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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Look at the title of the thread. You didn't just post a video...
Stop getting so angry.
The title of the thread is still consistent with what I've said muppet
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
The post is about how OP would like to see us run.
I don’t see anything about spending big bucks or getting into more debt.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
I'm afraid Nathan Blake has a point when he says that we may as well accept what we're getting now while this manager is in charge - if there is a "plan" in place at Cardiff, it only lasts until the end of this season when, we're told, Neil Warnock will retire.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
I would agree that football in this country is moving away from the football manager being in full control of the football club and running every aspect to a more continental method where directors of football are employed to cover some aspects of the club where the manager runs effectively as a head coach and manages within the structure afforded to him.
Going forward this would be something i would support, as why do we believe that a football manager, usually a former player will have all the necessary skills to run a football club, from identifying and signing players, to setting up training, to motivate players, to dealing with contracts. It seems obvious that different individuals will be better at different aspects of managing.
It was interesting to hear from that interview that despite many clubs using the technical director many clubs use them in many differing ways, where some may solely employed in the identifying and signing of players, and other may be employed in existing player development and the academy, where as some may be employed in a financial viewpoint. In this case the individual was impressed because the role was more encompassing than roles offered at other clubs.
You have to remember that talk is cheap in this regards, we have heard of the Transfer Dossier under MM, the transfer committee under the present regime, and the Cardiff Way under Trollope, all process that can be lauded by the fans when they go well, but look a bit stupid when they go flat.
I don't think anyone would argue that Cardiff would benefit from an improvement in its football management structure. The questions about a technical director shouldn't be whether we need one, more like what role would we like one to take. Then you need to identify the individual, by appointing the wrong individual the proposed structure will not work.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Leicester have done very well. They do have more of a history of being a top flight team though than the others I mentioned.
I just think posters on here should appreciate what you have. A nice stadium, decent gates, a chairman who despite his faults has stuck it out, a manager who has you highly competitive at this level, two recent promotions to the top flight, a League Cup Final in recent times etc
I understand the frustration at the playing style and lack of Academy boys coming through but overall surely the positives outweigh the negatives.
You always seem to come on here and tell Cardiff fans what they should and shouldn’t be happy with, it’s so patronising.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Llandaff Blue
You always seem to come on here and tell Cardiff fans what they should and shouldn’t be happy with, it’s so patronising.
When are Cardiff fans ever happy?
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
The title of the thread is still consistent with what I've said muppet
You want us run like that and your evidence that it would create value for money is one transfer window and a handful of games.
You should stop being so personal when people disagree with you.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
When are Cardiff fans ever happy?
I just don’t think it’s that bad right now. It’s been a lot worse for Cardiff over many years than it is these days.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
You want us run like that and your evidence that it would create value for money is one transfer window and a handful of games.
You should stop being so personal when people disagree with you.
Give over mate, you were attributing to me stuff I never even said. I explained what I was saying yet you still fired the same nonsense back at me. Don't pretend to be the victim
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
You always seem to come on here and tell Cardiff fans what they should and shouldn’t be happy with, it’s so patronising.
It’s not meant that way. I have always followed Cardiff admittedly from a distance and remember some very dark days for the club especially in the 90’s when the club really had no money and were playing in the old fourth division. By comparison the club is in a much better place these days.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
Fecking unbelievable to read people moaning about Warnock and Cardiff city in general after the shite we have had to endure for generations
We are now an established championship side and with a couple of wins will be right back in the mix
It would be funny if the posters were joking
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Fecking unbelievable to read people moaning about Warnock and Cardiff city in general after the shite we have had to endure for generations
We are now an established championship side and with a couple of wins will be right back in the mix
It would be funny if the posters were joking
Why can't people be happy that the club have come a long way while also pointing out the club don't seem to have a long term plan?
Our academy isn't producing any players and we've got at best a hit and miss approach to transfers. Are we not allowed to talk about this because we were really shit 20 years ago?
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Why can't people be happy that the club have come a long way while also pointing out the club don't seem to have a long term plan?
Our academy isn't producing any players and we've got at best a hit and miss approach to transfers. Are we not allowed to talk about this because we were really shit 20 years ago?
How the feck do we know what sort of plan the club has ?
It wasn't that long ago we shelled out money big time on a striker who probably would have kept us up but he sadly died in terrible circumstances
Now it's ten games in and turned into have a go at Warnock and the club time
Cardiff fans are a breed apart
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
It’s not meant that way. I have always followed Cardiff admittedly from a distance and remember some very dark days for the club especially in the 90’s when the club really had no money and were playing in the old fourth division. By comparison the club is in a much better place these days.
