So who are you voting for then ? Cards on the table

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They have no chance whatsoever of achieving their aim , which is an independent Wales, I wouldn't be surprised if their share of the vote goes down

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Support for it is growing, there's been 3 marches in the past year each one attracting thousands of people and polling is showing support at around 25%, with one poll getting 33%

But you're right, let's all just vote Labour again, because its worked so well these past few decades

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Originally Posted by City123

Support for it is growing, there's been 3 marches in the past year each one attracting thousands of people and polling is showing support at around 25%, with one poll getting 33%

But you're right, let's all just vote Labour again, because its worked so well these past few decades

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Labours management of Wales is not great , but that doesn't matter as they are our favourite team.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

So the alternative would be to get more public ownership of land and assets?

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Yes very federalist someone has to.own something though , the clever ownership trick is to make it prosper without government control and tax payers burden , and to spread that wealth to the needy in society .

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Originally Posted by City123

Support for it is growing, there's been 3 marches in the past year each one attracting thousands of people and polling is showing support at around 25%, with one poll getting 33%

But you're right, let's all just vote Labour again, because its worked so well these past few decades

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I am not saying labour is the answer but its better than the Tories

And that's what its looks like we are getting

You have no chance of increasing the plaid cymru influence in Wales really

Confronted with the shambles of successive Tory governments over the last decade to enter a general election with them 10pc ahead in the polls either the general public or other political parties have lost their head. For me it's the latter. The Jeremy Corbyn Labour Party has been the most ineffectual and ineffective opposition to the chaos and embarrassment that has been perpetrated in our country's name over the last 4 years.

In sadness quite a bit of me wants Johnson to own the bullshit and false get it done hope he is pedalling so he can be held to account for the snake oil salesman he is, Still I owe it to my kids to try and register a vote that tries to give them the best future. Strangely in my constituency that means voting for the Labour candidate. Most of my life that would have been done willingly rather than reluctantly. If one outcome of the election is that Corbyn falls on his sword then it won't be a total disaster for me.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Confronted with the shambles of successive Tory governments over the last decade to enter a general election with them 10pc ahead in the polls either the general public or other political parties have lost their head. For me it's the latter. The Jeremy Corbyn Labour Party has been the most ineffectual and ineffective opposition to the chaos and embarrassment that has been perpetrated in our country's name over the last 4 years.

In sadness quite a bit of me wants Johnson to own the bullshit and false get it done hope he is pedalling so he can be held to account for the snake oil salesman he is, Still I owe it to my kids to try and register a vote that tries to give them the best future. Strangely in my constituency that means voting for the Labour candidate. Most of my life that would have been done willingly rather than reluctantly. If one outcome of the election is that Corbyn falls on his sword then it won't be a total disaster for me.

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Broadly speaking, I agree with that, but I'm still struggling to bring myself around to voting Labour.

Sadly, I'm 100 per cent in the category discussed on Newsnight last night whose vote is going to be cast on the negative basis of trying to prevent a party from forming a majority Government rather than the positive approach which should, surely, be the way to go.

Yesterday's events gave us an insight into Johnson's character with the manner in which he sought to "deal" with awkward questioning (what on earth was he thinking of?) and his party's response to the situation as they tried to fabricate a story about a punch being thrown at one of their staff tells you all you need to know about the lowlife in high places of the what's in it for me party.

Backed by compliant political correspondents at the BBC and ITV, the lie would have been accepted as fact if the "punch" had not been filmed and, instead of nothing whatsoever appearing on the front pages of the Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express and Sun about what is being called Johnson's most awkward day of the campaign so far, those papers would have, doubtless, had lurid headlines about the assault on one of Matt Hancock's team plastered over their front pages.

There was a discussion on polling on Radio 5 I listened to yesterday and the thing which surprised me the most was that, apparently, 40 per cent of those who are going to vote were unable to name a single issue or event that had surfaced during the election campaign. That, for me, goes to the heart of why I think we're going to get a majority Conservative Government come Friday, but I live in a small amount of hope that the UK electorate will restore my faith in them and evict this disgrace of a Prime Minister and the party of spivs, shysters and no mark opportunists he leads.

Lib Dems tactically.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Broadly speaking, I agree with that, but I'm still struggling to bring myself around to voting Labour.

Sadly, I'm 100 per cent in the category discussed on Newsnight last night whose vote is going to be cast on the negative basis of trying to prevent a party from forming a majority Government rather than the positive approach which should, surely, be the way to go.

