English voters in Wales tilted it towards Brexit

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

So if you took your car to a garage and the expert said that there was a high degree of safety risk attached to not getting work done, would you just shrug your shoulders and say “it’s Project Fear, innit” and carry on?

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Personally, I always take my car to a mechanic my family, friends and I have been using for yrs, and is totally trustworthy.
If I didn’t know him, and had to use a random mechanic, then I wouldn’t trust the 1st one I went to. I’d get an opinion from at least 3.
There are experts out there, who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit will be nowhere near as bad as other experts are portraying.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Personally, I always take my car to a mechanic my family, friends and I have been using for yrs, and is totally trustworthy.
If I didn’t know him, and had to use a random mechanic, then I wouldn’t trust the 1st one I went to. I’d get an opinion from at least 3.
There are experts out there, who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit will be nowhere near as bad as other experts are portraying.

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Not many though: one at the last count, that loon Mitford.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

It’s not their fault they are brought up in an economic black spot. They are underprivileged and poor.

It’s no coincidence that when there was work in these areas the parents and grandparents of these same people we’re bright and socially and politically engaged people.

Example. Socialist and Communist groups from the valleys volunteered to support spanish republicans against franco. That type of conviction and willing to die for ideas is something most of us wouldn’t have the intestinal fortitude for nowadays.

Just saying that social circumstances are everything. These people aren’t born thick.

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its worth noting that known economic black spots breed a sort of neo socialism which might explain UKIP/Brexit appeal , they see their tough lives attacked even more , with eager Eastern Europeans taking low paid jobs, putting pressure on public facilities such as dentist ,schools ,housing and GP 's waiting times , deep down I don't think it sit's well with the traditional Labour voter in these poorer areas ,which may explain the UKIP/Brexit lash out voting . balance that with the Labour voter in the bigger cities , it doesn't seem to ring the same tune or feeling , in fact they are far more tolerant and excepting.

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Originally Posted by az city

It isn't "conjecture". It is the reasonable assessment of experts in each field.

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The WOMD debacle put me off expert views for life. It is too easy to manipulate any outcome that you want.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The WOMD debacle put me off expert views for life. It is too easy to manipulate any outcome that you want.

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I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

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You obviously don't know too much about "experts". It's not surprising really, since most people never question anything they say, because experts are very clever. It's the easiest way to fool the unthinking masses.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I am glad to see you finally admit that you only listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You obviously don't know too much about "experts". It's not surprising really, since most people never question anything they say, because experts are very clever. It's the easiest way to fool the unthinking masses.

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You come across as a bit of an expert on these things, I best ignore you.

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Originally Posted by lardy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Yorker cartoon nails 70% of what’s wrong with the world right now <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/recap?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#recap</a><a href="https://t.co/7RpfPYfNAG">https://t.co/7RpfPYfNAG</a> <a href="https://t.co/RhRHc9Firn">pic.twitter.com/RhRHc9Firn</a></p>&mdash; The Poke (@ThePoke) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePoke/status/1176116503466455040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Downloaded that for safe keeping.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

You come across as a bit of an expert on these things, I best ignore you.

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:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Downloaded that for safe keeping.

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You do love to stray off topic by becoming personal , back to the topic was it Welsh or English folk voting to leave, and do you think Labour MP's should respect and back thier constituencies voting intentions to leave .

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Originally Posted by lardy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Yorker cartoon nails 70% of what’s wrong with the world right now <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/recap?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#recap</a><a href="https://t.co/7RpfPYfNAG">https://t.co/7RpfPYfNAG</a> <a href="https://t.co/RhRHc9Firn">pic.twitter.com/RhRHc9Firn</a></p>&mdash; The Poke (@ThePoke) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePoke/status/1176116503466455040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Cartoon looks and sounds like today's voting behavours at the Labour party conference hall .

I was only talking to someone who is ten years older than me and has lived all of his life in the upper Rhondda Valley about the number of English people living here compared to when he was younger on the weekend - he told me there are far more living here now than there was.

I was sceptical about the conclusion reached by the title given to this thread when I first saw it, but if it is right that there are something like 150,000 English born over sixty five year olds living in the country and the leave majority was 82,000, it has to follow that they had a big impact in deciding the result in Wales if they voted along the lines that over 65s did nationally.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

You do love to stray off topic by becoming personal , back to the topic was it Welsh or English folk voting to leave, and do you think Labour MP's should respect and back thier constituencies voting intentions to leave .

