Free Broadband - latest insane policy from Labour

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Who are the "alt right" gang here then ?
I ask you in your capacity as a member of the "alt wrong" faction.

I don't think libraries were a labour idea were they ?

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I didn't say they were, are you unable to consider a broader point without party political attachment?

Well yes Eric. I'm not a conservative ,as I keep saying , but it's assumed that if you think one party is bad, it can only be because you're keen on the other. That's an awful reflection upon how much people are brainwashed into accepting Hobson's choice in politics.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well yes Eric. I'm not a conservative ,as I keep saying , but it's assumed that if you think one party is bad, it can only be because you're keen on the other. That's an awful reflection upon how much people are brainwashed into accepting Hobson's choice in politics.

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You are the one bringing parties into this not me... I think all political parties should be doing whatever they can to try and bring UK infrastructure into the 21st century.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well yes Eric. I'm not a conservative ,as I keep saying , but it's assumed that if you think one party is bad, it can only be because you're keen on the other. That's an awful reflection upon how much people are brainwashed into accepting Hobson's choice in politics.

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Be happy you're in the old man brigade :thumbup:
Not sure exactly what age you have to be to get into your club?, (60/65)? 60 in 17 months can I get an early entry? although I'll be happy enough to get to 60 in the 1st instance.

I think I would have been happier to see either party, to add a levy to food giants and give a £30 food voucher to those who need it
rather than give away a freebie which isn't a basic life requirement. Giving people a better internet connection seems more appealing to voters than giving an equivalent value in food to those who have none. and I'm sure those living in boxes all over the country are getting super excited at the prospect of a fibre cable connected to their cardboard box. Although from a government perspective, perhaps the thought of getting more people online for longer gives them more ability to keep on dumbing down.

#Epstein didn't kill himself

Anons knew.

Enjoy the show.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

"has it occurred to anyone that this would mean that they'd control what people could or couldn't see or say on the Internet ?"

"They already do don't they?"

"He means Labour" - as in "he only cares if a Labour government were controlling what people could or couldn't see on the internet."

I thought it was self-explanatory, sorry :thumbup:

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Yeah it's self-explanatory now that I realise you were trying to pigeon hole him by what he said, I don't do that, hence my confusion :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Yeah it's self-explanatory now that I realise you were trying to pigeon hole him by what he said, I don't do that, hence my confusion :hehe:

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Pigeon hole him?! :hehe: Nice one.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Be happy you're in the old man brigade :thumbup:
Not sure exactly what age you have to be to get into your club?, (60/65)? 60 in 17 months can I get an early entry? although I'll be happy enough to get to 60 in the 1st instance.

I think I would have been happier to see either party, to add a levy to food giants and give a £30 food voucher to those who need it
rather than give away a freebie which isn't a basic life requirement. Giving people a better internet connection seems more appealing to voters than giving an equivalent value in food to those who have none. and I'm sure those living in boxes all over the country are getting super excited at the prospect of a fibre cable connected to their cardboard box. Although from a government perspective, perhaps the thought of getting more people online for longer gives them more ability to keep on dumbing down.

#Epstein didn't kill himself

Anons knew.

Enjoy the show.

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How interesting that you say that because I was thinking exactly the same about food banks and hungry people whilst I was driving this afternoon

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I see the know everything about everything trio have given this idea the thumbs down. No surprise there then, after all a bunch of old men who have probably just about mastered texting are, surely, best qualified to pass judgement on this plan. However, speaking as an old man who has been left behind somewhat by the digital revolution myself, this sounds an honourable aim to me which is, almost certainly doomed to failure because of entrenched attitudes which think solely in terms of the, failed, economics of the last forty years - the irony is that next month will probably see the election of the most right wing Government of our lifetimes , more than likely with a majority, at a time when we are all still feeling the effects of the failures of capitalism.

I may be partially responsible for this in my own small way because I'm far from certain to vote for the only other party that can, realistically, be expected to form a Government , but I'm a little more likely to vote Labour today than I was on Thursday because of this policy.

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I'm sure you were always going to vote Labour and thats fine .

