescending reply and reserved such comments for me?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Here we go with the personal insults - wondered how long it would take.

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It’s a serious observation

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

SB started by saying "I don’t think the OP understands football that well if he doesn’t understand why we played like that last night."

Any reason you didn't pull him up on his condescending reply and reserved such comments for me?

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Because he’s given an opinion, he’s come to the conclusion you don’t know a lot about football. That’s his opinion.

Nothing really condescending about it.

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Originally Posted by Grievous Angel

When I saw the title to this thread I genuinely thought that it referred to Fulham.

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Did you enjoy City's performance last night? Did you think the football they produced was decent?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Because he’s given an opinion, he’s come to the conclusion you don’t know a lot about football. That’s his opinion.

Nothing really condescending about it.

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Ah, OK.

I've come to the conclusion (long ago) that you're an idiot. Nothing condescending about that. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.

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In a nutshell, no positivity, nothing else to add.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Ah, OK.

I've come to the conclusion (long ago) that you're an idiot. Nothing condescending about that. Just my opinion.

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You’re welcome to it, no harm in having an opinion.

No wonder so many people have wanted to kick your face in on here over the years 😂

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

You’re welcome to it, no harm in having an opinion.

No wonder so many people have wanted to kick your face in on here over the years ��

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That's not a problem either. They've all been idiots, in my opinion.

As it happens, I've encountered far more decent people as a result of this message board over the years than idiots and have even become good friends with a few. The idiots are of no great consequence. Never have been, never will be.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That's not a problem either. They've all been idiots, in my opinion.

As it happens, I've encountered far more decent people as a result of this message board over the years than idiots and have even become good friends with a few. The idiots are of no great consequence. Never have been, never will be.

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There are some decent people on here. Great opinions too.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Did you enjoy City's performance last night? Did you think the football they produced was decent?

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No - I didn't enjoy the game at all, in fact I thought it was really poor all round, and the City haven't produced much "quality" football for quite a while now, but I would still rather watch quick direct football than a bore fest.

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Originally Posted by Grievous Angel

No - I didn't enjoy the game at all, in fact I thought it was really poor all round, and the City haven't produced much "quality" football for quite a while now, but I would still rather watch quick direct football than a bore fest.

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So would I, as long as 'quick direct football' doesn't equate to pumping hopeful long balls across the field to nobody in particular, giving away possession easily and frequently, wingers running up blind alleys before losing the ball or putting it out of play and relying on little more than set-pieces for goalscoring opportunities.

I would say when done right, Warnock football is as exciting as it comes. I love the sheer chaos and unpredictable nature of the counter attacking showing we have seen from a Warnock Cardiff. Much preferable to the sit and clap, footballs equivalent of paint by numbers, that teams like Man City can serve up.

When it’s bad, it’s really bad. Almost comparable with Sunday league.

We’re not always pretty but at least we have a plan. More so than most managers who just buy good players and expect them to just ‘work’.

Sometimes in this league you need something different. Our hoofball is ours.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Do you wake up and drop yourself on your own head from the top of the stairs every morning, or are you just a little bit thick?

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Im pretty certain DML its a wind up account. Has to be?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So would I, as long as 'quick direct football' doesn't equate to pumping hopeful long balls across the field to nobody in particular, giving away possession easily and frequently, wingers running up blind alleys before losing the ball or putting it out of play and relying on little more than set-pieces for goalscoring opportunities.

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Yes, I understand that we played badly - you've made that point very clearly. We obviously have have very different agendas when it comes to commenting on matters relating to Cardiff City. I know what mine is - I can only guess at yours.

Our goal was good....and er yeah that’s about it
Should have been two nil up going into half time.
Hey ho I used to watch Jack charlton’s Irish team so that was a nice bit of nostalgia that tribute act last night 😂

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

During his post-match interview with Sky last night, Sean Morrison was honest enough to admit that Cardiff's tactics against Fulham involved nothing more than "sitting back and trying to play on the counter-attack."

Meanwhile, Josh Murphy told Sky the pre-match plan had been "to frustrate the opposition and play more like a Neil Warnock team."

