Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala

The club are asking for clarification on a statement? I find it hard to believe the first the club knew of the decision was the statement, and if it is then fifa just keep on giving.

It's a shit show, most clubs couldn't afford to just take a hit of 15m for a player who didn't kick a ball for them but all those clubs fans will demand we should, including near neighbours who have been happy when their clubs have scammed local businesses.

I wish we could have but appreciate we can't, particularly if there are valid reasons.

The club was never coming out of this well. I don't think nantes have at all acted well either. Salas family have been through so much yet keep their dignity. It's such a shame that for them this will drag on a while longer.

The one thing we do know, is that if we do end up paying in full, Tan will go after McKay.

I have always felt that Cardiff have held back their transfers in the close season based on the outcome of this unfortunate enquiry.
They now have to decide to take out through the courts at an additional legislative costs of pay up.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I understand why you see it that way and there is a financial logic to it, it's just after all the "once a bluebird, always a bluebird" and posing with the shirt etc it's pretty gross to see two clubs arguing the smallprint of a "commodity" and I wish we'd paid the fee that we were committed to paying. Or even better paid most and of it and donated a part of it to his family.

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As harsh as this sounds it’s business, and at the end of the day if he wasn’t our player then we shouldn’t pay. Harsh but true.

I’m sure his family will get money.

Why do you wish we’d paid it? So we don’t look bad? Not often anyone leaves these situations looking good, both sides had valid arguments. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

The one thing we do know, is that if we do end up paying in full, Tan will go after McKay.

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And willy apparently said he will kill everyone at the club if his boys get brought up into it

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Kept quiet? You're joking, right?

I've no idea whether City are legally obliged to pay the fee or not, but one thing the club hasn't done is kept quiet. Indeed, rather than keep quiet as they should have done, they've made a series of unnecessary statements about the situation as it has developed.

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I can't remember every statement made by the club but my recollection was that they have been fairly restrained. They have normally only made a press statement when news stories or widespread public speculation demanded some sort of response.

The three main messages that have come out of the club since the tragedy are: shock and grief at the deaths and concern for the families; a need to totally overhaul the way the private jet system works and calling for more controls and regulation; and finally on the fee - the club needed to understand the legal/contractual position better but would pay what it was required to pay once that had been resolved.

The club get things wrong, but not so much in recent years. On this I think they have got it mostly right.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

And willy apparently said he will kill everyone at the club if his boys get brought up into it

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Everyone????? Are we fans safe? This could get messy!

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Originally Posted by Trigger

The club was never coming out of this well. I don't think nantes have at all acted well either.

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Why not? What have Nantes done wrong?

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

The one thing we do know, is that if we do end up paying in full, Tan will go after McKay.

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What’s Malky done now?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I can't remember every statement made by the club but my recollection was that they have been fairly restrained. They have normally only made a press statement when news stories or widespread public speculation demanded some sort of response.

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You think really this statement was necessary?

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...tement-2502192

Or the one quoted here?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...t-out-16054313

What value do such statements have?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You think really this statement was necessary?

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...tement-2502192

Or the one quoted here?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...t-out-16054313

What value do such statements have?

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Neither of them relate to the fee, do they? They've not got involved with the tit for tat that Nantes tried to involve the club in. Also, when the news comes out about the pilot etc, I don't think the club can say nothing.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Neither of them relate to the fee, do they? They've not got involved with the tit for tat that Nantes tried to involve the club in. Also, when the news comes out about the pilot etc, I don't think the club can say nothing.

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What have Nantes actually said publicly prior to today? What 'tit for tat' have they attempted to involve the club in?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Neither of them relate to the fee, do they?

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You think they're unconnected?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What have Nantes actually said publicly prior to today? What 'tit for tat' have they attempted to involve the club in?

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https://www.theguardian.com/football...-emiliano-sala

Nantes demanded the fee after a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You think they're unconnected?

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After the reports come out, do you think the club can say nothing?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Nantes demanded the fee after a few weeks.

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Indeed they did. But how on earth does Nantes requesting a payment they believed they were legally overdue for a player they had sold to Cardiff equate to them attempting to involve City in 'tit for tat'? To me, it suggests they were attempting to get paid.

Remember, it was Cardiff City who announced to the world that they had signed Sala subject to international clearance, and there's never been any suggestion that the clearance wasn't forthcoming:

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...-is-a-bluebird

Until today, I honestly can't recall reading a single thing in the press from Nantes regarding the Sala business other than their initial statements after he'd gone missing. However, Cardiff have made plenty of noise about it. Indeed, the Chairman was talking to the French press within days.

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Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue

This is what I thought.

Let’s pay what we have to, and sue McKay if our insurance (I’m assuming we have some) doesn’t pay out.

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Not a lot of point in pursuing Willie McKay for money as he is an unduscharged bankrupt under a bankruptcy restriction order until at least 2023.

