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Re: Lives vs. livelihoods & a gutted UK economy
I see that some misgivings are creeping in at your end, Cyril. A small but critical shift has occurred at Maison Evans. You also appear to be reverting to the bitter persona of a week or two back.
Returning to those UK economic numbers, Manufacturing PMI had previously been at 48, was forecast to drop to 42 and came in at 32. Services PMI had previously been at 34, was forecast to drop to 28 and came in at a stunning 12. The ferocity of the slump surpassed that thought imaginable by even the most pessimistic economists whose predictions were surveyed. French and German equivalent numbers were similarly horrible and another 4.5 million Yanks made new unemployment claims during the past week.
We appear to be in an unannounced race to learn which First World country's population become destitute first.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I know your desire to see yourself as special and different from the herd takes you into some interesting places to try and achieve this.
In this instance it's like nobody but you, not the governments of the world be they autocratic or democratic, capitalist or communist, 1st world or 3rd, can see the economic consequences of the measures being put in place.
It may come as a shock to you that almost everyone can see that there will need to be a point where economic and social considerations outweigh a residual health risk. I like a good number of those people would rather one period of pain rather than waves where we open up only to move backwards again.
Most people would see that carrying on in the way we were and a manner that you have championed because its just like flu after all would have been catastrophic for both the nations's health and its wealth compared to the alternative course of action belatedly chosen. Most people realise now that not locking down sooner increased the health problem and extended the period of economic uncertainty. But I keep on forgetting.....you're not most people are you!
Great reply, this proves your point:
https://mol.im/a/8249709
Very worrying and sad to see so many deaths and cases surrounding that event
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I keep viewing news reports of an increasing number of people visiting parks and more traffic on the roads whenever the sun appears and temperatures rise. The government need to act by throwing increased resources at enforcing compliance otherwise more British people will lose their lives than otherwise would.
It was reported a few weeks back that Greater Manchester Police had broken up hundreds of house parties. They learned of them because good citizens had reported those highly dangerous gatherings to them. We need a widely advertised free national phone hotline manned by thousands to ensure no caller is placed on hold. Promoting a telltale culture would alarm wishy-washy liberal types who concern themselves with civil liberties and all that bollocks but I'm positive a large majority of the rest of us would welcome the introduction of a service like that.
Perhaps a system which offers small financial rewards for providing accurate tips that result in fines being issued would prove to be a valuable extra inducement?
In the first video below from two states in the USA one official encourages people to film (and report) those breaking social distancing rules.
Is there anyone else around here who would also welcome a new 'grassing' paradigm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me_...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg&feature=youtu.be
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
I keep viewing news reports of an increasing number of people visiting parks and more traffic on the roads whenever the sun appears and temperatures rise. The government need to act by throwing increased resources at enforcing compliance otherwise more British people will lose their lives than otherwise would.
It was reported a few weeks back that Greater Manchester Police had broken up hundreds of house parties. They learned of them because good citizens had reported those highly dangerous gatherings to them. We need a widely advertised free national phone hotline manned by thousands to ensure no caller is placed on hold. Promoting a telltale culture would alarm wishy-washy liberal types who concern themselves with civil liberties and all that bollocks but I'm positive a large majority of the rest of us would welcome the introduction of a service like that.
Perhaps a system which offers small financial rewards for providing accurate tips that result in fines being issued would prove to be a valuable extra inducement?
In the first video below from two states in the USA one official encourages people to film (and report) those breaking social distancing rules.
Is there anyone else around here who would also welcome a new 'grassing' paradigm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me_Kdiea08&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg&feature=youtu.be
Let's do it , let's rat out the thankless uncaring and profit from it .
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Yes, having neighbours become the eyes of the state is the way forward to inhibit those who don't care about breaching rules. Creating an easy way to report our suspicions, I reckon, would soon see an upsurge of curtain twitching nationwide. It would foster an air of distrust and paranoia which would splinter communities further but that would be a small price to pay to save British lives.
From a moral perspective I'd be a little uneasy about financially incentivising making reports as so many of life's rogues and charlatans would be tempted to use it as a money making opportunity by exaggerating what they had claimed to witness. I can think of quite a few characters around here who fit that profile. I don't doubt the likes of Lardy and Cyril would spend most of their waking hours snitching down the blower.
