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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
What about the two 16 year olds in London who just randomly chased and killed a passer by this week. Shall we excuse them too? They can’t have been same to do something like that. Must have been mental health. Must be the systems fault not theirs.
****ing hell, another one missing the content of my post and coming up with their own narrative. I explicitly said that I didn't excuse it and I have explained my opinions very clearly on the subject. If you can't be bothered to read it properly then don't bother responding.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Ain't that the truth , its dreadful
Cancer ? .......oh you poor thing , flowers cards , visits , follow up care
Mental health ? Crap services , it must be your fault , pull yourself together
I don’t think you can get cancer as a result of self abuse
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
I don't think anybody is excusing murder.
People who are ill, need treatment. I think that what you and JR fail to realise is that mental illness is as real as a physical illness.
Do you people think that paraplegics are scrounging off the state and that they should get off their lazy arses and do an honest days work ?
You boys are stuck in the 1950s .
This has nothing to do with paralegia or any physical condition.
Why do you assume that we know nothing of mental illness? It is not only arrogant to assume something like that it is also completely wrong. Try writing that bit again.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
What about the two 16 year olds in London who just randomly chased and killed a passer by this week. Shall we excuse them too? They can’t have been same to do something like that. Must have been mental health. Must be the systems fault not theirs.
Well its thankfully for the courts and mental health professionals to decide, not you thank christ
You sound like mengele
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Don’t patronise me on mental illness I’ve had my own battles with it and continue to, but I don’t use it as a blameless get out to excuse all sorts of behaviour like Sludge does.
We aren't talking anxiety and mild depression. We are talking schizoid disorders. People literally don't have a feckin clue what they are doing. I just don't understand why it's so difficult to understand that not all people are like you. Not everyone has the means that you have. You need to take a serious look at yourself beyond your personal struggles.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
This has nothing to do with paralegia or any physical condition.
Why do you assume that we know nothing of mental illness? It is not only arrogant to assume something like that it is also completely wrong. Try writing that bit again.
Well to be fair you are both acting like a pair of ignorant idiots
JR Hartley may well have experience of mental ill health but has he suffered with psychosis and been hearing voices and been locked up for 5 months in a psychiatric institution ?
If he has he might have some insight into this girls plight
If he hasnt he will have to stop acting like a foam mouthed swivel eyed chap and get out of the dark ages and wait to see if this woman was a drug addict or she was seriously mentally ill
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
This has nothing to do with paralegia or any physical condition..
It does actually. Some mental illnesses are as debilitating as some physical conditions. You have kind of reinforced the point I was making regarding your interpretation of mental illness with this opening sentence.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
We aren't talking anxiety and mild depression. We are talking schizoid disorders. People literally don't have a feckin clue what they are doing. I just don't understand why it's so difficult to understand that not all people are like you. Not everyone has the means that you have. You need to take a serious look at yourself beyond your personal struggles.
Hes stuck in the dark ages , just because someone has struggled with mental health problems doesn't mean they know anything about psychosis , bi polar psychosis , paranoid schizophrenia , psychotic depression etc . People with psychosis lose touch with reality , peoplexwith depression and anxiety are unwell but they dont hear voices telling them to stab someone .
You are wasting your time with people like this , fully paid up members of the flat earth society
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
We aren't talking anxiety and mild depression. We are talking schizoid disorders. People literally don't have a feckin clue what they are doing. I just don't understand why it's so difficult to understand that not all people are like you. Not everyone has the means that you have. You need to take a serious look at yourself beyond your personal struggles.
Yup, these people are mostly a danger to themselves or their erratic behaviour can be as simple as picking up rubbish in the street. Then there's that small percentage that need monitoring because like you said, their illness is very deep and if they're not managed or they lose their support network then the consequences can be devastating. Can you imagine if the remedy to severe mental health problems was a good dose of 'Pull yourself together' it would be sorted in no time!
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well to be fair you are both acting like a pair of ignorant idiots
JR Hartley may well have experience of mental ill health but has he suffered with psychosis and been hearing voices and been locked up for 5 months in a psychiatric institution ?
If he has he might have some insight into this girls plight
If he hasnt he will have to stop acting like a foam mouthed swivel eyed chap and get out of the dark ages and wait to see if this woman was a drug addict or she was seriously mentally ill
Can I ask you again sludge. how do you know this? how do you have insight to her mental condition and treatment? As I already said, I thought all that would be medical in confidence. I just wonder that's all.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Can I ask you again sludge. how do you know this? how do you have insight to her mental condition and treatment? As I already said, I thought all that would be medical in confidence. I just wonder that's all.