Yesterday's events gave us an insight into Johnson's character with the manner in which he sought to "deal" with awkward questioning (what on earth was he thinking of?) and his party's response to the situation as they tried to fabricate a story about a punch being thrown at one of their staff tells you all you need to know about the lowlife in high places of the what's in it for me party.

Backed by compliant political correspondents at the BBC and ITV, the lie would have been accepted as fact if the "punch" had not been filmed and, instead of nothing whatsoever appearing on the front pages of the Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express and Sun about what is being called Johnson's most awkward day of the campaign so far, those papers would have, doubtless, had lurid headlines about the assault on one of Matt Hancock's team plastered over their front pages.

There was a discussion on polling on Radio 5 I listened to yesterday and the thing which surprised me the most was that, apparently, 40 per cent of those who are going to vote were unable to name a single issue or event that had surfaced during the election campaign. That, for me, goes to the heart of why I think we're going to get a majority Conservative Government come Friday, but I live in a small amount of hope that the UK electorate will restore my faith in them and evict this disgrace of a Prime Minister and the party of spivs, shysters and no mark opportunists he leads.

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Do you want a hung parliament rather than our disgrace of a leader of the opposition and his shower?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Do you want a hung parliament rather than our disgrace of a leader of the opposition and his shower?

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Given a choice of Labour or Tory, it's Labour every day of the week - the fact that I'm still unsure whether to vote for them yet tells you what I think of the choice on offer mind.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Given a choice of Labour or Tory, it's Labour every day of the week - the fact that I'm still unsure whether to vote for them yet tells you what I think of the choice on offer mind.

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Corbyn and his team are crap , the liberals are useless but even a fractured rainbow alliance is better than the lying tories from local representatives to the prime minister to the tory media , tosses the lot of them

But it's too late now , it's going to be a tory majority and those idiots in bridgend who vote tory wont get any sympathy from me when they have to go for advice from the council for housing or the local citizens advice bureau for help with their benefits after they have lost their job , only to find it's been shut due to tory central government cuts , no sympathy at all

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Corbyn and his team are crap , the liberals are useless but even a fractured rainbow alliance is better than the lying tories from local representatives to the prime minister to the tory media , tosses the lot of them

But it's too late now , it's going to be a tory majority and those idiots in bridgend who vote tory wont get any sympathy from me when they have to go for advice from the council for housing or the local citizens advice bureau for help with their benefits after they have lost their job , only to find it's been shut due to tory central government cuts , no sympathy at all

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I think it will be far closer than you seem to think, the polls of Brexit and Trump blow the polls out of the water, Labour are in still in it irrespective of how ineffective their campaign has been, and the rejection by many traditional labour voters who will reject Corbyn on Thursday, millions of undecided may swing it on the day.
I do think it will be Boris but,
Keep the Faith :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Confronted with the shambles of successive Tory governments over the last decade to enter a general election with them 10pc ahead in the polls either the general public or other political parties have lost their head. For me it's the latter. The Jeremy Corbyn Labour Party has been the most ineffectual and ineffective opposition to the chaos and embarrassment that has been perpetrated in our country's name over the last 4 years.

In sadness quite a bit of me wants Johnson to own the bullshit and false get it done hope he is pedalling so he can be held to account for the snake oil salesman he is, Still I owe it to my kids to try and register a vote that tries to give them the best future. Strangely in my constituency that means voting for the Labour candidate. Most of my life that would have been done willingly rather than reluctantly. If one outcome of the election is that Corbyn falls on his sword then it won't be a total disaster for me.

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Sadly I think a lot of socialist think the same , what an awful dilemma.

For me I think Corbyn created Boris it could have been avoided with better political skills.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

I think it will be far closer than you seem to think, the polls of Brexit and Trump blow the polls out of the water, Labour are in still in it irrespective of how ineffective their campaign has been, and the rejection by many traditional labour voters who will reject Corbyn on Thursday, millions of undecided may swing it on the day.
I do think it will be Boris but,
Keep the Faith :thumbup:

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I see the labour shadow health secretary has been caught out bad mouthing corbyn to a tory mate who has broadcast their recorded phone conversation

What an arsehole and the final nail in Corbyn's coffin

What a shambles of a party we have become

The much anticipated Yougov mega-poll was published earlier. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-latest-polls

To save clicking the link, the numbers equate to Tory 43% of the vote for 339 seats and an overall majority of 28; Labour on 34% and 231 seats.

In answer to the OP, it's the Monster Raving Loony Party for me. I'll leave it to our readers to decide whether that's the Conservatives or Labour.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

The much anticipated Yougov mega-poll was published earlier. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-latest-polls

To save clicking the link, the numbers equate to Tory 43% of the vote for 339 seats and an overall majority of 28; Labour on 34% and 231 seats.