It's perfectly possible that City have supporters that first saw us play when they were less than ten years old and are now taking their children to matches who have never seen us play at a lower level than the Championship though Pearcey - things have moved on an awful lot since the nineties and the way football is now, you need to be constantly progressing to maintain your position. Neil Warnock and the money men deserve so much credit for getting us a promotion against all odds in 17/18, but in the eighteen months since then, we've just drifted in my opinion and this means that, in effect, we've gone backwards. There was no disgrace in being relegated last season, but we played like we did not believe we could stay up for the first couple of months of the season and that's what cost us.
It's as if those in charge on the playing side are happy to see us as "plucky little Cardiff City" when we've earned the right to be more than that. This is the time when plans should be put in place for the club to go forward, be ambitious and do what they can to ensure those younger supporters don't have to see lower league football for the first time, because if we keep on pottering about in mid table playing boring football, we are going to sell an awful lot less season tickets come the spring and our parachute payments will soon run out.
Where your club differs from ours is that you actually have an Academy which produces first team footballers - we stopped doing that almost a decade ago and our lack of any discernible plan or philosophy is not just about our chances of getting back in the Premier League being affected, it's about us not being in a position to cope better if we have to go back to being a mid to lower end Championship side where money is tight and there's a realistic chance of going back where we were twenty odd years ago.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
It’s not meant that way. I have always followed Cardiff admittedly from a distance and remember some very dark days for the club especially in the 90’s when the club really had no money and were playing in the old fourth division. By comparison the club is in a much better place these days.
I find this sort of thing astonishing. What possible relevance does what happened in the 1990's have to how the football club is today? You might as well quote the 1920's. It makes about as much sense.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
How the feck do we know what sort of plan the club has ?
It wasn't that long ago we shelled out money big time on a striker who probably would have kept us up but he sadly died in terrible circumstances
Now it's ten games in and turned into have a go at Warnock and the club time
Cardiff fans are a breed apart
I don't think anyone is having a go, just saying it would be good if the club had a clear path to the first team for youth team players and didn't buy players like tomlin, cunningham etc who don't fit into the side.
I like Warnock and happy that he's still here. That doesn't mean I think the club are getting everything 100% right. And just because people are talking about areas the club could improve doesn't mean they think the club are 100% wrong.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I find this sort of thing astonishing. What possible relevance does what happened in the 1990's have to how the football club is today? You might as well quote the 1920's. It makes about as much sense.
To provide a sense of perspective. Things could be a lot worse than they are right now. They have been in my lifetime. They improved during the turn of the century and the club have been on an upward path since. The club had gone down a bit following relegation but nothing too severe.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
It's perfectly possible that City have supporters that first saw us play when they were less than ten years old and are now taking their children to matches who have never seen us play at a lower level than the Championship though Pearcey - things have moved on an awful lot since the nineties and the way football is now, you need to be constantly progressing to maintain your position. Neil Warnock and the money men deserve so much credit for getting us a promotion against all odds in 17/18, but in the eighteen months since then, we've just drifted in my opinion and this means that, in effect, we've gone backwards. There was no disgrace in being relegated last season, but we played like we did not believe we could stay up for the first couple of months of the season and that's what cost us.
It's as if those in charge on the playing side are happy to see us as "plucky little Cardiff City" when we've earned the right to be more than that. This is the time when plans should be put in place for the club to go forward, be ambitious and do what they can to ensure those younger supporters don't have to see lower league football for the first time, because if we keep on pottering about in mid table playing boring football, we are going to sell an awful lot less season tickets come the spring and our parachute payments will soon run out.
Where your club differs from ours is that you actually have an Academy which produces first team footballers - we stopped doing that almost a decade ago and our lack of any discernible plan or philosophy is not just about our chances of getting back in the Premier League being affected, it's about us not being in a position to cope better if we have to go back to being a mid to lower end Championship side where money is tight and there's a realistic chance of going back where we were twenty odd years ago.
I fully understand that Paul but look where we are currently in the table. We are embarking on yet another relegation battle.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
To provide a sense of perspective. Things could be a lot worse than they are right now. They have been in my lifetime. They improved during the turn of the century and the club have been on an upward path since. The club had gone down a bit following relegation but nothing too severe.
To put things in perspective, the club was very well-established in the Championship, in a brand new stadium and averaging crowds of 20,000+ when it's current billionaire owner took control. The Nineties were a total irrelevance then and they are now.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
To put things in perspective, the club was very well-established in the Championship, in a brand new stadium and averaging crowds of 20,000+ when it's current billionaire owner took control. The Nineties were a total irrelevance then and they are now.