He hasn't said that he has information on this womens Mental Health situation. He's pulling Hartley for his generalisation towards Mental Health.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I don’t think you can get cancer as a result of self abuse
You mean smoking ? Or cancer of the liver through drinking ?
That kind of self abuse ?
Or are you now saying smoking isnt self abuse or drinking isnt self abuse ?
And smoking doesn't cause cancer?
Wtf are you talking about ?
We still have no idea if this girl was a junkie but what we do know is that shes been in psychiatric hospital for 5 months
If she was faking mental illness she did a bloody good job
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Hes stuck in the dark ages , just because someone has struggled with mental health problems doesn't mean they know anything about psychosis , bi polar psychosis , paranoid schizophrenia , psychotic depression etc . People with psychosis lose touch with reality , peoplexwith depression and anxiety are unwell but they dont hear voices telling them to stab someone .
You are wasting your time with people like this , fully paid up members of the flat earth society
You don’t know the first thing about my own struggles. Mild depression / anxiety ffs.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
He hasn't said that he has information on this womens Mental Health situation. He's pulling Hartley for his generalisation towards Mental Health.
Err, no, he is talking about this women’s personal situation based on one thing he’s read in the media.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Can I ask you again sludge. how do you know this? how do you have insight to her mental condition and treatment? As I already said, I thought all that would be medical in confidence. I just wonder that's all.
Shes been in a mental health unit for five months , it's been widely reported . It's been reported shes been hearing voices . People who hear voices are usually given anti psychotic drugs , starting with respiridone or olanzapine but if they dont respond , and she was in for 5 months , she would likely to have been put on clozapine. When I was in hospital some of the patients were sitting in the recreation area at four in the morning pacing around talking out loud to themselves. These people were not depressed or anxious they were seriously psychotically ill and if this lady was in hospital for 5 months you can be certain she was very ill and was on heavy duty anti psychotics like clozapine .
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
You don’t know the first thing about my own struggles. Mild depression / anxiety ffs.
Who said you had mild depression or anxiety ? I have no idea what you have struggled with but I doubt its psychosis or you would be showing a lot more sympathy to the probability this young girl was ill when she carried out this shocking act .
And even if you had severe anxiety it doesn't make you any less ignorant by portraying mentally ill people as junkies
Talk about generalisation
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Err, no, he is talking about this women’s personal situation based on one thing he’s read in the media.
What's that ? That shes just been released from 5 months in a mental health unit ? I would say that's going to be very relevant regarding her trial
Whereas you are calling her a junkie based on what ?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Err, no, he is talking about this women’s personal situation based on one thing he’s read in the media.
Err, No. If you read his posts he says 'If' and 'It seems' Nothing factual.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
That's very true but it's clear that this young woman had a severe mental illness , she had just been released from 5 months in hospital .......that's a long stay in a mental health facility
Tuerto, he didn't say "if" that time.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Err, No. If you read his posts he says 'If' and 'It seems' Nothing factual.
Wrong
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
What's that ? That shes just been released from 5 months in a mental health unit ? I would say that's going to be very relevant regarding her trial
Whereas you are calling her a junkie based on what ?
Based on having more to go off than something you’ve read online
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Who said you had mild depression or anxiety ? I have no idea what you have struggled with but I doubt its psychosis or you would be showing a lot more sympathy to the probability this young girl was ill when she carried out this shocking act .
And even if you had severe anxiety it doesn't make you any less ignorant by portraying mentally ill people as junkies
Talk about generalisation
The only one being ignorant is you. Burying your head in the sand that junkies can’t possibly be bad people. It’s not their fault they started taking drugs and it’s not their fault that they mugged an old lady, or burgled your house. They can’t help it. They are not well.
Turn the page ffs.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Tuerto, he didn't say "if" that time.
If she has spent 5 months in a mental health facility and it has been reported by the media then it doesn't need an 'if'
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
If she has spent 5 months in a mental health facility and it has been reported by the media then it doesn't need an 'if'
If it doesn't need an 'if, why did you just say 'if'?
do you believe everything you read in the papers? Then again you probably only disbelieve it if its anything about the government :hehe:
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
If she has spent 5 months in a mental health facility and it has been reported by the media then it doesn't need an 'if'
Yes because everything written in the media is 100% true and factual isn’t it.
