I'll never understand why people vote against their own interests. We're literally killing ourselves.
I could barely keep it together watching that trailer. I'll have to wait for kinder times to watch the film.
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Away from the tit for tat playground reply , you vote for them na na na na stuff .
I am asking you an basic political question , a subject matter you clearly enjoy , why have the Tories have been so successful in wining so many elections and running our country for so long ,surely a fella with so many other opinions ,has a view on this ??,
I hated Thatcher , couldn't make Major out other than him being the pasty to get rid of Thatcher and some new nice face of the Tories as that era was ending .
I suppose the main reason why I liked Blair , was because for the very first time in my lifetime someone gave the Tories a bloody good bashing , not once but twice ,and that is my honest answer .
Yes to do it he had to tear up some of the old traditional Labour values as they were un - electable with them ,which i'm guessing is why the current leadership , are so bitter about current centralist type Labour MP' s .
You do realise that you've edited out my answer to your question in the post that you've just quoted, right? You have even responded to it previously saying that you liked Blair :shrug: If you've genuinely not noticed that you've done it, that's a bit worrying.
I'll post it again now and make the words bigger (like you've just done) so you don't miss it this time.
Oh, I can explain that. At a general election every adult gets the chance to vote. Surprisingly, many people don't share the same views as a group of 10 or so individuals who haunt a football message board in south Wales.
Whoever's in charge come December, I hope they take better care of our hard earned taxes :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...2-000-day.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102318...cash-marbella/
Labour are about to get smashed out of sight. We are going to have a minimum 5 years of a Boris Johnson government. A nightmare thought.
Labour have done this to themselves and it dates back to electing the wrong Milliband brother.
Labour need to win the marginals and they are not doing that with the likes of Corbyn and Dianne Abbott at the front.
They may even lose numbers of safe seats which will be some achievement.
Unfortunately you’re right. Any decent opposition party should be polling so much higher against the basket case of a PM and Conservative party but the Labour Party is a split as the Conservative’s are. Clearly Corbyn is unelectable to the wider population and doesn’t fit with a large proportion of labour MPs, however he’s loved by the grass roots members. Unfortunately that won’t get him or the Labour Party into power and will hand control to the Tories for 5 years, oh joy!
I actually think Corbyn had a window to stop the Boris , and perhaps JC task may now be slightly easier , and that was fir for him to reluctantly back Mays part remain withdrawal bill , on the guise to stop the rise of the right ERG, he could now be
canvassing doing the right thing for the country albeit
reluctantly and in doing so deliver a democract decesion .
He would be in a better place now as May was very unpopular and a dead woman walking politically .
Trouble with him and to some extent a lot of Labour voters thier hatred of anything Tory blinds them and in my opinion effects thier judgement, you can that from a few on this board and thier behaviours and childish personal attacks.
It seems one cannot call out ones party faults , without being called a Tory , its as if your not allowed another view , or seek something better of the party you have traditionally supported .
The biggest threat for Labour is if the Tories dont contest the Brexit seats stronlgy , yes the mood music is no pact however I wonder if the already Tories know they would never beat Labour in those leave seats but the Brexit party would.
I would not be surprised if the Brexit party only contests leave known own areas to concentrate thier resources,rather than UK wide candidates?
And Wales us well up for a Brexit grab , no wonder thier conference was held in Wales , they are on the sniff .
For me Its horrible to see the demise of Labour, thats why I'm more crtical of them in thier current state as they are destroying Labour goid centralist MP's are being isolated one by one ,I've always known the Tories too be the alleged nasty ones , I'm sure like most parties there's good and bad, so its wrong to label everyone under the same badge .
I tell you what you'd have to be driven and gavevsome balls to want to bemcone an MP in this era with its ease of use social media abuse channels.
What’s the Brexit Party’s stance on the NHS, Transport, Environment, Education etc? Or are they just a one trick pony? Ridiculous to even contemplate voting for them, Farage (the same as Johnson) is akin to a daft dog barking like mad and chasing a bus but having no clue what to do when he caught it.
It was a widely publicised attack on Corbyn when he made it in early September. The national Tory press loved it - not just Steve Baker and his 'Spartan' ERG mates. It is no surprise at all. You only have to look for a few minutes at the track record of Ian Austin to decide whether his Parliamentary rant was true or not.
He has previous for abusive behaviour - in the Commons and against former Labour colleagues. He is a Labour Friends of Israel stalwart and has had to apologise in the past for false claims of anti-semitism. He was a Gordon Brown tail gunner for a while but has moved rapidly further right in recent years and has supported private schools, no deal Brexit (despite backing Remain in the referendum) and was vociferous in his attacks on Corbyn for his opposition to Blair and the Iraq War when the Chilcott Report came out in 2016. He is also an expenses cheat!