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well yes Eric. I'm not a conservative ,as I keep saying , but it's assumed that if you think one party is bad, it can only be because you're keen on the other. That's an awful reflection upon how much people are brainwashed into accepting Hobson's choice in politics.

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Careful If you dont agree with the new Labour project, your constantly a Tory.

One must learn not challenge the socialist, or there views.

How one can be accused of being right wing by not feeling at ease with Corbyn is beyond me, there are millions of decent moderate social minded centralists, who think the same , and they wont vote for Labour or Tory on Dec 12th

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'm sure you were always going to vote Labour and thats fine .

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You might be sure, I'm not. Brexit could have been handled differently and, between them, Labour and the Lib Dems are handing the election to a truly inept Prime Minister and governing party. I also would be very uncomfortable voting for a party that has been the subject of antisemitism allegations which, for me have at least an element of truth in them - the only way I think I'll vote Labour is if it comes down to a straight fight between them and the Conservatives that they have a chance of winning.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Careful If you dont agree with the new Labour project, your constantly a Tory.

One must learn not challenge the socialist, or there views.

How one can be accused of being right wing by not feeling at ease with Corbyn is beyond me, there are millions of decent moderate social minded centralists, who think the same , and they wont vote for Labour or Tory on Dec 12th

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Except you lot are the only ones bringing parties in because you are unable to discuss the actual issue, look at the thread title ffs.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Careful If you dont agree with the new Labour project, your constantly a Tory.

One must learn not challenge the socialist, or there views.

How one can be accused of being right wing by not feeling at ease with Corbyn is beyond me, there are millions of decent moderate social minded centralists, who think the same , and they wont vote for Labour or Tory on Dec 12th

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These "decent moderate social minded centrists" are red ...nay PINK Tory Trojan horses. A bit of free advice, don't be taken in by them.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You might be sure, I'm not. Brexit could have been handled differently and, between them, Labour and the Lib Dems are handing the election to a truly inept Prime Minister and governing party. I also would be very uncomfortable voting for a party that has been the subject of antisemitism allegations which, for me have at least an element of truth in them - the only way I think I'll vote Labour is if it comes down to a straight fight between them and the Conservatives that they have a chance of winning.

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You've gone up in my estimation for what that's worth. I've been shocked by the way some have dismissed anti semitism and as long as they do that it can't be addressed or fixed.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You might be sure, I'm not. Brexit could have been handled differently and, between them, Labour and the Lib Dems are handing the election to a truly inept Prime Minister and governing party. I also would be very uncomfortable voting for a party that has been the subject of antisemitism allegations which, for me have at least an element of truth in them - the only way I think I'll vote Labour is if it comes down to a straight fight between them and the Conservatives that they have a chance of winning.

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To be fair its awful , and you can see the bitterness on this board .

For the first time in my life after (only) ever voting Labour in a GE I truly dont know what to do, and admit its upsetting .

I was Liberal bound until they bodly said
' revoke article 50' which does worry me as a statement (it is bold though perhaps un democratic though ?? )

I'm no longer as strong on remain as I was in 2016.

I won't waste my vote, sadly I cannot align myself to the current Labour project , I'm not a nationalist so no too Plaid, dont fully buy into the Greens , I may have to suck in the Lib's .


I do wonder if I'm alone in this thought ??

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How some people don't like gratis and are constantly looking a gift horse in the face is insane to me. These rich capitalists must be the bee's knees in excercising mind control.

C'mon Dorcy surely you see a just little joke, I'll find a Boris meme after dinner to show impartiality. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

How some people don't like gratis and are constantly looking a gift horse in the face is insane to me. These rich capitalists must be the bee's knees in excercising mind control.

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I think some are worried about the freebies effecting everyone's pensions , as a lot of these nationalization plans will effect ordinary folks pensions as the pension funds are invested in these very companies , therefore to gratis effect nice a the start could hurt ordinary working folks pensions in the future , my guess (and it is a guess ) a lot of the supporters of the gratis labour plans are retired or near retired public sector workers who are insulated as their pension and earning are protected from this potential financial shortfall and effects of the brave new nationalization plan , this is a huge gamble to untie all of this and it will cost ,I was listen to old Unite Len praising this new venture ,well he would wouldn't , he it wont effect his £250k pa or any of those folk around the Labour manifesto gratis held meeting yesterday .