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Odd how she went for elderly victims don’t you think? If she didn’t know what she was doing. Then being less likely to fight back and all.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Yes because everything written in the media is 100% true and factual isn’t it.
Jesus! Why in ****s name would they make that up? Who benefits?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Tuerto, he didn't say "if" that time.
If someone spends 5 months in a mental health unit do you think he or she is or isnt suffering from a mental illness
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
If someone spends 5 months in a mental health unit do you think he or she is or isnt suffering from a mental illness
"IF"
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
If someone spends 5 months in a mental health unit do you think he or she is or isnt suffering from a mental illness
I'm out of this, going to put my shed up :hehe:
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
The only one being ignorant is you. Burying your head in the sand that junkies can’t possibly be bad people. It’s not their fault they started taking drugs and it’s not their fault that they mugged an old lady, or burgled your house. They can’t help it. They are not well.
Turn the page ffs.
How do you know she was a junkie ?
We do know shes been in a mental health facility though
For someone who says they have suffered mental health problems you are showing extreme ignorance
Talking of ignorance , tell me how smoking isnt self abuse and doesn't lead to cancer , I am waiting for that one
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
"IF"
It was widely reported yesterday that this woman was an inpatient at the royal glamorgan psychiatric unit for 5 months and was released 6 weeks ago
Unless that's all lies
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
I'm out of this, going to put my shed up :hehe:
I am off too , JR Hartley may well have had his struggles with mental health but hes clearly pulled himself together , jolly good old chap that he is and everyone else is a junkie
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Odd how she went for elderly victims don’t you think? If she didn’t know what she was doing. Then being less likely to fight back and all.
You are an idiot
She stabbed several people , of all ages
Get back in your box
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
How do you know she was a junkie ?
We do know shes been in a mental health facility though
For someone who says they have suffered mental health problems you are showing extreme ignorance
Talking of ignorance , tell me how smoking isnt self abuse and doesn't lead to cancer , I am waiting for that one
How do you know? Because it’s been reported on the media? 5 months oh well if the daily mail says it’s 5 months then it must be 5 months and if it’s 5 months she must be this, this and this far gone mentally and must be on this medication.etc.etc.etc And from all that you’ve come to the conclusion it was the government that failed her and not her fault.
So everyone who smokes gets cancer do they? What percentage of smokers get cancer and what percentage of people shooting heroin or smoking crack develop mental health issues? I’d say the vast majority of junkies will develop mental health issues. Will every smoker get cancer?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are an idiot
She stabbed several people , of all ages
Get back in your box
The youngest being 58
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are an idiot
She stabbed several people , of all ages
Get back in your box
Back so soon?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It was widely reported yesterday that this woman was an inpatient at the royal glamorgan psychiatric unit for 5 months and was released 6 weeks ago
Unless that's all lies
Widely reported in the Daily Mail. The beacon of truth.
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It was widely reported yesterday that this woman was an inpatient at the royal glamorgan psychiatric unit for 5 months and was released 6 weeks ago
Unless that's all lies
Why wouldn't it be? It seems everything the Daily Mail reports about the government is lies, so why shouldn't this be too?
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Re: Stabbings in Penygraig.
[QUOTE=J R Hartley;5074599]How do you know? Because it’s been reported on the media? 5 months oh well if the daily mail says it’s 5 months then it must be 5 months and if it’s 5 months she must be this, this and this far gone mentally and must be on this medication.etc.etc.etc And from all that you’ve come to the conclusion it was the government that failed her and not her fault.
So everyone who smokes gets cancer do they? What percentage of smokers get cancer and what percentage of people shooting heroin or smoking crack develop mental health issues? I’d say the vast majority of junkies will develop mental health issues.
Do you think someone who smokes dope is a junkie ?
As for smoking it's as much a self abuse of the body as is taking drugs or drinking alcohol , ask the medical profession who treat lung cancer patients if they think there is a direct link between smoking and lung cancer or the medics who treat liver disease if there is a link between drinking and liver disease
It's pointless debating this with you , for a man who says he has experienced mental ill health your pull yourself together , personal responsibility bullshit is staggering
The lone gunman warned me about you , seems like he was right , what an ignorant man
Lets wait till the trial to see if the 5 months she spent in psychiatric hospital was true , and she had only been released 6 months ago , or it was bullshit .
Let me know when the lung cancer doctors have let you know if your potty theory on smoking is correct .