Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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J R Hartley
It’s not that hard to get out of. 3 teams manage it every year.
and 21 fail :facepalm:
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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Optimistic Nick
He’s right when he says he should have left at the end of last season and I’m still none the wiser as to why he didn’t. He implies he stayed as a favour to steady the ship, but I thought it was widely recognised that we had a squad well equipped for the championship and in fact our transfer market activity before and during last season seemed to factor in a plan B.
Had he retired after the win at old Trafford he would have been rightly regarded as a very good manager for this club. And while I think he still should be, this season will obviously bring that into question somewhat. What shouldn’t be forgotten is the way he did bring things together and get everyone behind the team again after the self-inflicted mess of the past few years. But he doesn’t half blow his own trumpet. I’d love to read his self-review for his annual appraisal
You’re not alone ! I said more than once during the run-in last season that I felt he lost that “edge” in second half of last season as if matters off the field caught up with him and felt he should have gone out on a high winning at Old Trafford before things soured which they did this season.
Yes we won at BHA ( who by that stage I think were shot and were in a worse place than us as a team )but the Fulham away tactics and changes were difficult to understand for a team with an opportunity to save themselves from relegation and were almost like waving a white flag!
I hadn’t been impressed with the football this season which seemed even more attritional than ever ( who has :shrug: ) but i f I bumped into Warnock , I would gladly shake his hand and thank him for the good times , giving us that promotion and for the first half of last season as it couldn’t have been easy dealing with the emotions surrounding firstly the Leicester game then the Emiliano Sala tragedy.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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billy.ronson
You’re not alone ! I said more than once during the run-in last season that I felt he lost that “edge” in second half of last season as if matters off the field caught up with him and felt he should have gone out on a high winning at Old Trafford before things soured which they did this season.
Yes we won at BHA ( who by that stage I think were shot and were in a worse place than us as a team )but the Fulham away tactics and changes were difficult to understand for a team with an opportunity to save themselves from relegation and were almost like waving a white flag!
I hadn’t been impressed with the football this season which seemed even more attritional than ever ( who has :shrug: ) but i f I bumped into Warnock , I would gladly shake his hand and thank him for the good times , giving us that promotion and for the first half of last season as it couldn’t have been easy dealing with the emotions surrounding firstly the Leicester game then the Emiliano Sala tragedy.
Your last paragraph sums it up for me. As a pal of mine says... “they can’t take off you what you’ve already had”....
Other than that this entire thread is utterly pointless. It’s in the past... can’t change anything. Thanks for the good times Neil, shame about the not so good. On balance you were good for Cardiff City
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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Wash DC Blue
I can see your point of view, but he did leave us in a much better position then where he found us.
He should have left at the end of last season but he deserves huge respect for what he has done for us IMO.
+1
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
So now he saved us from relegation? We were getting relegated at the end of the 2017 season in October 2016?
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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delmbox
and 21 fail :facepalm:
6 teams manage it every year
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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NYCBlue
So now he saved us from relegation? We were getting relegated at the end of the 2017 season in October 2016?
It wasn’t looking good from what I remember
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
It's laughable that some fans world still have a statue erected for this man. He had one good season and he did bring the club together for which I give him credit. But he is useless in the transfer market, his tactics are dull and negative, he has no faith in youngsters and is a dinosaur of a man.
He is a character and will be missed when he's gone but I am so glad he is no longer part of my football club.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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goats
It wasn’t looking good from what I remember
That was mainly due to Trollope being utterly out of his depth. Great coach, useless manager. Had a way of playing that didn't suit who we had. Any half reasonable manager would have sorted that out. It's a bit like saying Gus Hiddink saved Chelsea from relegation in 2015/16
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
I think people have forgotten how fractured the club was when Warnock took over. We are 100 percent in a better position in that respect.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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delmbox
and 21 fail :facepalm:
Not strictly true. Its not the remit of all 24 teams in the division to get promoted or it will be deemed a failure. For the likes of Luton, Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall.etc its about staying in the division.