The way City set up, you could have been forgiven for thinking they were facing a top Premier League side in a cup game or playing away to a leading Championship team who were in top form, but they weren't.

Cardiff were playing at home against a Fulham side they had finished in front of during the last two league campaigns; a side who were abysmal for the majority of last season; a side with a rookie manager and a notoriously fragile defence; and a side who had already been beaten by Barnsley and Nottingham Forest this season. Nevertheless, Warnock's tactics were all about stopping the opposition rather than attempting to take them on.

After Harry Arter stupidly and deservedly got himself sent off, City had almost half an hour to press home their man advantage and try to play some proper football. However, they created just three chances during that time - a long range effort from Joe Ralls that went well wide, a tame header from Robert Glatzel that went even wider and another header from Sean Morrison that also missed the target.

The manager's reaction to gaining a man advantage was not to take off a defender or a defensive midfielder and bring on a second striker to play alongside the isolated Glatzel. Instead, he took off one ineffective winger and brought on another. The result was that his players spent most of the last half hour pumping aimless balls from one side of the field to the other while barely threatening the goal of a team who were clearly rattled and obviously far from great.

Cardiff City's football has been difficult to watch for much of Warnock's tenure, but this season his team looks especially grim. In recent months, I've highlighted how few draws the Bluebirds have been involved in during the last year or so. Their sequence of 53 games without a score draw was finally ended last night and it looks to me like there will be plenty more draws in the coming months.

Warnock told Sky's reporter after the match that he doesn't have a clue where his team will end up this season. To me, they already look mid-table bankers. They're nowhere near weak enough to be involved in a relegation scrap, but by the same token they don't appear to have either the quality or the ambition to get involved in the battle for promotion. Meanwhile, the football they play makes for utterly dreadful viewing.

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No mention of Fulham’s pointless passing around their own box, the only reason they even had so much possession. They need to split that statistic up, depending on which half the team is in....it’s almost pointless counting it good if it’s just back and fire between defenders and goalie.

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Originally Posted by Grievous Angel

Yes, I understand that we played badly - you've made that point very clearly. We obviously have have very different agendas when it comes to commenting on matters relating to Cardiff City. I know what mine is - I can only guess at yours.

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There's that word 'agenda' again. I mean, seriously, what is this perceived agenda? What is my 'agenda' supposed to be? What are you imagining? Indeed, what is your 'agenda'?

Like everyone else on here (although in some cases you have to wonder), I'm a football fan. I have been for most of my life. I watch a lot of football on TV. I go to matches occasionally, around seven or eight a season these days. I bet on football frequently. I often talk about football with my friends, colleagues and family, some of whom are City fans, some of whom aren't. I still take a close interest in the team I supported for almost forty years and go to watch it play now and then. I also try to catch any live TV games it's involved in, although I don't always manage that. And I post thoughts about the club and about football in general on a message board I've used for almost twenty years and where I have plenty of friends and acquaintances.

So what's my agenda, pray tell? And what is yours?

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That's not a problem either. They've all been idiots, in my opinion.

As it happens, I've encountered far more decent people as a result of this message board over the years than idiots and have even become good friends with a few. The idiots are of no great consequence. Never have been, never will be.

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You tend to find that people like to gob off far more on an mb than say if you bumped into them at the bar. Meek puppies they would be more like, maybe you should all meet up and discuss ccfc properly?:hehe:

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Originally Posted by goats

No mention of Fulham’s pointless passing around their own box, the only reason they even had so much possession. They need to split that statistic up, depending on which half the team is in....it’s almost pointless counting it good if it’s just back and fire between defenders and goalie.

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To be honest, I'm not greatly interested in Fulham or impressed by them. I don't have friends, family or colleagues who support Fulham and the only time I ever seen them play is either when they're playing Cardiff or occasionally when they're on TV (I did catch about half of their game against Huddersfield a couple of weeks ago). From what I can see, they aren't up to much, although they have a great goalscorer for this level in Mitrovic. With Parker at the helm, I'd be surprised if they finished higher than fifth or sixth at best.