Bellamy interview in the Times today

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

For what it’s worth I agree with you. There are very good characteristics I see in Bellamy that I also see in good leaders I’ve worked with and that I hope I exhibit with my teams. Of course there’ll be flaws... I know I’ve got tons...but my personal and people development style is to focus on strengths.... and I see enough of those in Bellamy

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Focusing on strengths, absolutely, especially within a group with different attributes. Do you really see that in Bellamy?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Focusing on strengths, absolutely, especially within a group with different attributes. Do you really see that in Bellamy?

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It’s why I wrote it. What qualities do you see (if any) in Bellamy?

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

It’s why I wrote it. What qualities do you see (if any) in Bellamy?

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I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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Tend to agree with that.

He strikes me as someone that be fantastic when things are going well and would lose his head when it doesn’t. Massive assumptions and hope I’m wrong.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Tend to agree with that.

He strikes me as someone that be fantastic when things are going well and would lose his head when it doesn’t. Massive assumptions and hope I’m wrong.

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The other thing that i don't think is being taken into account is that out of the group that Bellamy is coaching, after their first year he'll know whether or not they've got a chance, there'll probably be three players who have a great chance of a pro contract, then the possibles and a fair chunk who have got no chance, they just haven't developed in the way the club would've hoped, i'd say half of these young lads are punts. I'd have thought that Bellamy would know pretty soon who had a chance but would still have to put his efforts into the dead rubber as they're under contract. That must be difficult for someone like him.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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This is the difference between a Leader and a Manager. The two are not the same, but people can have the qualities to be both.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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Thing is, he came to play championship football when he could have stayed in the prem. That alone makes me think he's got a bit more to him than the Roy Keane style tunnel vision on being the best. I do think hes all about improvement and being as good as you can be, rather than obsession with being the best in an absolute sense. Which is what I think keane is all about.

I take your point about him not being able to communicate with people who aren't on his wavelength. Not sure that's a weakness really. If he only wants players with the same dedication and commitment as him, he would be building a club according to his own values and I'd quite like that if it was mine.

Anyway as you say all of this is speculation based on what we know of him from his career (although if you look at the way he speaks and behaves, it is consistent and clear). But he might be an irredeemable cockhead in real life, who knows.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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These are the attributes of a top class football manager, and a top class football manager will only use the players who can do what he wants them to do. Everybody else is out the door.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I'd say that he's a perfectionist, doesn't like coming second and expects everyone to have the same expectation levels he possesses. I suppose they're qualities but only with people who respond to them. I'm not sure that he could be adaptable or patient with people who aren't on his wave length, which could be a problem in my opinion.

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All the best managers are perfectionists and don’t suffer fools gladly. Shape up or ship out was very much Fergies mantra and I don’t think Pep or Klopp settle for anything less. If you are not on their Wavelength bye bye. You see Pep rollicking Sterling after a cup final they won 6-1 and he was man of the match and was pissing around in the last chance of the game and messed it up.

Very interesting interview. Would love to see Bellamy as manager of Cardiff city this season. Question is have our board got the foresight to make that decision.

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Originally Posted by simonp_ccfc

Very interesting interview. Would love to see Bellamy as manager of Cardiff city this season. Question is have our board got the foresight to make that decision.

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We'd probably be beaten to it, lots of struggling clubs will be looking for a new manager as the season progresses, and they won't fail to have noticed that he is the right sort of person to shake things up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

We'd probably be beaten to it, lots of struggling clubs will be looking for a new manager as the season progresses, and they won't fail to have noticed that he is the right sort of person to shake things up a bit.

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Our loss will be someone else's gain no doubt. It would be so typical of our club to miss out. Hoping Tan and co surprise us.

Playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, I do think there is a tendency to look at this subject and and see it as only relating to Craig Bellamy when the truth is that the club said that they were looking into the behaviour of other members of staff at the Academy.

On the subject of Bellamy though, I feel that there should be some questioning of his claims about the "kindergarten" he saw when he first got involved with the Academy, because he was never with one as a boy at the age he was talking about.

I should say here that I'm a Bellamy fan who thinks he has the potential to be a fine manager and/or coach, but while doing that job is much the same when applying it to twenty three and thirty three years olds, there should be a world of difference between how you go about teaching eight year olds and eighteen year olds the game. It would be a truly exceptional person who was able to tick all of the right boxes in a job where the age range of players you might have to deal with could go from, say, eight to thirty eight.

I think there is some evidence that the Bellamy effect was bearing fruit with the older Academy players and it had to be a good thing that those in that age group had someone of his reputation at the club fighting their corner when it came to possible first team selection. However, while there may have been a need for more discipline at what he called a creche, I have to ask what experience Craig Bellamy has of dealing with under tens attached to professional clubs? Certainly, there was nothing from his playing career that he could draw on with that age group like he could do with those who are fourteen plus.

If it was really like a creche when he first attended an under 10s session, I would argue that it would be preferable to the modern day version with its instructions to under tens to"take skin" - I really hope this isn't a by product of the need to improve discipline.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I watched the Under 18s play the wurzels this lunchtime , one side built from the back and occasionally played some really entertaining stuff. All through the game they opted for a constructive build up while the other team were bigger, far more direct and looked to bully their opponents - the wurzels mimicking of our first team looked to have won them the game until Eli King's shot got a big deflection to earn City a 2-2 draw which I thought their patient probing style deserved.

However, you do watch these games and wonder about how can it be beneficial for the first team to play one way and, although, the Under 23s are more direct than they were, all of the age group sides play another way.

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I'm not sure it makes much difference if none of them have a sniff of first team football.

They can play how they like but they're not getting any joy any time soon under the current regime.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Playing Devil's Advocate to a degree, I do think there is a tendency to look at this subject and and see it as only relating to Craig Bellamy when the truth is that the club said that they were looking into the behaviour of other members of staff at the Academy.

On the subject of Bellamy though, I feel that there should be some questioning of his claims about the "kindergarten" he saw when he first got involved with the Academy, because he was never with one as a boy at the age he was talking about.

I should say here that I'm a Bellamy fan who thinks he has the potential to be a fine manager and/or coach, but while doing that job is much the same when applying it to twenty three and thirty three years olds, there should be a world of difference between how you go about teaching eight year olds and eighteen year olds the game. It would be a truly exceptional person who was able to tick all of the right boxes in a job where the age range of players you might have to deal with could go from, say, eight to thirty eight.

I think there is some evidence that the Bellamy effect was bearing fruit with the older Academy players and it had to be a good thing that those in that age group had someone of his reputation at the club fighting their corner when it came to possible first team selection. However, while there may have been a need for more discipline at what he called a creche, I have to ask what experience Craig Bellamy has of dealing with under tens attached to professional clubs? Certainly, there was nothing from his playing career that he could draw on with that age group like he could do with those who are fourteen plus.

If it was really like a creche when he first attended an under 10s session, I would argue that it would be preferable to the modern day version with its instructions to under tens to"take skin" - I really hope this isn't a by product of the need to improve discipline.

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I posed this question above, why are professional football clubs getting involved with 5 and 10 year old children, and having seasoned hardcore professionals interacting with them? The coaches dealing with these age-groups need to have a totally different mindset. Regarding the older lads, you can join the army at 16, get treated like shit, and then go off and kill people. 18 year-old olds trying to make it in the pro game should expect a bit of discipline and character building, otherwise they are never going to make the transition into their dream job. In short, you can not view every situation through the same pair of goggles.