Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.

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Everything with you is a conspiracy theory, until suddenly it isn't. You have absolutely zero critical thinking capability! :biggrin:

I don't think he's nearly as dull as he likes to make out. I do, though, believe he's completely infected with normalcy bias and prefers preposterous bullshit - such as Building 7 collapsing as it did because of some office fires - than applying a modicum of common sense.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It's true that in excess of 20k Chinese every day and that a minuscule 900+ have officially croaked due to the coronavirus. If you disbelieve then provide a link that says differently. Not to labour the point but as it's you I need to, 600k Chinese dying in a typical month set against 900 over the past month because of a virus is only worthy of an inconsequential footnote to statisticians along with anyone with the brain power and motivation to spend 10 seconds thinking for themselves.

All who have perished are of an east Asian background. I might be wrong on that count. Again, if you think or believe to the contrary then provide a link to a credible source that states otherwise.

From what I understand Chinese TV channels, all state run of course, pump out advice around the clock to remain indoors unless it's absolutely necessary to venture outside and only then to do so while wearing a mask, or face arrest for disobeying. Also, vans equipped with a PA system tour the streets repeating the same message. It's easy to realise why paranoia has taken hold.

During this winter 10k U.S. citizens have so far conked out because of flu. As China has four times their population it's not unreasonable to presume 40k Chinese have gone the same way.

Wuhan, the epicentre of this virus outbreak (or fabricated hoax), saw large anti-government protests last summer as Hong Kong people were too. That's easy to confirm if you choose to tap a few keys. Now thanks to this virus no-one in Wuhan or Hong Kong dare to speak up.

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Do you not realise which bit of your post TBG and I think was a load of shit? He helpfully put it in bold, if you need to go back and check again.

Yes, but did you notice he failed to articulate why he thought it was tosh? That's something you too were unable to do. I note you also failed to to provide any links. Another challenge ducked.

Today's updated Chinese numbers have been released. Total deaths have topped 1k for the first time and the number of deaths hit a new high with 103 people checking out.

Boring I know. With the median average Chinese natural death rate of 20k per day then the numbers attributed to a new type of flu should merit one paragraph of space in an obscure Chinese medical journal instead of making worldwide headlines.

The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.

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At least an economic crash would get rid of Trump and make a lot of people happy, including the Chinese :wink:

... and our bubble blowing banker overlords.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Yes, but did you notice he failed to articulate why he thought it was tosh? That's something you too were unable to do. I note you also failed to to provide any links. Another challenge ducked.

Today's updated Chinese numbers have been released. Total deaths have topped 1k for the first time and the number of deaths hit a new high with 103 people checking out.

Boring I know. With the median average Chinese natural death rate of 20k per day then the numbers attributed to a new type of flu should merit one paragraph of space in an obscure Chinese medical journal instead of making worldwide headlines.

The much bigger story that has the potential to affect all our lives is if supply chains collapse for a prolonged period.

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Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!

I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.

So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?

Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.

Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.

Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?

I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!

I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.

So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?

Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.

Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.

Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?

I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.

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Game, Set and Match: Lardy.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.

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Anybody this dastardly would have already developed an antidote, so you need to focus on the motive and the goals if you want to look at it from a conspiracy angle..

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Originally Posted by lardy

Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!

I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.

So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?

Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.

Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.

Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?

I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.

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Great idea says a Chinaman. Let's spread a virus that we can't control but which, we hope, finishes off a section of the ageing population. We can't imagine that it may spread beyond those people or beyond the confines of our own country and it will only bring positive results for our economy and regarding the faith the people have in us. Can't go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Anybody this dastardly would have already developed an antidote, so you need to focus on the motive and the goals if you want to look at it from a conspiracy angle..

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Ah, Brigadier Bacofoil right on Q. Given your special "sight" into all things conspiratorial what are the motives and goals actually going on here?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Ah, Brigadier Bacofoil right on Q. Given your special "sight" into all things conspiratorial what are the motives and goals actually going on here?

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Too many to mention, but it won't be covered by CNN, so you are out of luck.

It appears the same people who couldn't spot a plot to overthrow a US president when it was all laid out in in front of them in minute detail, have now suddenly become word experts in infectious diseases, when they can't even tell the difference between the Steele dossier and the Beano :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Provide links? Ducked challenge? What are you talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? It was in bold!