And shock of shocks old Len was the first out of the media blocks its as if he was the leader , and he as an union leader attended that manifesto meeting ??

I say never mind free fibre broadband, what about fibre broadband full stop! Lots of places in Wales would love to have it. I'm sure those inhabitants would be happy to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by life on mars;502k2308

I think some are worried about the freebies effecting everyone's pensions , as a lot of these nationalization plans will effect ordinary folks pensions as the pension funds are invested in these very companies , therefore to gratis effect nice a the start could hurt ordinary working folks pensions in the future , my guess (and it is a guess ) a lot of the supporters of the gratis labour plans are retired or near retired public sector workers who are insulated as their pension and earning are protected from this potential financial shortfall and effects of the brave new nationalization plan , this is a huge gamble to untie all of this and it will cost ,I was listen to old Unite Len praising this new venture ,well he would wouldn't , he it wont effect his £250k pa or any of those folk around the Labour manifesto gratis held meeting yesterday .

And shock of shocks old Len was the first out of the media blocks its as if he was the leader , and he as an union leader attended that manifesto meeting ??

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Talking about pensions LOM, are you in the lumper payout and retirement at 60 brigade? I've missed out on that one 😬 as has my Doris, but it's not a race to the bottom so best wishes to those in the club 👍 bitter me? I was yesterday morning walking my Doris to work, Facking tories 😬😬😬😬😬

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I think some are worried about the freebies effecting everyone's pensions , as a lot of these nationalization plans will effect ordinary folks pensions as the pension funds are invested in these very companies , therefore to gratis effect nice a the start could hurt ordinary working folks pensions in the future , my guess (and it is a guess ) a lot of the supporters of the gratis labour plans are retired or near retired public sector workers who are insulated as their pension and earning are protected from this potential financial shortfall and effects of the brave new nationalization plan , this is a huge gamble to untie all of this and it will cost ,I was listen to old Unite Len praising this new venture ,well he would wouldn't , he it wont effect his £250k pa or any of those folk around the Labour manifesto gratis held meeting yesterday .

And shock of shocks old Len was the first out of the media blocks its as if he was the leader , and he as an union leader attended that manifesto meeting ??

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No mention of the millions who do not have the luxury of an occupational pension I see. Many people I know only have the State Pension to look forward to but are heroic in their stoicism.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Talking about pensions LOM, are you in the lumper payout and retirement at 60 brigade? I've missed out on that one 😬 as has my Doris, but it's not a race to the bottom so best wishes to those in the club 👍 bitter me? I was yesterday morning walking my Doris to work, Facking tories 😬😬😬😬😬

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wish I was

A good opinion piece (in my opinion) about this from Ash Sarkar (normally demonised by The Guardian, but this time given space):

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-founding-nhs

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Originally Posted by jon1959

A good opinion piece (in my opinion) about this from Ash Sarkar (normally demonised by The Guardian, but this time given space):

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-founding-nhs

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to be fair it is a well presented side , and the to point

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Originally Posted by life on mars

wish I was

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Didn't think you was TBH. Usually easy to pick out.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

A good opinion piece (in my opinion) about this from Ash Sarkar (normally demonised by The Guardian, but this time given space):

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-founding-nhs

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Well the NHS has been a ****ing disaster so she's probably right.
Maybe it'll become the new mammoth State project that can't be done or funded properly but which no ones got the courage to critisise

He 'stuffed their mouths with gold', i'm a massive fan of the NHS and those of us that can afford it should pay a lot more taxation to improve it and keep it going but nonetheless doctors and surgeons do still seem to be paid too much, we should all be in it together.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

He 'stuffed their mouths with gold', i'm a massive fan of the NHS and those of us that can afford it should pay a lot more taxation to improve it and keep it going but nonetheless doctors and surgeons do still seem to be paid too much, we should all be in it together.

