Who used to enjoy the aggro?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Loved a scrap it the day , there was s much pier pressure about within my environment , think it was a Llanrumney survival gene .

Thankful I've matured since thank god , still got a flair up temper when pushed though , mostly under control now though .

On a personal level this type of behavior was born from complex issues as a youngster , lost an alcoholic dad at 13 which was hard and didn't help . In my view it depended on where you lived , and schooled , parental control , who you hang and ran with .

I will admit to having some fun though

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The first part of your post has hit a chord with me. For some areas of Cardiff and South Wales it was very much the ‘done thing’. For decades violence/aggro/people acting like dicks is ingrained as part of going to the matches. Different sub cultures come and go but it’s always been present.

On a personal basis, yes I got involved but as you get older you do realise how ridiculous the whole thing is. I’ll admit to cringing when I see some I know very well still acting it all out although it’s hardly in the numbers it was in the past.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How was it hard? I went through the 80s and 90s, home and away. I found it incredibly easy to steer clear of. It was easy to find if you wanted it.

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Your a bit odd though

"aggro". Sums it up - screaming, shouting, running towards, running away from, looking for a fight but rarely getting into one. If there was any actual fighting it usually came about by accident when one poor sod got isolated and ended up having his head kick in as he lay on the floor. The other 95% of fans looked on in the same way you would if you saw two groups of baboons trying to mark out their territory - curious, but detached.
The childish mentality extended to the attempts to make it all sound so cool - naming this group, this 'firm', the boys from such and such place, respect for that firm but not another. Unfortunately it meant we all had to watch football through ugly large chainlink fencing for over 20 years, though it probably didn't bother those involved in the 'aggro'.

I had friends in school who were deeply intoxicated with that side of things and for a while at about age 13 or 14 I guess it seemed like it would be kind of exciting.
Then said friends started to come out with really horrible racism which completely put me off them and by extension anything the were insterested in (no idea if the "aggro" was really where the racist shit was coming from, but it seemed like it at the time. Not for a second implying that anyone on here who was into it was a racist btw).

Each to their own I suppose, but I've never been able to get my head around how this is something people enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Each to their own I suppose, but I've never been able to get my head around how this is something people enjoy.

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Sure, you can say that about a lot of things, like horse racing and motor racing for starters, anything on itv....the list is endless.
When I started going in 1987 I thought that all our fans were nuts and hooligan casuals etc....then I went to an away game and I x it by 100. I literally can’t recall the last away game I went to....maybe 2002, Wembley aside.

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Originally Posted by goats

Are you Wayne nash by any chance?

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Sorry, I have no idea who he is. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by goats

Sure, you can say that about a lot of things, like horse racing and motor racing for starters, anything on itv....the list is endless.
When I started going in 1987 I thought that all our fans were nuts and hooligan casuals etc....then I went to an away game and I x it by 100. I literally can’t recall the last away game I went to....maybe 2002, Wembley aside.

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Yeah like I said each to their own. It’s definitely not for me though, no idea how you get enjoyment from hurting someone.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yeah like I said each to their own. It’s definitely not for me though, no idea how you get enjoyment from hurting someone.

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Exactly - I find that very very peculiar.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I don't think Wash DC Blue was talking about this fella's night-time shooting activities..

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He wasn't shagging his daughter, just knew she was doing it.

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Originally Posted by goats

Sure, you can say that about a lot of things, like horse racing and motor racing for starters, anything on itv....the list is endless.
When I started going in 1987 I thought that all our fans were nuts and hooligan casuals etc....then I went to an away game and I x it by 100. I literally can’t recall the last away game I went to....maybe 2002, Wembley aside.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yeah like I said each to their own. It’s definitely not for me though, no idea how you get enjoyment from hurting someone.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Exactly - I find that very very peculiar.

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Never really interested me, yes we used to have a group of about 20 of us travelled away on the “Football Specials”, in the 60’s and yes we could all look after ourselves, but it was about the football and camaraderie for us.

Personally, I think those that got involved in the thuggery were “inverted bullies” and if you put them on their own, they wouldn’t say boo to a ghost.

As for “soul crew”, more like “arsehole crew”:hehe:

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How was it hard? I went through the 80s and 90s, home and away. I found it incredibly easy to steer clear of. It was easy to find if you wanted it.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by goats

Your a bit odd though

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True, going to a football stadium, watching a football match then leaving is quite strange I guess.

I liked the intimidating atmospheres but never really liked the aggro. Seemed pointless and childish. Its always been about the football and atmosphere for me. However, football was used as a vehicle for many to feel wanted and appreciated due to the social and economic challenges at time.