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What the feck?

I hope lardy didn't take it personally that I have downloaded the cartoon because I thought it was funny???

You asked that question before just a few hundred times so here is the same answer. They are elected to do what they think is best not what they think everybody wants.

If MPs were supposed to just reflect their constituents views in parliament then we would have been hanging criminals for most of my life.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Cartoon looks and sounds like today's voting behavours at the Labour party conference hall .

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You are meant to read the words not just look at the picture...

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

You are meant to read the words not just look at the picture...

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Thanks .

I've got life long learning difficulties.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was only talking to someone who is ten years older than me and has lived all of his life in the upper Rhondda Valley about the number of English people living here compared to when he was younger on the weekend - he told me there are far more living here now than there was.

I was sceptical about the conclusion reached by the title given to this thread when I first saw it, but if it is right that there are something like 150,000 English born over sixty five year olds living in the country and the leave majority was 82,000, it has to follow that they had a big impact in deciding the result in Wales if they voted along the lines that over 65s did nationally.

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If that's the case why hasn't that transposed into Tories otes in other elections .

I just don't buy this theory.

Traditional Labour voters voted Brexit for specific reasons .

My place of employment is valley based manufacturing type industry , wall to wall Labour , 200 plus employed from Ponty and beyond , all Welsh , they heavily voted Brexit , and will do again.

The then went back to labour for the GE .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

If that's the case why hasn't that transposed into Tories otes in other elections .

I just don't buy this theory.

Traditional Labour voters voted Brexit for specific reasons .

My place of employment is valley based manufacturing type industry , wall to wall Labour , 200 plus employed from Ponty and beyond , all Welsh , they heavily voted Brexit , and will do again.

The then went back to labour for the GE .

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Because it doesn't automatically follow that all English Brexit voters are/were tories. What is there not to get about a logic which says that English over 65s tended to vote a certain way in 2016, there are, apparently something like 150,000 such voters living in Wales where there was an 82,000 Leave majority, so those older English voters must have had a big impact on the outcome?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Because it doesn't automatically follow that all English Brexit voters are/were tories. What is there not to get about a logic which says that English over 65s tended to vote a certain way in 2016, there are, apparently something like 150,000 such voters living in Wales where there was an 82,000 Leave majority, so those older English voters must have had a big impact on the outcome?

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See I have this trouble view of seeing these elite retired English over 65's, reading their daily mail , going to jumble sales and voting Tory , I will have to re - align my thought process .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Thanks .

I've got life long learning difficulties.

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Sorry by the way, if that's true, I take back any inappropriate comments I have made. I think youre making a great effort to express yourself even if I don't always agree with your point of view. Good on you 👍

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Originally Posted by life on mars

See I have this trouble view of seeing these elite retired English over 65's, reading their daily mail , going to jumble sales and voting Tory , I will have to re - align my thought process .

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He didn't mention the word elite.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

He didn't mention the word elite.

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ooops sorry welsh living ,old Tories, who are probably elite

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Originally Posted by life on mars

ooops sorry welsh living ,old Tories, who are probably elite

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He didn't say that either.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

He didn't say that either.

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no i did

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Originally Posted by life on mars

no i did

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Resorted to arguing with yourself now?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Resorted to arguing with yourself now?

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well i got you following my every word .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

well i got you following my every word .

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I'm hooked

Touching story
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jpiinks/s...878043649?s=19

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Touching story
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jpiinks/s...878043649?s=19

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Brilliant! Take that Farage you jerk! I loved one of the comments just below it..."I suspected something was amiss from the start because the guy appeared able to string a whole sentence together" 😂

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Sorry by the way, if that's true, I take back any inappropriate comments I have made. I think youre making a great effort to express yourself even if I don't always agree with your point of view. Good on you ��

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I've never noticed LOM having much difficulty expressing himself, but in the spirit of your post, I must say that you are dong really well too Dorcas. It's truly heartwarming to read your posts and long may you continue to join in.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

I've never noticed LOM having much difficulty expressing himself, but in the spirit of your post, I must say that you are dong really well too Dorcas. It's truly heartwarming to read your posts and long may you continue to join in.

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Thank you Ronnie.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Thank you Ronnie.

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Thank you both , were all gods children and we need to love one another and respect and tolerate ones differences .