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They were getting 43k at one point in the Premier League. In the Championship their crowds dropped by 33% after relegation. Ours has currently dropped by 27% though we're getting almost 3,000 more than our promotion season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavross1927
The Bristol City home games have never been our biggest attendances of the season, so that figure doesn't surprise me, though it is bigger than our home average this season. Expect bigger crowds against Leeds and Swansea.
i respect what he has done for us hands down... but history is yesterday and we have to look forward..
i was in the camp of him not starting this season at all and got laughed on here and fb, thats cool, and no i dont know who should be a suitable replacement im not in the business of football managerial recruitment but all i know is its not working is it
No it hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
2009/10 Premier League 18249
2010/11 Championship 15571
2011/12 Championship 15076
2012/13 League 1 12232
2013/14 League 2 15461
2014/15 League 2 15242
2015/16 League 2 16391
2016/17 League 2 16823
2017/18 League 1 17917
2018/19 League 1 18223
2019/20 League 1 17893
Theirs dropped a third in 3 seasons going from Premier League to League 1. What is interesting is that their Supporters' Trust eventually bought the club at the end of that 2012/13 season and the fans came back. They clearly had a number of stay aways prior to that, though.
If the 2 that hit the bar had gone in we, would be saying 2,wins since the, Jacks.
That's the fine line in football..
Sludge - your justification for sticking with Warnock looks to me to hinge on him keeping us up, which given how much has been spent and the club’s own pre-season stance amounts to a huge failure.
Why should we trust Warnock with another transfer window*, then expect the new manager to start with a full season ahead, when they could come in now, assess the squad and make sensible changes in the January window*?
*Assuming no transfer ban.
Well said Sludge completely agree, what a fickle lot of fans we have :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Think everyone appreciates the fact he brought the fans and the club closer together. Think we all appreciate the year in the PL as well.
He bought championship players when we went up with the idea that we have a better squad when/if we came back down.
He came down and in his own words said we were going to “have a good go at it”.
It’s not gonna happen, it’s not what he has done thats the issue is it, it’s what he promised to do and is failing at.
He’s back where he started, fans bickering, shit football and struggling in the league.
So tell me, what has he done to deserve to stay? He’s failing. Don’t let one season in the PL cloud your judgement.
His players don’t want to play for him.
Absolutely Spot On.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
As a few have said we are back where we started in many ways.
Yes, he took us up but he has also been terrible in the transfer market and many of those signings were made and then weren't picked.
See Vaulks as the latest example of this. It is as if he doesn't look at a player and what they can do and buys them and then sees their flaws.
For me it has run it's course. If he stays it gives less time to the new man and will take that much longer to get the squad in any fit state again.
I, like many others though, am worried what the board with it's lack of football knowledge will bring in.
We have had Malky, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the Scott Young/Gabbidon double act, Slade and Warnock.
The list is very hit and miss and with almost all of those there always seemed to be a breakdown between the board and manager. Malky especially. If I can give Warnock the most credit for anything it is the way he has managed Tan and the board.
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
When Warnock arrived, City were a side drained of confidence who were playing poorly, but they weren't relegation certainties by any stretch of the imagination. Indeed, when he took over Cardiff were two points behind Derby and Villa, who were 18th and 19th in the table. They ended the season five points behind Derby, who finished 9th, and level on points with Villa, who finished 13th.
Warnock undoubtedly did well to galvanise an under-performing side, but what he effectively did in 2016/17 was turn a team that should have been mid-table into a team that was mid-table. It was good work but it was no miracle. He inherited a squad that included the likes of Morrison, Manga, Peltier, Bennett, Gunnarsson, Ralls, Zohore, Harris, Whittingham and Pilkington. Relegation certainties they were not.
I also do not want to see him get another transfer window or waste any more cash.
Glad to see you post that Dave because it needed to be said. We were barely into October when Trollope left, so there were over one hundred points still to play for - I certainly wouldn't knock Warnock for what he did in his first season with us, but what he did at Rotherham in keeping them up deserves praise, all he did here was get a side playing to something like their potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
All credit to our manager for the 17/18 promotion, but some of the stuff on here about the season which followed that almost reads as if we over achieved by getting relegated! As for this season, there is no way that we should be in a position where we are sat in fourteenth position arguably a few places higher in the league than our performance levels merit given the advantages we have over most sides in the division - I'd like to think Neil Warnock would agree if he was being honest with himself.
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Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Why do people use the word "fickle" on here so much? I gave it some consideration and then I changed my mind. What's wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Igovernor
Am I supposed to think something is good when it isn't to avoid someone I don't know using the word fickle on an internet messageboard? I stick by Cardiff City, not the manager, the owner or even the players. Supporting someone doing a terrible job because they previously did something good is ill-advised. Especially when they show no signs of ever being good again.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I beg to differQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
In my opinion we were heading for league one before Warnock arrived
He pulled this club up by it's bootstraps
You have never liked Warnock if we are being honest
I say let him keep us steady till he retired and then look forwards
Perhaps you could step up and take over ?
I know this is all semantics but I just think we need to take a moment to breathe sometimes and get a bit of perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
You've said that Warnock is doing a 'terrible' job and snows 'no signs of ever being good again'.
I don't think that's the case. There's every chance we can turn things around with a couple of good results - we're currently two wins off the play-offs.
I notice with a lot of fans (not just City fans), there is a tendency to write someone off as 'sh!te'. Elsewhere in this thread, there's talk about how 'sh!t' we are, how we play 'sh!te' football.
We're currently the 34th best team in England and Wales. We're not 'sh!t'. I watch plenty of Championship football and there are plenty of teams that don't look so good if you take time to watch a whole match rather than 90 seconds of highlights on QUEST every week.
Don't say 'sh!t' when you mean 'disappointing' otherwise you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really 'sh!t'!!
My view has always been I don't like the way we play, but I'll, reluctantly, put up with Warnockball if we're winning. Once we stopped doing that, I started criticising and saying what I really think - I think that could be called fickle, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
We definitely play shite football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Sensible
Although there are broadly 2 differing viewpoints in this thread, I think both are correct. We aren't going anywhere with Warnock and I think everybody yearns for a different approach - better football, more prudence in the transfer market, and ideally a young[er] more progressive manager. Yet I'd certainly wait until the end of the season, or at least until safety/missing play offs are a certainty.
Let's not forget on Saturday we were without Ralls, and our best [in my opinion] defensive pairing of Bamba and Morrison..
Who said anything about shit? The basis of my statement was that it's better to judge on the present and potential for the future instead of the past. However, specifically, I think that Warnock has done a terrible job of recruitment, tactics and game management over the last two seasons and I see no reason for that to change. Of course, there's a chance to turn it around, we're only a third of the way into the season. But chances have to be realized and I think it would be foolish to think someone that has been squandering them for the past 2 seasons is about to do any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Sensible