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Organ, you're slowly morphing into walesbales. Just giving you the heads up so you can put the handbrake on.
#lardyandcyril
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lardy
Organ, you're slowly morphing into walesbales. Just giving you the heads up so you can put the handbrake on.
#lardyandcyril
Spending 20 hours a day in the BilderBunker in unnatural UV light with only Youtube and 4Chan for company does seem to be taking a bit of a toll, fair play!
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Spending 20 hours a day in the BilderBunker in unnatural UV light with only Youtube and 4Chan for company does seem to be taking a bit of a toll, fair play!
I gave you fair warning very recently that if you cared to be a bitter individual going forward then I'd blast you with both barrels just for fun.
If you're suffering from 'cabin fever' then I couldn't give a flying feck. Adopt a stoic mindset instead of being a weakling.
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"I don't doubt the likes of Lardy and Cyril would spend most of their waking hours snitching down the blower."
Just the one barrel next time, Mr Organ Sir, that was too brutal!
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Originally Posted by
lardy
"I don't doubt the likes of Lardy and Cyril would spend most of their waking hours snitching down the blower."
Just the one barrel next time, Mr Organ Sir, that was too brutal!
It's almost a belief that those on the receiving end of these brutal punishment beatings have the same gossamer-like skin as those dishing it out!
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It's a little sad but I'm happy to admit that after a week of pubs being shut down I went through Wetherspooning withdrawal symptoms. Now, less than a month on, I really wouldn't care a jot if they remain closed for a few years (perhaps forever) because that's my expectation after taking heed of what Whitty, Gates and that WHO boss have signalled to anyone who's prepared to listen and readjust accordingly. Believing in the false hope that a full return to life as it was before any of these restrictions came in might be just another month away is going to wear many people down.
The NHS is overwhelmed/hospitals are jam-packed message seems to have waned because from what I've read they are not any longer. What's going to keep young, fit and healthy people indoors then once swelteringly hot days arrive?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
I keep viewing news reports of an increasing number of people visiting parks and more traffic on the roads whenever the sun appears and temperatures rise. The government need to act by throwing increased resources at enforcing compliance otherwise more British people will lose their lives than otherwise would.
It was reported a few weeks back that Greater Manchester Police had broken up hundreds of house parties. They learned of them because good citizens had reported those highly dangerous gatherings to them. We need a widely advertised free national phone hotline manned by thousands to ensure no caller is placed on hold. Promoting a telltale culture would alarm wishy-washy liberal types who concern themselves with civil liberties and all that bollocks but I'm positive a large majority of the rest of us would welcome the introduction of a service like that.
Perhaps a system which offers small financial rewards for providing accurate tips that result in fines being issued would prove to be a valuable extra inducement?
In the first video below from two states in the USA one official encourages people to film (and report) those breaking social distancing rules.
Is there anyone else around here who would also welcome a new 'grassing' paradigm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me_Kdiea08&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg&feature=youtu.be
Is there any truth in the rumour in that it was Sludge who was sending cock pics to governor Cuomo causing Cuomo to announce the shutdown of his snitch line ?
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413 new hospital deaths in the UK, the lowest daily total this month. That news is on the back of learning another Nightingale hospital is surplus to current requirements: Coronavirus: Birmingham's Nightingale hospital 'has no patients' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52430855
I'm struggling more today than yesterday at how the government and media will be able to maintain a fear factor level high enough in the months ahead to keep people indoors when they'll be unable to deal the 'protect the NHS' card at every opportunity.
Watching Raab earlier it remains plain that the last restriction to be lifted will be the social distancing one. For as long as that one stays then mass gatherings (at the football, etc) will not be possible and it would be very doubtful whether a single pub, club, cafe or restaurant in the UK would be viable.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
413 new hospital deaths in the UK, the lowest daily total this month. That news is on the back of learning another Nightingale hospital is surplus to current requirements: Coronavirus: Birmingham's Nightingale hospital 'has no patients' -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52430855
I'm struggling more today than yesterday at how the government and media will be able to maintain a fear factor level high enough in the months ahead to keep people indoors when they'll be unable to deal the 'protect the NHS' card at every opportunity.