Of the current Championship 13 teams have been in the Premier League in the last decade, and of the current Premier League 13 teams have been promoted in the last decade. So excluding 7 clubs from the PL who have never played in the Championship thats 26 out of 37 teams in the top divisions that have managed to get promoted out of the Championship.
Not quite the difficult odds that people like to imply.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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J R Hartley
Not strictly true. Its not the remit of all 24 teams in the division to get promoted or it will be deemed a failure. For the likes of Luton, Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall.etc its about staying in the division.
Of the current Championship 13 teams have been in the Premier League in the last decade, and of the current Premier League 13 teams have been promoted in the last decade. So excluding 7 clubs from the PL who have never played in the Championship thats 26 out of 37 teams in the top divisions that have managed to get promoted out of the Championship.
Not quite the difficult odds that people like to imply.
And we're the only club to have been relegated from the Prem after one solitary season twice.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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Eric the Half a Bee
And we're the only club to have been relegated from the Prem after one solitary season twice.
A number of clubs, some you could argue smaller than ourselves, have managed to establish themselves in the PL within the 6 years since we won our first promotion.
It was only 6/7 years ago we were battling with Leicester to get out of the Championship and look at how they have kicked on.
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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J R Hartley
A number of clubs, some you could argue smaller than ourselves, have managed to establish themselves in the PL within the 6 years since we won our first promotion.
It was only 6/7 years ago we were battling with Leicester to get out of the Championship and look at how they have kicked on.
Agree with that. The perfect scenario is about marrying investment with an excellent coach/manager.
Some do both brilliantly (Liverpool, Man City). Some do it through getting the best out of what they have (Bournemouth, Leicester)
Others spend millions and fail (relatively)at the highest level (Everton, West Ham).
Much as I’m appreciative of many things Warnock did the one thing I would have no confidence in him to do would be to spend 100’s of millions and compete at the highest level with a great product on the pitch. I believe he’d do worse than Silva and Pellegrini combined, no matter what he spent
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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goats
It wasn’t looking good from what I remember
We were near the bottom, but we weren't cut adrift or anything. I think saying he saved us from relegation is being over-generous. It's like saying "he almost kept us up". Has as much significance as "he almost didn't get us promoted".
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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NYCBlue
We were near the bottom, but we weren't cut adrift or anything. I think saying he saved us from relegation is being over-generous. It's like saying "he almost kept us up". Has as much significance as "he almost didn't get us promoted".
There is a tendency to push things further one way, depending on the persons argument, to help aid their point. Were we **** in a relegation battle though :hehe:
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
We were on our arse before he came , he got the team playing as a unit and strung an incredible string of results together to haul us out of danger
Far bigger clubs than us got relegated from the same position we were in when warnock arrived ........leeds , Sunderland, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday .......all dropped to league one
If they had warnock in charge at the time he would have saved them too
What he achieved in his second season was even more remarkable
He's gone now but he wont be forgotten
Harris , who other fans also had a go at before a ball had been kicked is also doing a great job
Bluebirds !
Re: Neil Warnock on life since Cardiff City
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SLUDGE FACTORY
We were on our arse before he came , he got the team playing as a unit and strung an incredible string of results together to haul us out of danger
Far bigger clubs than us got relegated from the same position we were in when warnock arrived ........leeds , Sunderland, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday .......all dropped to league one
If they had warnock in charge at the time he would have saved them too
What he achieved in his second season was even more remarkable
He's gone now but he wont be forgotten
Harris , who other fans also had a go at before a ball had been kicked is also doing a great job
Bluebirds !
On our arse? We were struggling in the league, granted, but we’d bust cut the wage bill. Hardly on our arse.
You don’t know he would have saved them, some things are just out of our control and big clubs do fall historically and better managers than NW have failed.
He’s not the second coming of Jesus Christ or a relation to the mother of dragons. Calm your little pants down.