Yes and you had a shedload of debt too. You are financially far more stable as a club now than pre Tan.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Yes and you had a shedload of debt too. You are financially far more stable as a club now than pre Tan.
That's a matter for debate.....
Regardless, the fact of the matter is that the club has been in either the Championship or the Premier League for the last 17 seasons. Indeed, the last time it finished in the bottom half of the Championship was 2006/07! Nevertheless, people still talk about the 1980's and 1990's in an attempt to deflect attention from the club's current situation. I just don't understand it.
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Ah, the old, you used to be shit so you should be grateful regardless bollocks. What a load of codswallop.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
That's a matter for debate.....
Regardless, the fact of the matter is that the club has been in either the Championship or the Premier League for the last 17 seasons. Indeed, the last time it finished in the bottom half of the Championship was 2006/07! Nevertheless, people still talk about the 1980's and 1990's in an attempt to deflect attention from the club's current situation. I just don't understand it.
Ok. So you are saying the club are under-achieving?
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Ok. So you are saying the club are under-achieving?
I'd say it's too early in the season to be sure that's the case, but it looks that way at the moment.
What gets me is this continual desire people have to look back to a period that is now a total irrelevance in the same way that the 1970's and the 1960's are a total irrelevance. In a post about Warnock's abysmal brand of football last week, one contributor started wittering on about FA Cup tries against Enfield and Hayes! He was talking about a club that ended last season with a Premier League victory at Old Trafford!
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
That's a matter for debate.....
Regardless, the fact of the matter is that the club has been in either the Championship or the Premier League for the last 17 seasons. Indeed, the last time it finished in the bottom half of the Championship was 2006/07! Nevertheless, people still talk about the 1980's and 1990's in an attempt to deflect attention from the club's current situation. I just don't understand it.
You don't understand it because unlike me , you are dull
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Ok. So you are saying the club are under-achieving?
I'd say we aren't building on a very good opportunity. We are standing still in terms of youth development, player acquisition and planning for the next manager.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
How the feck do we know what sort of plan the club has ?
It wasn't that long ago we shelled out money big time on a striker who probably would have kept us up but he sadly died in terrible circumstances
Now it's ten games in and turned into have a go at Warnock and the club time
Cardiff fans are a breed apart
You only have to look at the manager, the academy, the suits that all happy clap in public etc to see the club has **** all plan.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Ah, the old, you used to be shit so you should be grateful regardless bollocks. What a load of codswallop.
Would be funny if he was joking.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
Give over mate, you were attributing to me stuff I never even said. I explained what I was saying yet you still fired the same nonsense back at me. Don't pretend to be the victim
I'm not a victim, it just can't be good for you to be so aggressive. Got to think about your heart.
Reality is you have no proof any of what they have done will work. Before Leicester won the league nobody thought that kind of football could ever win anything again. Sometimes you have to be opportunistic in sport and play to your own strengths at that point in time.
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When Cardiff got relegated last season Dalman said the club should have begun to plan for the Premier League much earlier than they did. Given the potential rewards on offer for maintaining Premier League status this admission was a poor reflection on him and those running the club.
But we’re told there’s still no need for a Technical Director / Director of Football or anyone at board level who knows what they’re doing regarding football decisions. Then there’s the manager who’s looking to retire in 7 months. So we’ll go forward with VT in Malaysia, Dalman in Monaco and Ken sparing us what time he has when not running H R Owen. Sadly our potential will never be realised if we carry on like this.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
It's perfectly possible that City have supporters that first saw us play when they were less than ten years old and are now taking their children to matches who have never seen us play at a lower level than the Championship though Pearcey - things have moved on an awful lot since the nineties and the way football is now, you need to be constantly progressing to maintain your position. Neil Warnock and the money men deserve so much credit for getting us a promotion against all odds in 17/18, but in the eighteen months since then, we've just drifted in my opinion and this means that, in effect, we've gone backwards. There was no disgrace in being relegated last season, but we played like we did not believe we could stay up for the first couple of months of the season and that's what cost us.
It's as if those in charge on the playing side are happy to see us as "plucky little Cardiff City" when we've earned the right to be more than that. This is the time when plans should be put in place for the club to go forward, be ambitious and do what they can to ensure those younger supporters don't have to see lower league football for the first time, because if we keep on pottering about in mid table playing boring football, we are going to sell an awful lot less season tickets come the spring and our parachute payments will soon run out.
