This NHS app

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Not accurate on any level, but well done all the same. I think this is the very first time you’ve attempted humour of any sort on this message board. A career in comedy certainly doesn’t beckon, but the change of approach is heartwarming all the same.

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:hehe: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

What makes you think that the government are right? Is it your political persuasion or is it another reason? I'll be honest. You just sound like a government right wing soundbox. If you bother replying, just answer the questions I've written, not ask me other questions.

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The Government are trying to introduce a track and trace via app system that is being used successfully in countries like South Korea as a way of controlling the virus spread and bring the country out of lockdown. All they are receiving is unwarranted criticism and suspicion. There are better things to worry about. Everyone should get behind it. If it doesn't get enough take up then it is likely that in another three months we will still be in full lockdown. Nothing to do with politics, although most of what you post on the subject makes you sound like a left wing soundbox to be honest. I also get the impression from quite a few people on this board that if Labour were in power, everybody would welcome the same app proposal with open arms. People have got nothing better to do than criticise without having any idea about how they would deal with the situation.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

No I didn't misunderstand but you obviously did. Perhaps you should take your own advice a bit more.

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You didn't misunderstand it, yet you said "Apple and Google are not involved with setting up the systems on it - it will be available via Apple and Google app stores only".

He was talking about the other app https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21...e-notification not the NHS one - you clown.

Like I said, you always jump in with two feet, thinking you know what you're talking about and defending your sycophantic wet dreams, but you're always wrong. Literally... always.

I guess we will see you in a week or so when you do the same again.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

The Government are trying to introduce a track and trace via app system that is being used successfully in countries like South Korea as a way of controlling the virus spread and bring the country out of lockdown. All they are receiving is unwarranted criticism and suspicion.

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Let's focus on the answer to the question, not the irrelevant waffle that followed.

There is already a track and trace app that the government has ignored, that is supposedly more secure and is more useful on a wider scale. Why should a government app, that has attracted much criticism from professionals in the tech industry (that you, with no qualifications, have dismissed due to political loyalty instead of factual knowledge), be better?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

You didn't misunderstand it, yet you said "Apple and Google are not involved with setting up the systems on it - it will be available via Apple and Google app stores only".

He was talking about the other app https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21...e-notification not the NHS one - you clown.

Like I said, you always jump in with two feet, thinking you know what you're talking about and defending your sycophantic wet dreams, but you're always wrong. Literally... always.

I guess we will see you in a week or so when you do the same again.

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He's a Grade-A knob. He's also a weird Tory but not that the second comment has any influence on the first.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Let's focus on the answer to the question, not the irrelevant waffle that followed.

There is already a track and trace app that the government has ignored, that is supposedly more secure and is more useful on a wider scale. Why should a government app, that has attracted much criticism from professionals in the tech industry (that you, with no qualifications, have dismissed due to political loyalty instead of factual knowledge), be better?

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Firstly how do you know what qualifications I have to comment and what gives you the right to decide who comments or not ? Who are you to decide that the Governments preferred system is inferior anyway. What factual knowledge are you basing your opinion on. All your posts are politically biased against the Government, so right back at you with all that crap. I was giving my opinions and you and a few others don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

He's a Grade-A knob. He's also a weird Tory but not that the second comment has any influence on the first.

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Christ - you two should get married. I am sorry, I didn't realise that anyone who liked Neil Warnock or voted anything other than Socialist wasn't allowed to post on this board.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Christ - you two should get married. I am sorry, I didn't realise that anyone who liked Neil Warnock or voted anything other than Socialist wasn't allowed to post on this board.

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:hehe: I notice that you may have "accidentally" neglected to respond to my post this time, dml... Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

There is already a track and trace app that the government has ignored, that is supposedly more secure and is more useful on a wider scale. Why should a government app, that has attracted much criticism from professionals in the tech industry (that you, with no qualifications, have dismissed due to political loyalty instead of factual knowledge), be better?

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Exactly, this is the question that's making me wonder. "Britain does it it's own way" hasn't really gone too well since the beginning of this with the herd immunity debacle. I wonder if dml1954 would admit that that idea was one of the all time worst or do we all blindly follow the government retrospectively as well

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

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I think I read on the BBC that it's 80%. They said as a comparison that 67% of the population have Whattsapp downloaded

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Firstly how do you know what qualifications I have to comment and what gives you the right to decide who comments or not ? Who are you to decide that the Governments preferred system is inferior anyway. What factual knowledge are you basing your opinion on. All your posts are politically biased against the Government, so right back at you with all that crap. I was giving my opinions and you and a few others don't like it.

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WTF?

How do I know what qualifications you have? I don't. That's why I asked. That's what I do if I don't know something. I try and find out from source.

What knowledge do I have that a government's preferred system is inferior? Just comments from very knowledgable tech guys on a world leading tech site. What knowledge do you have that the government's system is superior? Please answer from a position of knowledge or reference point of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Exactly, this is the question that's making me wonder. "Britain does it it's own way" hasn't really gone too well since the beginning of this with the herd immunity debacle. I wonder if dml1954 would admit that that idea was one of the all time worst or do we all blindly follow the government retrospectively as well

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If the government told us to insert watermelons up our arse as tracking mechanisms he'd agree with it, once he'd pulled the Dominic Cummings dildo out first.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I think I read on the BBC that it's 80%. They said as a comparison that 67% of the population have Whattsapp downloaded

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I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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Agreed. The only way there could be a target for the app is for people to know not to go to certain areas.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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I agree that 80% is unrealistic, it says here that Whattsapp's "reach" is 67% though

https://ukom.uk.net/insights/172-wha...k-audience.php

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I agree that 80% is unrealistic, it says here that Whattsapp's "reach" is 67% though

https://ukom.uk.net/insights/172-wha...k-audience.php

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I read the BBC piece just now. It says it would need 80% of UK smartphone users which apparently equates to 60% of the population. Good luck to them with that.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I read the BBC piece just now. It says it would need 80% of UK smartphone users which apparently equates to 60% of the population. Good luck to them with that.

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Ah ok, yeah still a big ask

Hopefully people will download it and it may save life or two ( sorry for my positivness )

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Hopefully people will download it and it may save life or two ( sorry for my positivness )

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Or people could download something better that would be of benefit not to Britain but further afield as well.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I am probably going to steer clear of the app. Open to abuse from edgy teenagers, privacy concerns from a lot of those pesky experts and potentially considered illegal. Also I don't really go anywhere anyway.

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You need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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Operation 'shame everybody who won't download because they have legitimate unanswered concerns' isn't in full swing yet though.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You need to get out more.

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That is my main concern, im embarrassed Dom and gchq will laugh at how few contacts I have 🙁

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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Too low or high?

Quick look at my contacts. Out of 96 , 72 have Whats App.

Im not convinced that there will be as many downloading this app though.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I wonder how such a figure is obtained? Personally, I find 67% with WhatsApp very difficult to believe. I also think a target of 80% for the Covid-19 app is unrealistic.

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56% is a figure quoted by a body of Oxford University academics advising NHSX: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52294896

Mentioned in that article is the fact that only 12% of the population of Singapore used a similar tracking system - and that country is arguably more compliant than the UK population and at least as IT savvy, I would guess.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

The Government are trying to introduce a track and trace via app system that is being used successfully in countries like South Korea as a way of controlling the virus spread and bring the country out of lockdown. All they are receiving is unwarranted criticism and suspicion. There are better things to worry about. Everyone should get behind it. If it doesn't get enough take up then it is likely that in another three months we will still be in full lockdown. Nothing to do with politics, although most of what you post on the subject makes you sound like a left wing soundbox to be honest. I also get the impression from quite a few people on this board that if Labour were in power, everybody would welcome the same app proposal with open arms. People have got nothing better to do than criticise without having any idea about how they would deal with the situation.

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I was listening to a specialist in the sort of tech involved being interviewed on 5 Live yesterday about the app. She was concerned that the Government were trying to run before they could walk on this subject and that the App needed to be part of coordinated plan which she said was not in place yet and she also thought there would be problems because the app used a system that only the French one would be compatible with thereby putting us out of step with most other countries who were using a different system.

I don't know enough about the App to have an opinion on it either way yet and so am not sure whether I'd use it or not, but what I do want to say is that this professor was an American who now lives in this country and many of the negative responses she got back were purely because she was a foreigner. There was also the usual why are the BBC so negative, they should support the Government stuff, along with the implication that anyone who is critical of the Government is somehow being unpatriotic.

With very little respect, that's exactly how you come over, your opinions sound like they are based on blind, unquestioning loyalty to the Government and you are incredulous that anyone could think differently to you.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Too low or high?

Quick look at my contacts. Out of 96 , 72 have Whats App.

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Delbox originally suggested that 67% of the population have downloaded WhatsApp, but the figure is apparently 67% of people who own a smartphone, which is more realistic.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Or people could download something better that would be of benefit not to Britain but further afield as well.

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Its been developed by GCHQ to avoid it being hacked by rouge hackers and stats forget the rest lets keep us safe for hackers as states that sponsor such activities , apple and google already have their variants such as privately developed app, Corona 100m, Coronamap.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Its been developed by GCHQ to avoid it being hacked by rouge hackers and stats forget the rest lets keep us safe for hackers as states that sponsor such activities , apple and google already have their variants such as privately developed app, Corona 100m, Coronamap.

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I hope they catch them all red handed, the bastards!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was listening to a specialist in the sort of tech involved being interviewed on 5 Live yesterday about the app. She was concerned that the Government were trying to run before they could walk on this subject and that the App needed to be part of coordinated plan which she said was not in place yet and she also thought there would be problems because the app used a system that only the French one would be compatible with thereby putting us out of step with most other countries who were using a different system.

I don't know enough about the App to have an opinion on it either way yet and so am not sure whether I'd use it or not, but what I do want to say is that this professor was an American who now lives in this country and many of the negative responses she got back were purely because she was a foreigner. There was also the usual why are the BBC so negative, they should support the Government stuff, along with the implication that anyone who is critical of the Government is somehow being unpatriotic.

With very little respect, that's exactly how you come over, your opinions sound like they are based on blind, unquestioning loyalty to the Government and you are incredulous that anyone could think differently to you.

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Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

That is my main concern, im embarrassed Dom and gchq will laugh at how few contacts I have 🙁

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They probably know already!!

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Its been developed by GCHQ to avoid it being hacked by rouge hackers and stats forget the rest lets keep us safe for hackers as states that sponsor such activities , apple and google already have their variants such as privately developed app, Corona 100m, Coronamap.

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I’m crimson with rage at these rouge hackers:furious:

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

They probably know already!!

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Yeah but at least I haven't directly consented to it.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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You (and others) need to find a more convincing attack line. People have very real concerns about how this app operates and the information it needlessly collects. Government were aware this was the case and that it could affect the uptake. Pretending that everyone who has concerns if either mental (comparing to 5g conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers) or entirely politically motivated is disingenuous.

Debate the topic and stop resorting to this childish shite.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Delbox originally suggested that 67% of the population have downloaded WhatsApp, but the figure is apparently 67% of people who own a smartphone, which is more realistic.

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Yes Delbox made an error, which The One Gunman has kindly clarified for the group

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Yes Delbox made an error, which The One Gunman has kindly clarified for the group

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Mange tout delbox mange tout

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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If Corbyn was in power, and had handled this in exactly the same way as the tories have then he would be getting absolutely crucified over it

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?

There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???

I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .

I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??

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I made a point of saying I don't know enough about the app either way yet to have an opinion on it one way or another. I was commenting only on an attitude which sees attacking a person based on them not being from this country and waving of the Union flag as an argument against the view of someone who has experience and expertise in the field being discussed - if people have to resort to stuff like that, it just tends to show how weak their argument is.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I made a point of saying I don't know enough about the app either way yet to have an opinion on it one way or another. I was commenting only on an attitude which sees attacking a person based on them not being from this country and waving of the Union flag as an argument against the view of someone who has experience and expertise in the field being discussed - if people have to resort to stuff like that, it just tends to show how weak their argument is.

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any positives out there for you ?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

any positives out there for you ?

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I don't know yet regarding the app. I'm minded to use it, but need to find out more about it first - I was surprised to hear that about it not being compatible with the ones other countries use though, always assuming that is true.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/cyber...rUgxZz6onjXIK4