Farage and co are basically further to the right Tories who are and will take a significant amount of working class voters for mugs ie the 350m for the NHS. I was listening to a traditional Labour voter and member on the radio the other day and he said he could not back Labour due to Brexit. He said he would never vote for the Tories. He wasn't happy about it but said hed back the even more right wing Brexit lot. When asked why he said they didnt close the pits.
Labour are about to be hammered and its their own doing.
People who talk about replacing Corbyn have an incredible ability to suggest even worse candidates as his replacement
Anyone who thinks the Labour Party will just swing back to the right following Corbyn is in for a shock. With the threshold to get on the ballot lowered, the left will find it easier to win in future due to the ideology of the membership. The main problem facing left wingers in the Labour Party was getting enough nominations from the PLP, if the threshold is lowered to 10%, any potential leader would only need around 24 nominations. There are 21 MPs in the Socialist Campaign Group alone, all of which will back a left leader who would win the vote comfortably
Corbyn was ahead of his time, was doing what Blair had to do to get the good Friday agreement 25 years before him.fact is you have to talk to people you don't like in order to reach a compromise.
No but I was around in the 70s and 80s and had the misfortune for a time to be a resident of the London Borough of Haringey where a young hard-left councillor called J Corbyn was just starting to get noticed. So I have followed his career with some interest for some time. It might be news to you, but Cuddly Corby is a self-avowed Marxist. Do you yourself read anything apart from this board?
No but I was around in the 70s and 80s and had the misfortune for a time to be a resident of the London Borough of Haringey where a young hard-left councillor called J Corbyn was just starting to get noticed. So I have followed his career with some interest for some time. It might be news to you, but Cuddly Corby is a self-avowed Marxist. Do you yourself read anything apart from this board?
BYeah, what was he thinking? Talking openly to these organisations and trying to sort things out without further bloodshed (while as we now know, Thatcher was secretly meeting them, going public wouldn’t have done much for her hang ‘em high, gung ho persona). Hypothetically speaking had Corbyn, not Blair been Prime Minister perhaps there wouldn’t have been so many grieving relatives of British soldiers. Corbyn stuck to his beliefs, didn’t piss off and form another party like other shithouses have who couldn’t get their own way. He toughed it out, stuck to his beliefs and eventually became leader. Only thing I’d pull him up on is his reluctance to back ‘Remain’ 100%, which pisses me off.
Thatcher negotiated with the IRA during the hunger strikes and she had a wonderful relationship with Mr Pinochet, he of the death squads. Corbyns actions in engaging with Sinn Fein were groundbreaking, even the SDLP followed suit and realised that the only way that there was to be peace was to talk. He was right, wasn't he?
I don't understand anyone with the attitude of "yeah, there is a lot of inequality in Britain at the moment, those at the bottom of the ladder have worse working conditions than a generation ago, the disabled are worse off, the NHS is on its knees, council funding has been slashed and have closed half of its amenities, but I'll vote to get rid of the NHS, to widen that equality, to make working class people worse off and work longer just because the leader who wants to change things for the better has some dubious things in his past".
Thing is with the EU is that corbyn sees it as a Neo Liberal project that supported austerity, he campaigned to stay in the EU back in 2016 on a remain and Reform ticket. It's a difficult one for him as plenty of the people who voted out are from the poorest parts of the UK who have seen industry and jobs decimated, in turn, plenty of desperate people thought that their lack of opportunity was because of immigration (Bingo-the poor blaming the poor) not because of the government inducing Austerity and the decision backed by the EU, add to that shithouse bosses employing cheap Labour with zero working conditions. Corbyn can't really alienate these people by throwing his hat in with remain, in my opinion, he does have to be pragmatic. The problem he has is that alot of his support and the rise in membership because of him are from the middle classes. They may not even be that political but want a fairer society for all with opportunity for everyone, i believe that these people haven't been effected as badly by austerity and EU policies. It's a difficult one for him.
Unfortunately the scummy right wing press did a number on Corbyn and were allowed to get away with it aided and abetted by a pathetic BBC.
It disgusts me when I hear of Corbyn being labelled as a terrorist sympathiser. If he is one what the hell does that make Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson?
We live in a country with the most right wing press in Europe. It is hugely influential. It goes unchallenged and it’s narrative is often followed by the BBC.
In time Johnson and his rotten party will be found out as they were in 1997 but not before they cause even more damage to our health service and education as well as our standing in the world. We will continue to see more homeless on our streets and more people using food banks because the Tories just don’t care.