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Excellent point Trampie!!!

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Originally Posted by trampie09

He 'stuffed their mouths with gold', i'm a massive fan of the NHS and those of us that can afford it should pay a lot more taxation to improve it and keep it going but nonetheless doctors and surgeons do still seem to be paid too much, we should all be in it together.

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Glad you like it. I see they've been caught killing kids at the maternity dept in Telford over decades. Not the first such scandal is it ?
Fact is that it's a big **** up and third world compared to US healthcare but we keep hearing how great it is from the BBC and politicians and somehow a lot of people fall for it

If anyone is interested in how and why the policy was adopted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxSdHtbmUY

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Originally Posted by jon1959

If anyone is interested in how and why the policy was adopted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxSdHtbmUY

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In fact it's not new. Here's a clip of a much younger McDonnel putting his policies to a labour panel screening potential candidates
during Blair's government

https://youtu.be/Mt0wNCSt25c

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Excellent point Trampie!!!

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yes i think we need a broader look at the NHS rather than use it a a political point scoring vehicle , for me we should impose :

GP consultations fee's for those than can afford it .
freeze GP's pay and to pay for more nurses and raise their pay and skills
Broaden nurses ability to provide simple care currently carried out by GP's
Not prescribe drugs that are at the point of purchase.
Charge for prescriptions for those than can afford in in wales ,channel to social care
Group GP's within A and E
Charges taken at then point of entry at A and E for drunks and drug offenders .
Link fire services units and personal with paramedics fro call outs .
Charges raised for motorists proving careless driver that results in medical help
1p on income tax and ring fenced purely for social care

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Originally Posted by jon1959

If anyone is interested in how and why the policy was adopted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxSdHtbmUY

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i dislike this man

I think John McDonnell is an interesting guy not many old Socialists left these days.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

i dislike this man

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Yes, I think you're right. Corbyn is just a nutter, but this guy is quite sinister.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

I think John McDonnell is an interesting guy not many old Socialists left these days.

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You say that like its a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

i dislike this man

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Isn't life odd? I love him and find him captivating.

So in the last 24 hours the Conservatives have tried to trick the hard of thinking (i.e. their intended base) into believing they are an independent fact checker and have now banned one of the few newspapers who are critical of them from the 'battle bus'.

This doesn't feel quite right to me.

Then you have Priti Patel on the news telling some flabbergasted interviewer that you can't blame the government for poverty, lets put aside whether we are talking about absolute poverty or relative poverty (as this always comes up) and just take a minute to digest that.

Herein lies the problem with the Conservative party these days, if they were in favour of a small state and low taxes I could stomach that as filling a gap in political landscape. Their leader has made a career out of not taking responsibility for anything so it is no real surprise that they want to promise the earth to win elections but then take no responsibility for the outcomes their incompetence inflicts on the people who they are supposed to lead.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

So in the last 24 hours the Conservatives have tried to trick the hard of thinking (i.e. their intended base) into believing they are an independent fact checker and have now banned one of the few newspapers who are critical of them from the 'battle bus'.

This doesn't feel quite right to me.

Then you have Priti Patel on the news telling some flabbergasted interviewer that you can't blame the government for poverty, lets put aside whether we are talking about absolute poverty or relative poverty (as this always comes up) and just take a minute to digest that.

Herein lies the problem with the Conservative party these days, if they were in favour of a small state and low taxes I could stomach that as filling a gap in political landscape. Their leader has made a career out of not taking responsibility for anything so it is no real surprise that they want to promise the earth to win elections but then take no responsibility for the outcomes their incompetence inflicts on the people who they are supposed to lead.

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They're all self seeking twats Eric. The last man to enter parliament with a good idea and clear intentions was Guy Fawkes.

Actually I think the whole system of democracy is in its last throws and we're getting closer to the tyranny phase of Plato's observations.

That aside, the most intelligent thing we can do in the mean time is vote for whichever bunch of crooks we think will further their own interests in a way which is least harmful to the people and the country.