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People not clicking the link may want to know that the poll also says that another hung Parliament is within its margins of error, so anyone thinking of voting to keep the Torys from forming a majority Government should bear that in mind.

Polls have been wrong longer than many people can recall. Prior to the 1992 General Election Labour were ahead, albeit slightly, in virtually every one published in the lead up then the BBC exit poll published on the stroke of 10pm forecast a Tory overall majority and were bang on with the numbers. Each GE since then it was also unerringly accurate.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Corbyn and his team are crap , the liberals are useless but even a fractured rainbow alliance is better than the lying tories from local representatives to the prime minister to the tory media , tosses the lot of them

But it's too late now , it's going to be a tory majority and those idiots in bridgend who vote tory wont get any sympathy from me when they have to go for advice from the council for housing or the local citizens advice bureau for help with their benefits after they have lost their job , only to find it's been shut due to tory central government cuts , no sympathy at all

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The tories have to realise that if they win they are on borrowed time.

This is really a one off election. A lot will be voting to "Get Brexit Done" (sorry won't say it again!) or because they dislike Jeremy Corbyn more than Boris Johnson. And a lot will probably be long term Labour voters.

However in 5 years time it will be different. Brexit will be done (hopefully!) and if Labour has any sense it will have a leader who is more appealing to the voters and a more realistic manifesto.

If the tories do not improve in areas like Universal Credit, Social Care and the NHS they could well be annihilated next time around.

If both main parties don't see sense I can see some new central grouping emerging to challenge both of them.

With more regret than ever and in large part because I cannot stand Corbyn I am therefore voting Tory again this time round.

But things have to change

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

The tories have to realise that if they win they are on borrowed time.

This is really a one off election. A lot will be voting to "Get Brexit Done" (sorry won't say it again!) or because they dislike Jeremy Corbyn more than Boris Johnson. And a lot will probably be long term Labour voters.

However in 5 years time it will be different. Brexit will be done (hopefully!) and if Labour has any sense it will have a leader who is more appealing to the voters and a more realistic manifesto.

If the tories do not improve in areas like Universal Credit, Social Care and the NHS they could well be annihilated next time around.

If both main parties don't see sense I can see some new central grouping emerging to challenge both of them.

With more regret than ever and in large part because I cannot stand Corbyn I am therefore voting Tory again this time round.

But things have to change

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Boris won't deliver brexit

What he will do is ravage the already ruined national health service and slash social services

Universal credit is a nightmare but the very people who will be hit by it will be voting conservative because they have been fooled by brexit

It beggars belief really but corbyn is a massive problem

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Boris won't deliver brexit

What he will do is ravage the already ruined national health service and slash social services

Universal credit is a nightmare but the very people who will be hit by it will be voting conservative because they have been fooled by brexit

It beggars belief really but corbyn is a massive problem

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Is it Universal Credit itself that is the problem or the administration of it Sludge?

By the way thank you for asking about my wife's PIP recently. Apologies for not responding sooner. She actually had her assessment now. She could only walk two steps (the assessor told her not to try anymore and sit down) so she should be OK on the mobility side. We should find out soon (it has been 5 weeks now).

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I won't be voting 'cause it matters not who wins in my opinion. Plus not doing so serves as a protest against the powers that be who won't institute a real secret ballot.

I won't be betting either as the bookies have a ludicrously low maximum liability.

Lib Dems are generally priced at 1-3 to take Sheffield Hallam. Be lucky to find an outfit who'll take a wager of £250 on that outcome.

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Now and again they do get it wrong.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Now and again they do get it wrong.

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Lets hope this chap is better than the last one or he is gone


Olivia Blake Labour 19,709
Laura Gordon Lib Dems 18,997
Ian Walker Conservative 14,696

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Lets hope this chap is better than the last one or he is gone


Olivia Blake Labour 19,709
Laura Gordon Lib Dems 18,997
Ian Walker Conservative 14,696

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I don't think Olivia Blake has ever been a chap. She is certainly a much better candidate than Jared O'Mara who came from nowhere (Olivia is young, bright, was deputy leader of Sheffield Council and a well known local activist), slipped through the rushed 2017 vetting processes and turned out to be poor at his job and loaded with some unpleasant misogynistic history. I think she will be good.

I voted as I've always voted for a centre-left party, 83 I voted Foot then Labour abandoned me by becoming a Tory party so i've voted Plaid for the last third of a century.