The only hope of him being punished is in a criminal case under two options

1. He is due back in court shortly to try and defend a criminal claim against him for breaches of his bankruptcy

2. There may possibly in future be manslaughter charges relating to involvement in the plane crash

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

After the reports come out, do you think the club can say nothing?

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Of course they could have said nothing. To me, that would have been the wisest and most dignified thing to do.

What did City gain by releasing the statements they did? What did those statements achieve?

But isn't there also the problem of the usual add-ons to contracts like a part being payable after so many games and/or part payable if we didn't get relegated etc?
Things like this wiould affect the final cost shirley?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But isn't there also the problem of the usual add-ons to contracts like a part being payable after so many games and/or part payable if we didn't get relegated etc? Things like this wiould affect the final cost shirley?

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They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.

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I would have thought it went without saying that any appearance bonuses would probably be null and void.

I’d be surprised if Nantes started asking for them aswell to be honest.

The crucial matter is who’s player he was, if he was ours then we have to pay Nantes the transfer fee. Even Cardiff seem to accept that as the point they seem to be arguing is he wasn’t our player when the flight took off.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.

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So I presume FIFA's ruling [ or is it an opinion], hasn't taken the full contract details into consideration. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be a 'football' decision, more likely a point of contract law/ownership decided by lawyers specializing in this field, which is ultimately where any insurance underwriters will place their judgement..

First and foremost RIP Sala.
But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
Would we and he be insured for that ?
Would the club get an insurance pay out?

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Originally Posted by insider

First and foremost RIP Sala.
But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
Would we and he be insured for that ?
Would the club get an insurance pay out?

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Yes clubs are insured against that.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Yes clubs are insured against that.

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Similarly if a player died as a result of an injury, playing or training. But it's whether insurance extends to death outside the 'workplace., or perhaps to an illness. No doubt we'll all be to the wiser in the coming months -or years [!] ..

It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashton’s career was ended in England training.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashton’s career was ended in England training.

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West Ham did get money though - they sued the FA, Chelsea and Wright-Phillips.

So taking that into account we should sue the Pilot, the Firm the Pilot was working for and the People who arranged the flight ( which maybe the agent rather than the bankrupt McKay - let him sue his dad ).

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Of course they could have said nothing. To me, that would have been the wisest and most dignified thing to do.

What did City gain by releasing the statements they did? What did those statements achieve?

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Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.

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This is a balanced and appropriate response that considers a wider array of variables. Unfortunately there are a few, apparently quite articulate, people on here who when they get into a debate (I’m being kind here) seem to find it rather difficult to see anyone else’s perspective no matter how rational.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.

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Let’s hope McKay ends up where he deserves....it’s a bit of an insight into the murky agent world, not good really. Some really horrible people out there.....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.

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Yes, that is my point. the stated 15M may include those things which for example by dint of non appearance would be void. So rather than clarify anything the FIFA staement compounds the confusion.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

As harsh as this sounds it’s business, and at the end of the day if he wasn’t our player then we shouldn’t pay. Harsh but true.

I’m sure his family will get money.

Why do you wish we’d paid it? So we don’t look bad? Not often anyone leaves these situations looking good, both sides had valid arguments. It is what it is.

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I wish we'd paid it because of these

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He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.

I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

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He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.

I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.

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Agreed but what if they’ve been advised whoever is supposed to pay will be insured anyway?

Would be a bit stupid to pay if Nantes still owned him and could claim the cash through insurance.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.

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By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?

We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.

I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?

We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.

I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.

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I think you are being very unfair to the club. As you say this was a unique situation and to a large extent the club has had to be guided by solicitors and insurance companies. I think they have done a decent job in these terrible circumstances.
From press reports the club has helped the family financially and were present at the funeral.

We have appealed to the c a s

Pretty grim this. Whether we are right to appeal or not, the fact 9 months later this is being played out in public is horrible.

Horrible situation which should be done in private but will no doubt continue to be in the news until fully settled.

It looks terrible on Cardiff as a club but all other clubs our size where £15M really matters would do the same. Money talks and ultimately Cardiff is a business.

Cardiff are currently trying to get out of paying the money in the first place. If this falls through, they'll no doubt look at insurance and sueing.

Total tragedy. Would love to have seen him play. RIP.

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Horrible situation which should be done in private but will no doubt continue to be in the news until fully settled.

It looks terrible on Cardiff as a club but all other clubs our size where £15M really matters would do the same. Money talks and ultimately Cardiff is a business.

Cardiff are currently trying to get out of paying the money in the first place. If this falls through, they'll no doubt look at insurance and sueing.

Total tragedy. Would love to have seen him play. RIP.

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It will have come through the insurers. We're either not covered, or they're wanting us to go down every avenue first.

Very grim viewing.
We are not being shown in a good light at all.
Emiliano’s poor family.

As Delmbox says, as far as I’m concerned, he was our player and I bet Warnock would say the same if asked.