Unite Union are closet tories

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Labour have been worse than useless for yrs.
Corbyns popularity was zero. That fact was screaming out, yet it was continually ignored by the party. Their last manifesto was like a kids Christmas list fo Santa.
There is no place In the UK for extreme right or extreme left ideals. The middle ground is crying out to be occupied, yet there seems absolutely nobody
around with the ability, the drive or the dynamism to take it.
Eric’s continued accusations that the majority of folk are brainwashed by the media, is both ignorant and insulting..
For people in the most deprived areas to vote Tory, tells us how desperate we are for genuine opposition with realistic, achievable and popular targets.

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What does 'the middle ground' look like to you in terms of policy?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I agree. Nandy to be fair said Labour should have campaigned for a softer Brexit.

She for me is the stand out candidate. Starmer will probably win. Im ok with that.

Long Bailey would be a disaster for those who want a Labour Govt as opposed to a protest opposition party.

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Negotiating a softer Brexit was their policy.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Negotiating a softer Brexit was their policy.

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No it wasn't no one knew what there policy was, the leader stated I'm neutral , the cabinet and party split , as was its electorate.

What in anyone's world is not having any position, a soft Brexit position , it was the Labour strategist not wanting to engage Brexit that did for them in the election , Boris had a position did and won the mandate to leave.

I think what Nancy is elluding too was having a strong position and message , neutral does not work .

I still don't think it would have mattered though as a lot if folk wanted out .

Corbyn handed it to them on a plate as the mains, along with Boris as the desert .

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What does 'the middle ground' look like to you in terms of policy?

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Tony Blairs successful polices might be worth digging up .
At the time I'm sure it was viewed as the middle ground party .

Before you explode on a Momentum/Corbyn type personality rant, I'm not refering to the man or the Iraq war , its the policies around health , policing, education that appealed and attracted landslide victories .

The Blair middle ground saw him in power for 10 years as PM , and Brown for 3 , sadly we will never see the like again as the Tories will now occupy the middle ground for years to come.

Labour did have a chance when selecting between the Miliband's, however , Labour once again imploded and chose the wrong leader (gosh this has a ring to it, Brown , Ed, Corbyn , dear me ,what a trio ) anyways they happened to chose the wrong one .

David Miliband , would have slaughtered Cameron , May , Boris .

Welcome to the nightmare.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

No it wasn't no one knew what there policy was, the leader stated I'm neutral , the cabinet and party split , as was its electorate.

What in anyone's world is not having any position, a soft Brexit position , it was the Labour strategist not wanting to engage Brexit that did for them in the election , Boris had a position did and won the mandate to leave.

I think what Nancy is elluding too was having a strong position and message , neutral does not work .

I still don't think it would have mattered though as a lot if folk wanted out .

Corbyn handed it to them on a plate as the mains, along with Boris as the desert .

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"Labour will give the people the final say on Brexit. Within three months of coming to power, a Labour government will secure a sensible deal. And within six months, we will put that deal to a public vote alongside the option to remain. A Labour government will implement whatever the people decide."

The only bit of detective work you have to do is translate 'sensible deal'. I think they mean closer alignment without the possibility of bombing out.

Now, I am not saying their brexit position didn't lose them votes, but it certainly wasn't unclear.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Tony Blairs successful polices might be worth digging up .
At the time I'm sure it was viewed as the middle ground party .

Before you explode on a Momentum/Corbyn type personality rant, I'm not refering to the man or the Iraq war , its the policies around health , policing, education that appealed and attracted landslide victories .

The Blair middle ground saw him in power for 10 years as PM , and Brown for 3 , sadly we will never see the like again as the Tories will now occupy the middle ground for years to come.

Labour did have a chance when selecting between the Miliband's, however , Labour once again imploded and chose the wrong leader (gosh this has a ring to it, Brown , Ed, Corbyn , dear me ,what a trio ) anyways they happened to chose the wrong one .

David Miliband , would have slaughtered Cameron , May , Boris .

Welcome to the nightmare.

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No, I mean actually policies. Which bits of the last manifesto are alright, which aren't? Basically, what does the centre ground look like these days?

You shouldn't feel like you have to reply if you don't know, the question wasn't for you.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

No, I mean actually policies. Which bits of the last manifesto are alright, which aren't? Basically, what does the centre ground look like these days?

You shouldn't feel like you have to reply if you don't know, the question wasn't for you.

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Fully funded NHS and policing .
Controlled Immigration.


The rest was a unfundable wish list, and wasn't appealing to many ,hence the defeat.