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Imagine being this up the governments arse :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
They've handled it slowly and badly, and are still handling it badly. No one is saying it's easy but their job is to handle difficult situations well.
They didn't need to be experts they had countless other countries that had already gone through it to use as case studies.
You realise that other countries are doing what Pearcey has suggested, and they have experts tooQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
a different viewpoint is that we're better isolating those at risk, and the rest of us, those strong enough to withstand the virus, go about our business as normal and build up the herd immunity we are told is necessary. If everyone isolates, then society isn't going to build up the immunity it needs, and we are just delaying the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Other countries out there may have taken different routes/steps but no one will know which is right or wrong for some considerable time so they cannot be used as "Case studies"Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
It seems to be a British trait that we always assume that our people have got it wrong, but there is no right or wrong until its sorted. What is exaserbating the argument is people trying to politicuse it just because of who the PM is. But who ever was PM the advice being received would be the same.
Ah yes, buzzfeed, the world's most reliable dependable and non-political reporting agency ever encountered. Waste of time trying to have a reasoned argument with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Herd immunity doesn't really work that way. That's why we are all supposed to be isolating now. If we went with that plan the hospitals would be over capacity within 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
That's exactly what happened in Italy. I'd say we've set ourselves back months because we didn't act quicker.
Why we looked at China, Iran, Italy and Spain and though "Na it won't happen like that here" is beyond me.
What do you think isn't accurate in that article? It's just summarising this if you want to read the whole thing - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
People need to stop looking at this from a partisan perspective, any government that handle it this way deserves criticism.
The way they're still handling it, especially with not closing the schools and only "advising" business to close so there's no insurance/help is ridiculous.
Riots and a recssion before the end of the year.
Wait... you think that a different government would have the same cabinet and chief advisers?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Mad to me that someone can be so biased towards a certain party that they will defend how this has been handled.
Hope you Tory ***** are getting paid well enough for all this arse licking. Servile gimps.
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Originally Posted by City123
On Sky News now some Insurance body saying even if Government had mandated pubs etc to close they would have been unable to have claimed for loss of trade unless they had a specific type of Force Majeur trade insurance specifically covering the threat of pandemics! Grief, how many of us read the small print?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
That Imperial College report must have come as a shock to you then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
No doubt the insurance companies will be inundated and scuttling round reviewing their T's&C's as we type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Yes they'll be working overtime on it I'm sureQuote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
I don’t know better but there are many scientists and indeed the WHO who do know better so get off your high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Who is to say which expert knows better???Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
I've heard comments from experts on both side who all have impressive sounding job titles and qualifications and sound equally knowledgeable.
How do I (or you or any lay person) know who us right?
Fair comment. I won’t argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
You use critical thinking by looking at what evidence has come before and who the "experts" are. We can't be 100% sure but we can make informed judgements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
And what do you mean from both sides? This isn't a partisan issue.
Johnson's emergency reaction.
Can you please stop going to the pub?
The following clarifies hopefully - though I doubt it's sufficient for the usual few on here :Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
The Association of British Insurers said standard policies did not include forced closure by the authorities.
So, for most businesses, they would not have been entitled to compensation, even if the government had ordered them to close.
A spokeswoman for the association said: "Irrespective of whether or not the government order closure of a business, the vast majority of firms won't have purchased cover that will enable them to claim on their insurance to compensate for their business being closed by the coronavirus."
"Vast majority"... How many is that? Even if 5% of all businesses in the UK had the 'correct' cover but are now facing the prospect of going under because of this, isn't that 5% too many?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
A mate of mine described Johnson’s desperation to be Premier as a dog madly running after a bus but when he caught it he didn’t have a clue what to do with it.
I was just thinking how history can bite us in the arse! Isn't it just weirdly ironic that Johnson claims his hero and role model to be Winston Churchill and now he is at the forefront of his own war but one which might prove much more difficult to fight. This might be his defining moment in history. If he could have possibly known this was coming I wonder if he would have craved the PM job so much.
He looks completely out of his depth
He should take time out , look after his pregnant wife ......its obviously very worrying to be pregnant at this time .......and let the scientific and medical experts take over
Hes a public school boy , born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he should go back to writing books
That may well be correct, I don't get to see his announcements live, but this is an unprecedented event that hasn't happened in our lifetime and people need IMO to offer solidarity, we do not have access to the advice he gets from the experts, it must change on an hourly basis, listening to his direction in the car coming home, he was flanked I believe by the scientific and medical experts, he is faced with something that how many prime ministers have been faced with in the past ?, we have no idea what the hell this is, the measures being taken should surely alert us to that it is not just a bad mutation of the flu, the current death count doesn't warrant 3/4 of the world being shut down, like many I'm at an increased risk from this, if not already being done, the cobra meetings or whatever they do, should be across the political parties with the opposition leaders involved (perhaps they already are) there will be plenty of times to kick him in the doubries and I would/will, but I don't think now it is what is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
My thoughts exactly I've watched and listened to each one , i'm not a fan of the man , but what else does he have top say or do , if anyone things hes making this up on the hoof they deluded or driven by hatred of the man .Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Love to know who folk would want up on the rostrum in these times
Him and Trump. It's a difficult, demanding and thankless task, and they're both narcissists. I don't think either of them thought it through. Which is their wont I supposeQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I don't really get the "let's not politicise this" argument.
Some of the key reasons we elect politicians is that we entrust them with our economic and physical welfare and a degree of faith that they will make the correct judgements on our behalf during their time in office compared with the alternatives.
They are often called to account during their time in office and the way that they manage that crisis often impacts how they are subsequently viewed:
Thatcher was struggling politically but the way that she managed the Falklands Crisis set her on the way to two further electoral victories but then decided that a Poll Tax was a good way to manage local taxes:
Major never recovered from Lamont and Black Monday as we left the ERM;
Blair's aurora vanished when he decided to follow Bush into Iraq rather than listen to the views of his party and the country;
Bush never recovered from looking down on the floods in New Orleans from Air Force 1;
Brown got swallowed up by the 2008 Financial Crisis and regardless of the measures that were put in place to mitigate where most observers thought were correct in retrospect, got swallowed up by the consequences.
Why shouldn't Johnson be judged politically, fairly or unfairly, for how he managed things during his time in office?
My thoughts exactly I've watched or listened to each one , I'm not a fan of the man , but what else does he say or do , if anyone thinks he's making this up on the hoof ,or has a know perfect plan to copy , they are deluded or simply driven by hatred of the man .Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Love to know who folk would want up on the rostrum in these times as they are simple mouthpieces.
The bit that I don't get is why if the EU is in such a bad position is why the Pound has depreciated against the Euro by 6% in the last few days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Fair point Cyril at which my only rebuttal would be, that the above points you make, possible outcomes could have been foreseen with a bit more knowledge of previous lessons (war always brings death and destruction) leaving the ERM was going to be a monetary consequence for most as was the financial crises, Johnson is faced with an unknown, where does it go next, how many will it affect etc. etc. He will not get a pass from me (I have plenty of axes to grind with him and his party) but for this event we are in uncharted territory in modern times. I think i understand why people would want to lump on, the fact that my wife still works WASPI (makes me fkin evil about him and his party(and that's just for starters!!) but on this and at this moment I will hold back until more is known about what has gone on, this may not come out in my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays