Will we be able to go another City game in 2020?

[QUOTE=A Quiet Monkfish;5069983]Even if games went ahead I wouldn't pay to watch football behind closed doors, and I doubt 90% would either. No income whatsoever coming in - football clubs - especially top ones - will fold. Spurs have three quarters of a billion pounds of debt to service

With you on this, for me football, without fans, is nothing and I wouldn't mind betting that fans soon switch off if games behind closed doors are televised.

Shirley park games and leagues can restart before the leagues, just a few supporters or mums and dads, lots of fresh air about no closeness, and kids less likely to get it bad too.
And then we could all stroll to the local park and get our fix!!!

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Originally Posted by City123

And Leeds, don't forget Leeds

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:hehe: they are just a bonus

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Originally Posted by City123

Its purely anecdotal and I'm not saying its completely like normal, but the levels of traffic are getting worse

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There's evidence which suggests that after the 2008 economic crash car usage went up. Combine a new economic crash with the likelihood that people will be far less keen to use public transport until a vaccine is made available, the post lockdown period could be very bad for the environment in terms of car pollution.


Will undermind a lot of hard work put into sustainable transport initiatives and green schemes.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

If social distancing is still in place then how can footballers, staff, etc avoid contact - one rule for one, one rule for another isn't going to go down well. Secondly, by the end of the year there'll be no sponsorship in football. Even if my 1st point is overcome, no-one is going to pay to watch football played behind closed doors. I doubt any club could pay wages - maybe furlough them at £2500 per month. The only people working will be those in the public sector, and who will be paying them ?

For those not working - prob 5-6 million, and those furloughed, paying a monthly fee to what pampered players stroll around an empty ground isn't really going to happen either.

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I suspect that the people concerned will get the sort of testing that the rest of the population would quite like applied to Tom, Dick and Harry.

I think a lot of sponsorship deals are on long contracts with retainers - but with Professor Whitty saying we will need social distancing to some extent for the rest of the year, which clubs are going to survive a potential 8 more months with no TV money and no gate money coming in. I think a few owners may be reassessing the sense in investing in a sport that could, at the first sign of a new outbreak, close down for another lengthy period.

I don't quite get the statement that only public sector workers will be working? (As always, it appears everything else you said is ignored as the pack of hounds pounce on this one sentence.)

Even if we get to a stage of saying "the virus is beat", it would be fair to assume that a number of people will have had a significant reappraisal of their lifestyles. Saving money for the next lockdown, staying away from crowds etc.

I have two worst case scenarios that I am preparing for. The first is that we have periods of lockdown for a significant period. In such a scenario, I have little doubt that I will be out of work during the course of the second lockdown (if not this one). The second is that the lockdown is lifted prematurely, putting family members at risk in a second wave. As you can see, going to the pub, a football game, a meal out, going to a packed cinema, a shopping trip, or a holiday abroad etc are all things that are low down in my list of priorities, all things that I would do in the course of a normal month.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Even if games went ahead I wouldn't pay to watch football behind closed doors, and I doubt 90% would either. No income whatsoever coming in - football clubs - especially top ones - will fold. Spurs have three quarters of a billion pounds of debt to service

With you on this, for me football, without fans, is nothing and I wouldn't mind betting that fans soon switch off if games behind closed doors are televised.

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Have you ever watched a game on TV with no crowd? Crap isn't it?

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

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I should add the players would need checks and clearance on a regular basis.

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Before we have mass testing of fit young men who are basically playing a game, let's hope that we have mass testing of front line workers in the NHS and care homes. My partner works at such a care home, 3 residents have died this week, 2 had suspected covid-19, others now showing symptoms. Number of residents tested:0
Number of staff tested:0

Partner had symptoms and we were in isolation a few weeks ago. Told to drive 30 miles into Cardiff to get a test. My partner wasn't feeling up to it so, no test.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

Playing the mindless optimism card are you? :thumbup:

I hope you are right. An alternative view is that priority could be given to those able to keep the economy going plus their children. Who knows ?

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We could be behind other countries in the vaccine queue too. It is a global pandemic, not sure why the UK would find it easier to acquire a vaccine than Ghana, the US, China or India.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

I suspect that the people concerned will get the sort of testing that the rest of the population would quite like applied to Tom, Dick and Harry.

I think a lot of sponsorship deals are on long contracts with retainers - but with Professor Whitty saying we will need social distancing to some extent for the rest of the year, which clubs are going to survive a potential 8 more months with no TV money and no gate money coming in. I think a few owners may be reassessing the sense in investing in a sport that could, at the first sign of a new outbreak, close down for another lengthy period.

I don't quite get the statement that only public sector workers will be working? (As always, it appears everything else you said is ignored as the pack of hounds pounce on this one sentence.)

Even if we get to a stage of saying "the virus is beat", it would be fair to assume that a number of people will have had a significant reappraisal of their lifestyles. Saving money for the next lockdown, staying away from crowds etc.

I have two worst case scenarios that I am preparing for. The first is that we have periods of lockdown for a significant period. In such a scenario, I have little doubt that I will be out of work during the course of the second lockdown (if not this one). The second is that the lockdown is lifted prematurely, putting family members at risk in a second wave. As you can see, going to the pub, a football game, a meal out, going to a packed cinema, a shopping trip, or a holiday abroad etc are all things that are low down in my list of priorities, all things that I would do in the course of a normal month.

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We're stuck in a vicious catch 22 circle : the deadly consequences of contacting CV19, the awful state the economy and many people's finances are going to be for possibly decades, and the direct effect of the NHS's focus on CV19 on those who are missing out on critical screening and treatment. If ever there was evidence needed that TV money runs football, we've now got it ; whatever scenario, the game must go ahead.

Re. the pack of hounds, for a few, the internet/message board is a opportunity to be aggressive, smart, and be the object of attention - things which they lack in everyday life. If it makes them happy, so be it. It's just fingers on a keyboard at the end of the day..

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Before we have mass testing of fit young men who are basically playing a game, let's hope that we have mass testing of front line workers in the NHS and care homes. My partner works at such a care home, 3 residents have died this week, 2 had suspected covid-19, others now showing symptoms. Number of residents tested:0
Number of staff tested:0

Partner had symptoms and we were in isolation a few weeks ago. Told to drive 30 miles into Cardiff to get a test. My partner wasn't feeling up to it so, no test.

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Sorry to hear of your predicament.

My comments are in direct response to the OP and of course assuming everybody had access to tests which I'd like to think will be the case long before the end of the year.

And when football does resume, whenever that is, how many clubs will still be around? The Football League will have casualties, and below that at National League level and below it must be pretty dangerous for this at the moment. I know Newport County have furloughed everybody but what about the Championship Clubs, and Premier League teams whose players are refusing a pay cut?

The'll be no Sky Sports Subscriptions, less money going to the clubs, no match day income, loss of sponsorship etc. Nobody will be paying fees for players when a new season eventually starts and all those out of contract will be jobless at the end of June with no hope of finding a new club. Wages will drop I expect too. clubs will be desperate to unload all their players etc.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

We could be behind other countries in the vaccine queue too. It is a global pandemic, not sure why the UK would find it easier to acquire a vaccine than Ghana, the US, China or India.

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Having some of the best universities in the world helps tbf

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Originally Posted by cardiff55

And when football does resume, whenever that is, how many clubs will still be around? The Football League will have casualties, and below that at National League level and below it must be pretty dangerous for this at the moment. I know Newport County have furloughed everybody but what about the Championship Clubs, and Premier League teams whose players are refusing a pay cut?

The'll be no Sky Sports Subscriptions, less money going to the clubs, no match day income, loss of sponsorship etc. Nobody will be paying fees for players when a new season eventually starts and all those out of contract will be jobless at the end of June with no hope of finding a new club. Wages will drop I expect too. clubs will be desperate to unload all their players etc.

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Will the wealthiest prosper once again though? Cherry picking players for peanuts from the less fortunate.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

If ever there was evidence needed that TV money runs football, we've now got it ; whatever scenario, the game must go ahead.

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Uh, is anyone else going to tell him or shall I?