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Originally Posted by trampie09

What did they give away ?

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It's a good question, and that's your homework for today. What did they give away?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That's your homework for today.

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Imperialists tend to take, take, take until forced otherwise but these parties that run the USA give things away according to you, if you don't give an answer you obviously made it up.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

When I was a teenager I remember my grandfather talking about the "yellow peril". Obviously that would be a very non-PC expression in 2020 but looking at recent events he was somewhat prophetic; nothing to do with the corona virus actually (he was no Nostradamus in that respect!), but the likely problems of handing back of Hong Kong to China and Chinese domination of world trade, are the two things I particularly remember.

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I slightly disagree with the idea. Not a huge fan of China but I'll list some reasons:

• "Yellow peril" seemed to come from xenophobia, it was used to encourage colonialism of China, then adapted to encourage the racism against the Japanese during World War 2
• The Chinese economy is dependent on international trade and even international companies outsourcing labour to China
• The wages of Chinese workers have increased and some countries are moving out of China, including Nike

I am by no means a fan of the CCP and how China became dominant in global trade but China is interdependent with other countries

I'll list the sources of information, should you want to read more:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
• http://gesd.free.fr/isqu1253.pdf
• https://www.gq.com/story/nike-adidas...roduction-asia

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Imperialists tend to take, take, take until forced otherwise but these parties that run the USA give things away according to you, if you don't give an answer you obviously made it up.

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I haven't made anything up, it's the subject of this thread and Maarjid covered it all in the link found in the opening post. Read what he said and then do some research, and decide for yourself. Why do you need other people to tell you what to think?

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

When I was a teenager I remember my grandfather talking about the "yellow peril". Obviously that would be a very non-PC expression in 2020 but looking at recent events he was somewhat prophetic; nothing to do with the corona virus actually (he was no Nostradamus in that respect!), but the likely problems of handing back of Hong Kong to China and Chinese domination of world trade, are the two things I particularly remember.

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Just read this on BBC news website. An article from the Washington Post so presumably reliable?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...coronaviruses/

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

I slightly disagree with the idea. Not a huge fan of China but I'll list some reasons:

• "Yellow peril" seemed to come from xenophobia, it was used to encourage colonialism of China, then adapted to encourage the racism against the Japanese during World War 2
• The Chinese economy is dependent on international trade and even international companies outsourcing labour to China
• The wages of Chinese workers have increased and some countries are moving out of China, including Nike

I am by no means a fan of the CCP and how China became dominant in global trade but China is interdependent with other countries

I'll list the sources of information, should you want to read more:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
• http://gesd.free.fr/isqu1253.pdf
• https://www.gq.com/story/nike-adidas...roduction-asia

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Yes, I realise that yellow peril could be a derogatory xenophobic expression but I don't think my grandfather used it in those terms, although he would have been very aware of the Boxer rebellion etc I presume as that was his era. He could foresee problems with Hong Kong (the territory having enjoyed democratic freedoms unimaginable in communist mainland China) and also the dangers of having too many eggs in one basket (i.e. practically everything manufactured in one place)

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I haven't made anything up, it's the subject of this thread and Maarjid covered it all in the link found in the opening post. Read what he said and then do some research, and decide for yourself. Why do you need other people to tell you what to think?

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Maarjid is a poor man's John Pilger, you have made a statement and now you can't back it up.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Maarjid is a poor man's John Pilger, you have made a statement and now you can't back it up.

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Alternatively you can just disprove everything that he said. Maybe you will learn something too, and then you can enlighten us all.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Alternatively you can just disprove everything that he said, and that is your homework. Maybe you will learn something too.

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It's difficult to disprove Pilger's work.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Ooh tbg, you've made a powerful enemy now. Wales Bales will be furious, so furious that he might mention your name every other post like he does with me. And this boy posts a lot.

Oh, I see he's mentioned me again.

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Incredibly tiresome to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Incredibly tiresome to the extreme.

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lardy is a coward, and he deserves to be called out after spreading so many lies.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

lardy is a coward, and he deserves to be called out after spreading so many lies.

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Looks like Nurse R will be along soon with the meds!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Incredibly tiresome to the extreme.

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Agree. It's hardly worth trying to contribute anything on the forum these days as it gets buried under posts created by three or four people dominating the threads by having a slanging match like schoolchildren in the school yard.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Looks like Nurse R will be along soon with the meds!

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You are like two peas in a pod, the inverse reality kids.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

lardy is a coward, and he deserves to be called out after spreading so many lies.

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Q.E.D.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Agree. It's hardly worth trying to contribute anything on the forum these days as it gets buried under posts created by three or four people dominating the threads by having a slanging match like schoolchildren in the school yard.