I haven't said how many I think have died, I haven't denied that (completely unsurprisingly) all the deaths so far are "East Asian background". I don't know why you were expecting me to argue it or why you're triumphant that I did not.

So why do I not believe that China released this themselves "purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer"?

Firstly, releasing a virus is about the worst way to do it. It's unpredictable, and it cannot be controlled so they can't make sure the right people live and the wrong people die. They certainly wouldn't do it just before Chinese New Year when 100 million+ are travelling around the country. They can't stop it spreading to other countries and damaging their own economy.They can't stop it mutating and becoming even less controllable.

Secondly, if they were stupid enough to ignore all that and do it anyway, they'd definitely be releasing it in Taiwan or Hong Kong rather than their own backyard.

Thirdly, you've already said they are forcing people into camps while the world turns a blind eye. If that strategy works, why wouldn't they continue doing it?

I know you're sensitive about your theories, hence why you post them in the comfortable bubble of the politics forum where there are some like-minded tin foilers. Why not try it on the main board and see if anyone buys it? Be brave.

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Thanks for that. I only wish you posted it earlier as a response instead of agreeing with a one-line hit and run snipe.

I created this thread here rather than the main one as Moggis created this just for that as he was fed up of them cluttering a board he wanted football based. I have no problem questioning political opinion or social issues posted on the football forum but wouldn't create an overtly political/social one there out of respect for his wishes.

The provide links remarks were made to reinforce the point that 20k Chinese do indeed croak every day and that nobody who was not of east Asian heritage had died. Those who propagate the worldwide pandemic, millions will die scare stories are having a difficult time maintaining that theory in the face of no non Asian dead. At first that was because the virus had an unusually long incubation period of up to 14 days, they said. That's long since past.

I stated this coronavirus is a new mild flu strain and that typical flu has killed vastly more than the current 1k global total for this one. You didn't counter that point, likely because you were unable to support doing so with established facts.

The coronavirus, apparently, attacks what's called ACE-2 lung receptors. They are most prevalent in east Asian males and especially Chinese males. It explains why - once again - nil non Asians have died as Caucasians, etc, have far fewer so can easily survive infection.

It's also true the Chinese government has hyped the threat to its own citizens to an absurd degree while also playing down the threat to the rest of the world by complaining about airlines stopping flights to and from there.

I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.

Incidentally, the relatively massive protests in Wuhan last summer centered on an incinerator. Coincidentally or not, they come in handy for disposing corpses.

Wuhan protests: Incinerator plan sparks mass unrest - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-48904350

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Great idea says a Chinaman. Let's spread a virus that we can't control but which, we hope, finishes off a section of the ageing population. We can't imagine that it may spread beyond those people or beyond the confines of our own country and it will only bring positive results for our economy and regarding the faith the people have in us. Can't go wrong.

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My hypothesis is it's a mild form of flu released by the ChiComs that's not life threatening to anyone other than east Asians and is less of a risk to east Asians themselves than the flu umpteen thousands die of every year when bronchitis or pneumonia set in. Put another way, it's tons of hype with very little substance to those who choose to look beyond the hype, which you and others appear incapable of. If you care to view footage from China their citizens' body temperature is checked whenever they take to the streets by people using a handheld device.

It's widely accepted that during Chairman Mao's tenure their utterly ruthless Communist Party deliberately killed around 60 million Chinese citizens, mostly by starvation. And China is far more overpopulated today than then.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

My hypothesis is it's a mild form of flu released by the ChiComs that's not life threatening to anyone other than east Asians and is less of a risk to east Asians themselves than the flu umpteen thousands die of every year when bronchitis or pneumonia set in. Put another way, it's tons of hype with very little substance to those who choose to look beyond the hype, which you and others appear incapable of. If you care to view footage from China their citizens' body temperature is checked whenever they take to the streets by people using a handheld device.

It's widely accepted that during Chairman Mao's tenure their utterly ruthless Communist Party deliberately killed around 60 million Chinese citizens, mostly by starvation. And China is far more overpopulated today than then.

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I read that Brighton has shut a 2nd surgery!!
Don't look here, look over there.
If I believed in conspiracies, I would be thinking that there is something that the public isn't being told,
however, I get reassured by the CCMB squad that all is good and no need for concern.
I've booked a cruise for May, thankfully I always get the full Monty insurance wise, the only other time i have ever
booked a cruise I had to cancel!!!
back to the dulcet sounds of RUSH :music:

And how many Brighton residents have turned their toes up?