Where your club differs from ours is that you actually have an Academy which produces first team footballers - we stopped doing that almost a decade ago and our lack of any discernible plan or philosophy is not just about our chances of getting back in the Premier League being affected, it's about us not being in a position to cope better if we have to go back to being a mid to lower end Championship side where money is tight and there's a realistic chance of going back where we were twenty odd years ago.
I'd put it more like this ; A couple of months ago we were a Premier League club in a new stadium, a 'vibrant' capital city, averaging 31,000 fans. And we have an academy, and transfer policy of a 4th tier club. We have a thin veneer of success with little of substance beneath...
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Pearcey3
Ok. So you are saying the club are under-achieving?
The problem as i see it is that as a club we lack skills in every department. We don't promote youth, we are shit in the transfer market, play a brand of football that is based on getting the ball up front as quickly as possible because that's where the goal is, and a manager whose plucky billy brit, roll up yer sleeves ignorance is wearing very thin. He should have gone at the end of last season. I can guarantee that the club hasn't put anything in place for his successor.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Pearcey3
Ok. So you are saying the club are under-achieving?
Surely, the answer to that question is to compare our current league position with where most pundits had us finishing when the predictions were being made back in August? As Dave says, it is too early to say we are definitely destined for a mid table finish, but we are past the ten game phase that it is generally held to be the time when the table starts to take shape and the worrying thing for me is that we certainly haven't resembled a potential top two side in any of our games so far and I would argue we haven't looked like a likely top six outfit yet either, so, yes, I would say we're under achieving.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
Well it looks like we have sacked Jose Gomes so will be on our seventh manager inside five years. Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Well it looks like we have sacked Jose Gomes so will be on our seventh manager inside five years. Be careful what you wish for.
Indeed
If a play off place is out of our reach , so be it
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The difference between 7th and 15th in the premier league is so marginal that having the ambition of coming in the top 4 of that middle group seems fairly small over a 10 year plus investment plan. If we argue that until Warnock came in Tan's running of this club was a busted flush, our side is really only 3 years old and we have the stadium and are making strides towards the training ground so in terms of infrastructure are similar if not ahead of Brighton. What Brighton have is an extremely successful youth grouping, a system of allowing those players to progress, a scouting system that aided them in staying in the premier league and a willingness to take the calculated risk of bringing in an exciting young manager - things to work on over the next 3 years.
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In terms of England, my understanding is that their system is maybe 2 years younger than "The Welsh Way" but obviously with x number of million extra people to chose from and x number of million extra to invest, the latter point not only compared to Wales but compared to every football nation in the world, it's done a lot to take strides forward. It would not be surprising to seem them win at least one of the next three international tournaments and UEFA's poo'ing the bed with the next tournament, their attempts at spreading the next Euros around smaller nations only to give the majority of the matches to Wembley, that has to be a real target for them.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Pearcey3
Well it looks like we have sacked Jose Gomes so will be on our seventh manager inside five years. Be careful what you wish for.
Yeah, let’s not wish for our club to move into the 21st century just because Reading are on their 7th manager in 5 years.
And let’s not forget, we were really shit 20 years ago.
So any Millenials don’t you dare have any ambition for your football club because we are not really a Championship established club. A club that’s has either been in the Premier League, or challenging for promotion to there for the best part of the last decade. We were really shit before you were born and that’s the way we should always be remembered.
And just so you don’t forget. We were really shit 20 years ago.
20 years ago.
Really shit.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Well it looks like we have sacked Jose Gomes so will be on our seventh manager inside five years. Be careful what you wish for.
That's illogical. Fans aren't asking for anything radical, just a bit of a philosophy, maybe some method, the odd youngster to progress and a little bit of success in the transfer market. I'd hope that the club are thinking the same way. By your reckoning, nothing would get done as it could get worse. That's ridiculous.
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Re: This is how Cardiff City should be run
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
That's illogical. Fans aren't asking for anything radical, just a bit of a philosophy, maybe some method, the odd youngster to progress and a little bit of success in the transfer market. I'd hope that the club are thinking the same way. By your reckoning, nothing would get done as it could get worse. That's ridiculous.
That’s unfair.
Totally.
He’s just pointing out that change isn’t always guaranteed to bring success and it’s not always controllable to the level that many on here seem to think it is.
Those things you ask for are all nice, but compared to some of the other challenges the club has faced in the last 10 years or so they are minor.
There’s going to be a new manager in a few months and I reckon we’ve got a better chance of it being one who’s taking on a successful club by getting behind and supporting the current one than constantly criticising everything he does.
We are still in a decent position despite a start which apparently is a disaster. So no need to panic and deviate from the plan that is in place .