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It's them who always start it, I just called out their lies, and they can't handle it. I'm pretty cool with it, I know what they're up to.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's them who always start it, I just called out their lies, and they can't handle it. I'm pretty cool with it, I know what they're up to.

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Very normal post by a very normal man.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Very normal post by a very normal man.

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Imagine someone pointing out that you're acting like a child in a playground and your first response is "they started it though, sir!"

There used to be a BBC talk show on Sunday with presenter in middle and two guest speakers either side debating a point like "are prisons tough enough?" One of the questions was whether we could stand up to countries like China when they breach what we consider to be human rights with one of the main arguments provided being that we're the 5th biggest economy in the world and China are 2nd, about to become 1st, so we cannot "stand up to them" as much as we would like.

This was pre-Brexit vote so i) a number of years ago it was already known how influential China was worldwide, as well as where that may cause us to restrict UK's behaviour on international scale, and ii) since then we have come out of the EU and are likely, from an economic point of view, to be more dependent on positive relationships with China, India, USA, Brazil and other large economies.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Looks like Nurse R will be along soon with the meds!

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I'll be fair, WB is box office

Providing great entertainment in dark times

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Maybe you underestimate people. And maybe you have difficulty in discussing topics without coming over as highly egotistical, arrogant, narcissistic, dismissive, intransigent, divisive and insulting. Maybe you should consider why you are possibly the most unpopular person on this message board and why you seem to be unable to win people over in a rational manner despite your self-declared high level of intelligence and academic level.

A very clever person should be able to argue and influence in a far more effective manner and to refrain from endlessly belittling other people and from the endless and repetitive lardy/cyril bollocks every day of your life. I am someone who doesn't usually respond to you myself (and only see your posts since I changed laptops as I put you on ignore) as you have misquoted me repeatedly in the past and misrepresented my views. You obviously think that you come over as a victor as a result (not something that many posters feel the need to be) but you should ask yourself how you come over to others and, ironically, how many people even read your posts. I would wager that you are the poster who is most consigned to the 'ignore' category on here.

I won't be getting involved in any exchanges with you regarding the above, by the way. It would be fruitless.

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China is a fascinating country, I've spent quite a bit of time there over the years.

One of their strengths comes from the fact that they don't have a functioning democracy.
democracy is a great system for a lot of reasons, primarily it dilutes the power of those at the top and makes them accountable. If they don't do a good job then off they pop in a few years to give someone else a go.

China doesn't have this, obviously, so there is obviously a greater chance of corruption and nepotism which is *usually* lower in a democracy.
However, it also grants them certain strengths. Building HS2, where we will spend years in courts trying to get it built, trying not to upset too many people, the chinese have built thousands of miles of high speed rail. And in playing the long game they have an even bigger advantage. Politicians here are only incentivised to think about doing things that might get them elected in then next election, so they concentrate on the short term - and not even on what is good in the short term, its what *seems* good in the short term to the general population.
Not having to worry about that the Chinese can play the long game. Take back Hong Kong and Macau, sure. Buy up a load of resources in Africa you don't intend to use yet, why not.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Incredibly tiresome to the extreme.

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You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face TBG.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face TBG.

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:hehe: Very good

Crap Chinese goods sold on Amazon and centre aisle of Lidl

Once we get out of this current situation, will you carry on purchasing the cheap shit on offer knowing that it has been produced by a country who (is there anybody who doesn’t believe that it originated somehow!! in China) ? has seemingly very poor Quality control, continually attempts to lie regarding what happened, never truly informed the world of the chaos it was about to unleash.
I have loads of this shit, and buy it thinking if it completes one job and it has to be chucked then so be it!!, as I usually buy it to do one job!!.

Also, the 5G network, Our government has not banned (unlike some other countries) HUAWEI from having involvement in our 5G network, can the Chinese ever be trusted especially in view of their honesty regarding Covid ?

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Crap Chinese goods sold on Amazon and centre aisle of Lidl

Once we get out of this current situation, will you carry on purchasing the cheap shit on offer knowing that it has been produced by a country who (is there anybody who doesn’t believe that it originated somehow!! in China) ? has seemingly very poor Quality control, continually attempts to lie regarding what happened, never truly informed the world of the chaos it was about to unleash.
I have loads of this shit, and buy it thinking if it completes one job and it has to be chucked then so be it!!, as I usually buy it to do one job!!.

Also, the 5G network, Our government has not banned (unlike some other countries) HUAWEI from having involvement in our 5G network, can the Chinese ever be trusted especially in view of their honesty regarding Covid ?

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Apple phones are made in China, donate plenty of high quality items

hey rjk i see UK manufacturers who were asked to manufacture ventilators have been approved by the MHRA to be able to use after just 1 month . what a great response from UK engineers in such short notice . I did question if it could be done but hats off to our aerospace and automotive companys in this country

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52309294