Wake me up when just one amongst billions of non Asians snuff it. 1,000 coronavirus dead from a world population of 7.7 billion (says the latest UN estimate) is a gigantic nothing burger.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.

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Apparently Chinese factories always close in February, so the big tell will be whether or not they reopen on time.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

And how many Brighton residents have turned their toes up?

Wake me up when just one amongst billions of non Asians snuff it. 1,000 coronavirus dead from a world population of 7.7 billion (says the latest UN estimate) is a gigantic nothing burger.

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I was kinda agreeing with you!!!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Apparently Chinese factories always close in February, so the big tell will be whether or not they reopen on time.

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They close for a week to celebrate Chinese Lunar New Year each year. That begun and finished at the end of January. They extended the holiday to all last week when they produced and shipped nowt. It's difficult to determine how many, if any, of their factories and ports are at work today. What they manufacture is incredible; the world's economies are reliant on what they produce. Medicines and medical supplies is where they dominate most.

The Nissan car plant in Sunderland, for example, probably require components made in China, without them production stops and layoffs ensue.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

I was kinda agreeing with you!!!

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Never mind that! What's this cruise lark?

I'm afraid to tell you you've been added to the monikers included in my little black book under the heading of Suspected Tory Voters.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Never mind that! What's this cruise lark?

I'm afraid to tell you you've been added to the monikers included in my little black book under the heading of Suspected Tory Voters.

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The cruise is my birfy treat, nothing plush after last years escape down under, just a week on the med, although couldn't manage the actual date, so will be a few weeks after.
Regarding Tory voting, never, never, never, I've avoided all my life, and now as a non-voter i will retire to meet my maker with a clean soul.

New updated coronavirus numbers: total dead, 1,100+; total deaths during the past 24 hours, 93.

I wish I could find a collated world total of how many people have croaked since yesterday after falling down stairs, choking on their own vomit and, well, numerous other reasons all of which would dwarf 93.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Thanks for that. I only wish you posted it earlier as a response instead of agreeing with a one-line hit and run snipe.

I created this thread here rather than the main one as Moggis created this just for that as he was fed up of them cluttering a board he wanted football based. I have no problem questioning political opinion or social issues posted on the football forum but wouldn't create an overtly political/social one there out of respect for his wishes.

The provide links remarks were made to reinforce the point that 20k Chinese do indeed croak every day and that nobody who was not of east Asian heritage had died. Those who propagate the worldwide pandemic, millions will die scare stories are having a difficult time maintaining that theory in the face of no non Asian dead. At first that was because the virus had an unusually long incubation period of up to 14 days, they said. That's long since past.

I stated this coronavirus is a new mild flu strain and that typical flu has killed vastly more than the current 1k global total for this one. You didn't counter that point, likely because you were unable to support doing so with established facts.

The coronavirus, apparently, attacks what's called ACE-2 lung receptors. They are most prevalent in east Asian males and especially Chinese males. It explains why - once again - nil non Asians have died as Caucasians, etc, have far fewer so can easily survive infection.

It's also true the Chinese government has hyped the threat to its own citizens to an absurd degree while also playing down the threat to the rest of the world by complaining about airlines stopping flights to and from there.

I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.

Incidentally, the relatively massive protests in Wuhan last summer centered on an incinerator. Coincidentally or not, they come in handy for disposing corpses.

Wuhan protests: Incinerator plan sparks mass unrest - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-48904350

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To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.

As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...

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Originally Posted by lardy

To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.

As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...

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I love it when you get all authoritative, but after listening to your BS for 3 years, I'm afraid I have to take everything you say with a pinch of salt :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by lardy

To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.

As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...

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It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.

Not sure what you mean with your currency remarks. I concluded a long time ago you're clueless re fiat money, currency creation, fractional reserve banking and lending, QE, usury, inflation in its different forms and pretty much everything else related to the topic.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.

Not sure what you mean with your currency remarks. I concluded a long time ago you're clueless re fiat money, currency creation, fractional reserve banking and lending, QE, usury, inflation in its different forms and pretty much everything else related to the topic.

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So help a thickie like me understand how China can replace all the income lost by selling far less to the rest of the world by printing more money.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.