Watching Raab earlier it remains plain that the last restriction to be lifted will be the social distancing one. For as long as that one stays then mass gatherings (at the football, etc) will not be possible and it would be very doubtful whether a single pub, club, cafe or restaurant in the UK would be viable.
All diseases that lead to death are terrible, but I'm just not seeing a once in a hundred years catastrophic event here. Some of the media coverage, and even a few posters on here have been totally OTT. If Dr Birx is right about the end of May, then we are looking at a cycle similar to regular flu, which is around 4 months.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
413 new hospital deaths in the UK, the lowest daily total this month. That news is on the back of learning another Nightingale hospital is surplus to current requirements: Coronavirus: Birmingham's Nightingale hospital 'has no patients' -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52430855
I'm struggling more today than yesterday at how the government and media will be able to maintain a fear factor level high enough in the months ahead to keep people indoors when they'll be unable to deal the 'protect the NHS' card at every opportunity.
Watching Raab earlier it remains plain that the last restriction to be lifted will be the social distancing one. For as long as that one stays then mass gatherings (at the football, etc) will not be possible and it would be very doubtful whether a single pub, club, cafe or restaurant in the UK would be viable.
IMO, we will follow America and civil disorder will creep in, the two vids that WB posted above, I watched these yesterday, these doctors are using real data and not models, can their advice/knowledge regarding the immune system be refuted? Johnson needs to start introducing the open down, agree with pubs, cafes, sports events will be last to open up but he might have to start relenting before the public takes into their own hands, Sweden do not seem to be relenting of their policy and unless their curve has gone south over the past few days, their curve isn't that far away from countries who went all in.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
All diseases that lead to death are terrible, but I'm just not seeing a once in a hundred years catastrophic event here.
Call me a madman by all means, but I’ve got a suspicion that the measures which have been introduced all over the world to combat this virus just might have contributed towards lowering the potential death rates. I appreciate that’s a wacky, outlandish viewpoint, but I think there might be something in it.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Call me a madman by all means, but I’ve got a suspicion that the measures which have been introduced all over the world to combat this virus just might have contributed towards lowering the potential death rates. I appreciate that’s a wacky, outlandish viewpoint, but I think there might be something in it.
Of course they did and I think we did it slightly too late in the this country .
I would have taken all flights down as well and flown back stranded folk on military airplanes and put them in 7 day forced quarantine
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
All diseases that lead to death are terrible, but I'm just not seeing a once in a hundred years catastrophic event here. Some of the media coverage, and even a few posters on here have been totally OTT. If Dr Birx is right about the end of May, then we are looking at a cycle similar to regular flu, which is around 4 months.
The current 'manageable' situation is because of measures that were put in place. Measures which you didn't support.
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Eric Cartman
The current 'manageable' situation is because of measures that were put in place. Measures which you didn't support.
I didn't support them going on forever like some people are calling for, and some countries that did nothing haven't had a once in a hundred years catastrophic situation.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I didn't support them going on forever like some people are calling for, and some countries that did nothing haven't had a once in a hundred years catastrophic situation.
Who has done nothing and what is this about a 'once in a hundred years catastrophic situation'?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I didn't support them going on forever like some people are calling for, and some countries that did nothing haven't had a once in a hundred years catastrophic situation.
Come on, is there one person anywhere who has experienced a lockdown who wants it go on forever?
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the other bob wilson
Come on, is there one person anywhere who has experienced a lockdown who wants it go on forever?
Bill Gates reckons it's Pandemic 1, in a series of 1001 pandemics! :biggrin:
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360 new hospital deaths in the UK, another successive daily low for the month of April but Johnson says Blighty's at the point of maximum risk - who's he trying to kid?
The playbook seems to entail scaring as many people as possible to continue hiding behind the settee until October time by talking up the spectre of a terrifying second wave.
That script will become worn out within a fortnight.
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Wales-Bales
Bill Gates reckons it's Pandemic 1, in a series of 1001 pandemics! :biggrin:
Which doesn't answer my question.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
360 new hospital deaths in the UK, another successive daily low for the month of April but Johnson says Blighty's at the point of maximum risk - who's he trying to kid?
Who knows, but he’s never going to kid you. After all, you know for a fact that it’s no worse than the flu, it only kills Asians and it was referenced in a prison document published as far back as 2015.
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I'm hedged every which way for whatever may lie ahead.
