Big time. He's been getting away with it for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
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Big time. He's been getting away with it for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Or perhaps, as a former player who has affection for his old club, he is bored and concerned with what he is seeing from City this season. I've listened to this week's podcast and Gabbs and Iwan Roberts are scathing about City's performance and their manager's after match comments, while the only thing which might qualify as gloating from Elis James comes (mostly he is shocked by how bad we were) comes when the three of them, rightly, pour scorn on Warnock's claim that his completely outplayed side side were robbed of a corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Gabbs mentions his surprise at how Warnock was given such an easy ride by the media in his post game press conference and I think this is a fair claim - if our manager thinks he is getting a rough ride from the written and broadcast media then I dread to think what he would have thought if he had to take the sort of stick Russell Slade had to - this team are as boring to watch as Slade's used to be.
Not only are we as boring to watch as Slade's side, matching or bettering Slade's 8th place finish in his only full season in charge seems highly unlikely at the moment.
The local media have declined to hold Warnock to account for his failed performance over the last 18 months, perhaps out of fear of being ostracised. Interestingly the national media who know what he’s all about are far less easily intimidated by him.
As former players turned pundits I think Blake and Gabbidon can spot when someone in the game is trying it on a bit. The fact is that £50m odd has been spent on a team which went straight back down from the PL and currently has a record of 4 wins out of 14 in the Championship. Questions should be being asked.
Reminds me of that Donald Trump line.
“Nobody in the history has been treated as badly as I have”
Or whatever it was he said.
Well as my post said - going back way before we were completely shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Having a pop in recent months is fair game, but Gabbidon tries so hard to be neutral and not favour Cardiff that he goes over the top, even when we were performing well and winning games in the Premier League.
Warnock deserves to be held to account for a very poor start to the season and some dreadful signings. If he were to get sacked in the international break then he could have no complaints. But people are now pushing a narrative that he's had it easy off the media - but are people surprised?
Season 1 - Came in when we were barely out of the relegation zone, a couple of good signings, got Zohore firing and finished the season in 12th.
Season 2 - Automatic promotion, several good signings. Enough said.
Season 3 - Not the best squad, some poor signings, some good loan signings. A very poor start following by a resurgence, out of the bottom 3 in February after everything that happened in January. Competitive until the Fulham game which imo was the one where we got relegated.
Season 4 - Well we all know how that's going so far and he's rightly had criticism...
He's had an "easy ride" because for his first 3 seasons a lot went very well.
**** me. State of some of your comments.
All well happy to give out banter but if he gives anything back you are all climbing over each other froffing at the mouth.
Relax, he will be gone soon enough and we can get on with being super ambitious again and playing beautiful one touch passing football.
Untwist your knickers love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I fail to see how getting relegated equates to a season going well. This is exactly what is meant by Neil Warnock getting an easy ride from the media - while it is right to make allowances for the Sala tragedy, we had five points from our first ten games well before he was signed against a backdrop of our manager, with ample help from many in the local media, constantly playing the "plucky little Cardiff City" card.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Neil Warnock has had two, not three, good seasons with us and we currently sit nine places above where we were when he took over with him having been given more money to spend than any City manager with the possible exception of Malky Mackay. In his third season with us, all he did was give more ammunition to those who say he cannot manage in the top flight, but people still talk about him having "credit in the bank" at Cardiff - sorry, but I don't get the notion that such credit will only run out when we drop to 23rd in the Championship.
Not wearing any babes xQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Warnock is getting what he deserves.
He rode the positive vibes, we’ll the waves got rough so it’s about time he stood up and showed us what he can do. **** his little comments to the press, get back to us after 2 wins and a performance that looks like it’s worthy of being on a football pitch.
We were right in the mix until that Fulham game so I don't understand why he'd be getting a tough ride until that point? Unless people were expecting a comfortable 12th placed finish, we were kind of on par with where I expected us to be until late March, which was fighting for safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That Fulham game wound me right up so I didn't look at anything for a week after that but I would like to think he had questions to answer over bringing Rhys Healey etc on, starting Bobby Reid on the bench. You mention a poor start to the season in the Prem but I don't think many fans questioned Warnock at that point, so the media sticking with him wasn't against a backdrop of stick from the stands. It was pretty much in line with how the fans saw it, but people are now using it as a stick to beat him/the media with which is a bit of a strange one for me.
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Originally Posted by Trigger
1. He’s a football manager. Not some scrote on a message board.
2. It wasn’t “banter”.
Where’s that clapping smileyQuote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
We were the only club in the Premier League last season with an average annual wage per player of less than £1 million (£957,471). Huddersfield were the next lowest with £1,238,000 and then Burnley with £1,603,197. When you take that into account then you have to say that we outperformed expectations by finishing 18th.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
In that interview he said he got the team selection wrong, the wrong formation. In that case why didn’t he change our shape, he had Bacuna on the bench. When he made his substitutions, he took a striker off and put a striker on, doesn’t make any sense to me.
The more you dig..Quote:
Originally Posted by Seabird
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Whilst I disagree with your views on NW (and those others in the management team under him) grasping modern techniques , if you are correct about why he uses the approach you suggest then why did he spend a lot of money on players who were never going to fit into that system (Booby Reid, Lee Tomlin, Josh Murphy etc) and waste other money on players who he then doesn`t select (Cunningham, Madine, Vaulks etc) which was money he could have spent elsewhere to support his "plan"?