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Don't forget the social credit scores.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.

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Yes totally agree , keeps them active I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

If you read the posts properly, you'll see that nobody is saying that the coronavirus itself is a conspiracy... They're saying that the Chinese government creating it as a weapon to kill their own citizens is a conspiracy - which is what Organ Morgan is purporting.

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I did read the post I was generalising about these types of events ,that's why I didn't reply to Organ directly.
I note another posted the same view ,which escaped your eye.

Anyways thanks teach I do appreciate you monitoring my every word , its quite flattering and uplifting.

The arguement that this virus has killed less people than other more normal things (seasonal flu, falling down the stairs, etc) doesn't stand up. The more people that the virus infects, the greater the chance of a mutation. The death rate could surge without warning if the spread isn't brought under control.

The 4-24 day incubation period means we are always at least 4 days and possibly as much as 24 days behind the real numbers. The virus could be infecting people in every major city in the UK right now and we wouldn't know about it for another week or so.

The WHO Director General earlier said "Ebola is lousy, this is airborne. Corona is airborne!"

An airborne virus has the potential to infect people up to 250m away and hangs in the air. Thats about two football pitches in length.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I did read the post I was generalising about these types of events ,that's why I didn't reply to Organ directly.
I note another posted the same view ,which escaped your eye.

Anyways thanks teach I do appreciate you monitoring my every word , its quite flattering and uplifting.

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Who?

Today's new numbers raised an eyebrow. 14,840 new cases (multiples more than any previous day), and 242 new deaths (over double any day prior).

I usually get a Chinese takeaway each Thursday. Tomorrow I'll be there wearing a hazmat suit and gas mask.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So help a thickie like me understand how China can replace all the income lost by selling far less to the rest of the world by printing more money.

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Some official at their central bank or Treasury would create whatever number of new yuan they care to. Britain has created £434 billion quid just as I described and called it QE (quantitative easing). True story.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Some official at their central bank or Treasury would create whatever number of new yuan they care to. Britain has created £434 billion quid just as I described and called it QE (quantitative easing). True story.

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That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.

I've learned something. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by lardy

That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.

I've learned something. Thank you.

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How's the Steele dossier going? Got any more updates? I love it when you share your intellectually superior knowledge with everybody :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Who?

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*Originally Posted by*lardy*

Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.

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Originally Posted by lardy

That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.

I've learned something. Thank you.

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What I stated is indeed true. That £434B of was created in tranches. Labour started it in 2008, if memory serves, the Tories pilloried them, then when they came to power in 2010 did the same. It was more of the fake red-blue, left-right pantomime show. The Bank of England created all of it then sent it over to the Treasury who used it to purchase UK gilts. Gilts are debt coupons which are called bonds everywhere else in the world that have interest attached. As the Bank of England is wholly owned by the British state then Britain borrowed £434B from itself, minus any interest payments of course. The QE scheme is formally titled the Asset Purchase Facility.

However much the Chinese state loses revenue wise from an economic downturn because of the virus they'll offset in an identical way. The consequences will entail its currency's purchasing power declining, better known as inflation which Chinese citizens will pay along with anyone else holding their currency.

The purchasing power of the UK pound has fallen by around 98.5% during the past century. You can check for yourself at the BoE's inflation calculator. https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator

Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".

Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"

TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"

lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".

That's as linear as these threads get.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".

Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"

TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"

lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".

That's as linear as these threads get.

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Well there is someone in this thread who has:

Posted a 55 minute You Tube video purporting to show that the Chinese have been importing viruses from Canada for their wicked ends;
Suggested that their wicked ends also include having an antidote for selective use;
Hinted that there are numerous aims and motives without specifying any and
Boldly stated that anyone not buying into this is a slave of the MSM machine.

Now we know that LoM's nostrils are never too far away from WB's foetid pucker at the best of times. To his credit he often calls out OM who has a Red Pill Red Belt when it comes to this kind of thing (It wasn't a holocaust just some over exuberant Nazis doing the odd massacre, the world is run by Jews (Rotheschilds, Soros, Bilderburgs etc).

But this places him at odds with his hero, who sucks up to OM in the same way as he does to WB, who in turn patronises him with disdain. When all these dynamics clash in one thread the best thing to do is be vague about who the mystery co-conspirator is to avoid a rift in the tinfoil space/time continuum I suppose.