When I was circa 18-20 I had seasonal flu for the only time. I'd never felt so ill; didn't have the strength to get out of bed for at least a week. I wouldn't fancy contracting similar nearly 40 years on. It's no surprise to me that 90% of UK dead are 60+ and that the mortality rate for those younger is minuscule because it has always been the way as anyone who has been able to filter out the hysteria is able to determine.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
I'm hedged every which way for whatever may lie ahead.
When I was circa 18-20 I had seasonal flu for the only time. I'd never felt so ill; didn't have the strength to get out of bed for at least a week. I wouldn't fancy contracting similar nearly 40 years on. It's no surprise to me that 90% of UK dead are 60+ and that the mortality rate for those younger is minuscule because it has always been the way as anyone who has been able to filter out the hysteria is able to determine.
"Filter out the hysteria".
You thought PHE had put Covid-19 in a 2015 prison health document and you want to talk to people about what's hysterical? Amazing :hehe:
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Ah, Bill's fanboy makes a bow in this thread but not to add anything of worth. It's juvenile and true to form.
https://images.spot.im/image/upload/...4a96ff613fdb2b
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
"Bill's fanboy" and "juvenile"
Still upset, I see
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
When I was circa 18-20 I had seasonal flu for the only time. I'd never felt so ill; didn't have the strength to get out of bed for at least a week. I wouldn't fancy contracting similar nearly 40 years on. It's no surprise to me that 90% of UK dead are 60+ and that the mortality rate for those younger is minuscule because it has always been the way as anyone who has been able to filter out the hysteria is able to determine.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but during the worst flu pandemic the world has ever encountered, wasn’t it the 20 to 40 year olds who were in the most vulnerable age group?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Correct me if I’m wrong, but during the worst flu pandemic the world has ever encountered, wasn’t it the 20 to 40 year olds who were in the most vulnerable age group?
Spanish Flu 1918-20:
The pandemic mostly killed young adults. In 1918–1919, 99% of pandemic influenza deaths in the U.S. occurred in people under 65, and nearly half of deaths were in young adults 20 to 40 years old. In 1920, the mortality rate among people under 65 had decreased sixfold to half the mortality rate of people over 65, but 92% of deaths still occurred in people under 65.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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jon1959
Spanish Flu 1918-20:
The pandemic mostly killed young adults. In 1918–1919, 99% of pandemic influenza deaths in the U.S. occurred in people under 65, and nearly half of deaths were in young adults 20 to 40 years old. In 1920, the mortality rate among people under 65 had decreased sixfold to half the mortality rate of people over 65, but 92% of deaths still occurred in people under 65.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Feels just like yesterday .
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
360 new hospital deaths in the UK, another successive daily low for the month of April but Johnson says Blighty's at the point of maximum risk - who's he trying to kid?
The playbook seems to entail scaring as many people as possible to continue hiding behind the settee until October time by talking up the spectre of a terrifying second wave.
That script will become worn out within a fortnight.
You sneer about people "hiding behind the settees", but you were doing the same thing a few weeks back weren't you, are you now following the example of those across the Atlantic who are openly defying social distancing and isolation rules?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
You sneer about people "hiding behind the settees", but you were doing the same thing a few weeks back weren't you, are you now following the example of those across the Atlantic who are openly defying social distancing and isolation rules?
He has ventured to Cardiff on the bus during 'lockdown', Bob. Absolute maverick is this one.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Deleted by youtube after reaching 5 million views. They also boot any video linking 5g to COVID-19.
“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” Malcolm X.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
You sneer about people "hiding behind the settees", but you were doing the same thing a few weeks back weren't you, are you now following the example of those across the Atlantic who are openly defying social distancing and isolation rules?
586 new hospital deaths in the UK since yesterday, Bobsy, an increase on both the previous two days. You and I can go back to worrying about the invisible enemy.
Of course I'll continue to abide by government edicts. The settees remark concerned those who never leave their homes.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Correct me if I’m wrong, but during the worst flu pandemic the world has ever encountered, wasn’t it the 20 to 40 year olds who were in the most vulnerable age group?
Yes. This is a different virus to that one though. COVID-19 is deadlier to a different age group. Thought you may have known that as COVID-19 related news has been on the telly quite a bit of late.