In addition to the above , a lot of money has been wasted on what seem to be very questionable levels of transfer fees , salary levels, exceptional length of contracts etc. on players such as Bacuna and Flint. I can understand the relatively cheap signing of Joe Day which now seems unnecessary as at the time everyone (including the player himself) thought Neil Etheridge was off to Aston Villa.
Also, why did he spend yet more money (and why the hell did the club`s directors let him) on two professional contracts given to two sons of a disgraced former football agent when those players were very clearly nowhere near Championship standard?
He hasn’t had to answer to any of that and he says he’s been given a hard time....Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Are those figures estimates? If not, where do they come from as season 2018/19 accounts have not yet been published?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
People know it all on these MBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Even if they are accurate, there are leagues all over the world, including the Premier League, which are full of sides who perform above their wage bill compared to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Yeah, **** off now **** and ******* go **** ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I think they are from a sporting intelligence website report, they seem pretty knowledgeable in sporting finances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
They might be , but where are the figures derived from by them as no accounts have been published for last season for any of the three clubs mentioned in the initial post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavross1927
https://globalsportssalaries.com/GSSS%202018.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavross1927
Before looking at this post , I was actually looking at the Sports Intelligence website as well.
It seems that the figure listed for Cardiff City is that for player wages paid in season 2017/18 when we were a Championship side , so not comparable with the figures quoted for Huddersfield and Burnley who were Premier League sides.
Until the 2018/19 figures are published , we don`t know if Neil Warnock`s claim that we were the "poor boys" of the Premier League has any basis in fact or not.
Page 53 of the report states that the figures are for the 2018/19 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
We were paying average wages that were more than 20% lower than 19th-highest spending team and more than 40% lower than the 18th-highest spending team.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
So it looks like Neil Warnock was actually quite justified in playing the 'plucky little Cardiff City' card, as you like to call it.
You might be wright brother, but aren't spitfires a bit too modern for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since62
Yes. With Warnock we’re talking Icarus’ wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The report itself is dated 2018 so how would wages for 2018/19 be known? Or which players were signed or left in the January 19 transfer window?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I'd be sure that those figures for last season were what you say they are before making claims like you are doing. What I said still applies and, anyway, the evidence of Neil Warnock's time at City tends to confirm something which probably applies throughout his career - he tends to do his.best work when finances are tough and he has small budget to work with. It started to go wrong for him here in the January 18 window when he spent £6 million on Madine and since then I don't think any of his buys for seven or eight figures could be called a complete success.. Notwithstanding the size of the wage bill, he's worked with, the amount spent in the transfer market in the last two years or so renders the "plucky little Cardiff City" stuff laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
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Originally Posted by Since62
From the 'Methodological Notes' section of the report.Quote:
Some important notes need to be made on methodology. The first six editions of this report, published annually from 2010 to 2015 inclusive, were released in Spring, usually April, and included salaries either for the ‘active’ or most recently completed season for each league at the time of publication.
For the European football leagues up to the 2015 report, completed seasons were used. But a wider knowledge base and more established access to better data gave us the confidence to use ‘live’ data for all the European football leagues from the GSSS 2016 onwards.
As the title of the report says, our numbers are compiled by survey. More accurately they are the result of an analysis and organisation of data either A) established as fact in those leagues where minutiae are in the public domain; or B) gathered by survey methods from a multitude of knowledgeable sources, more of which in a moment.
As ever, all the numbers can only ever be a snapshot of a situation at a point in time, whether the opening day of a season or the day after a transfer window has closed.
All figures (across all leagues) are sourced directly or indirectly from one or more of unions, player associations, players themselves, agents, leagues, clubs and / or club sources, and other reliable administrative bodies.
To be more specific, league by league, from the wealthiest league down: the NBA numbers are in the public domain, so too the IPL figures (via auctions, and club sources filling gaps) and the MLB numbers.
For the Premier League, and all the other European football leagues (in Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Scotland) we source a specific number for each and every individual player wherever possible, either from players themselves, their agents or other representatives, or club sources.
It is a painstaking exercise and the findings can, by a survey’s definition, only be as accurate as the information provided. There are ‘backstops’ however, including public domain sources, not all widely known, that give a good indication of general financial situations. And there are sources not in the public domain. One example: Sportingintelligence has undertaken consultancy and advisory work over a number of years for quantum claims (for loss of earnings in football, mostly because of injury) that has involved access to numerous player contracts, which can be corroborative. All data on individuals for the GSSS reports is gathered on a confidential basis - hence why we don’t publish individual player salary information.
All of which boils down to admitting they are guessing. Maybe it's an accurate guess, but in a few months time we'll know from the club itself how right they are. I'd rather wait until then before jumping to any conclusions, although, even if they are right on the button, it doesn't mean that it is impossible to escape relegation with the lowest budget in a league = as I said earlier in the thread, I'm sure there are plenty of cases where a side with a low budget over performs in leagues all over the world (I daresay it's something Neil Warnock sides did pretty regularly earlier in his career).Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
We were massive underdogs last season. The average wages figure makes that absolutely clear. It doesn't mean it was the case in the promotion season and it doesn't mean it is the case this season, but to deny it about last season is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
For comparison: the previous Premier League season where the 6 lowest spenders all survived relegation.
We overperformed by not finishing bottom of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'm quite impressed by Sheffield United's manager, Chris Wilder. Unlike Warnock last season, Wilder demands more from his players in the Premier League than merely plucky displays.