Now days it seems Silly that grown 'men' feel the need to fight and beat someone up because they havent addressed hurt, neglect and feelings of inadequacy in their normal lives.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Never really interested me, yes we used to have a group of about 20 of us travelled away on the “Football Specials”, in the 60’s and yes we could all look after ourselves, but it was about the football and camaraderie for us.

Personally, I think those that got involved in the thuggery were “inverted bullies” and if you put them on their own, they wouldn’t say boo to a ghost.

As for “soul crew”, more like “arsehole crew”:hehe:

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I liked the antithesis of the soul crew - The Booze Crew!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yeah like I said each to their own. It’s definitely not for me though, no idea how you get enjoyment from hurting someone.

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Sure thing, one of the main reasons I stopped going away. Never hurt anyone in my life, don’t intend to either.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

True, going to a football stadium, watching a football match then leaving is quite strange I guess.

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You def didn’t follow us in the 80’s, you say you saw football?

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Originally Posted by goats

Sure thing, one of the main reasons I stopped going away. Never hurt anyone in my life, don’t intend to either.

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So what aggro were you taking part in if you weren't hurting anyone? Am I missing the point? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

I liked the intimidating atmospheres but never really liked the aggro. Seemed pointless and childish. Its always been about the football and atmosphere for me. However, football was used as a vehicle for many to feel wanted and appreciated due to the social and economic challenges at time.

Now days it seems Silly that grown 'men' feel the need to fight and beat someone up because they havent addressed hurt, neglect and feelings of inadequacy in their normal lives.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

So what aggro were you taking part in if you weren't hurting anyone? Am I missing the point? :hehe:

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Maybe he was doing the ol' bouncy bouncy flappy flappy come on en

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

So what aggro were you taking part in if you weren't hurting anyone? Am I missing the point? :hehe:

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He’s getting “aggro”, mixed up with “AGADOO” :hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Maybe he was doing the ol' bouncy bouncy flappy flappy come on en

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Handbags!!!

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

He wasn't shagging his daughter, just knew she was doing it.

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Yeah, I got that. But a father 'delighted' that his daughter is having under age sex, surely a case for social services?

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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I'll take your word for it :shrug:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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Did you used to fight people for fun? I don’t see why you’re saying people would be disgusted by it when all people are saying is they don’t get it.

Did the fighting make it more enjoyable than boro away in the FA Cup? Or Leicester away in the play off semi?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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Bloody hooligan.....:hehe:

It’s one of those things, if you weren’t there you just won’t get it. Some say they were there but they weren’t really were they.:ayatollah: bit like the rave days....long haired idiots taking drugs init

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Did you used to fight people for fun? I don’t see why you’re saying people would be disgusted by it when all people are saying is they don’t get it.

Did the fighting make it more enjoyable than boro away in the FA Cup? Or Leicester away in the play off semi?

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Let it go...the resident forum buffoon winner for the last 5 years aren’t you? I’d hazard a guess Matt has never hit someone either, unless in self defence, is that allowed saint croesy?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Handbags!!!

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That didn’t start until the English mastered it around 1998 I think.....

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Originally Posted by goats

Let it go...the resident forum buffoon winner for the last 5 years aren’t you? I’d hazard a guess Matt has never hit someone either, unless in self defence, is that allowed saint croesy?

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So explain to me what aggro was if you weren't fighting?

I don't think I'm being an arse hole about it am I? It's a genuine question.

An activity for the stupid, ugly and unfulfilled. How anyone can admit to enjoying this as a grown man is embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I'll take your word for it :shrug:

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:hehe:

He's employing the same logic that the scumbags used to come out with "If it wasn't for the soul crew, you'd be getting your head kicked in every week".

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

An activity for the stupid, ugly and unfulfilled. How anyone can admit to enjoying this as a grown man is embarrassing.

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Enjoying this now and enjoying this then are two different entities.
It was a great buzz though.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

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He's employing the same logic that the scumbags used to come out with "If it wasn't for the soul crew, you'd be getting your head kicked in every week".

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you got that from what i typed, of course you did, wouldnt expect anything less

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Originally Posted by goats

Let it go...the resident forum buffoon winner for the last 5 years aren’t you? I’d hazard a guess Matt has never hit someone either, unless in self defence, is that allowed saint croesy?

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never, it was always self defence your honour

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Originally Posted by blue matt

If you were not part of it, you will never understand it now and will of course be disgusted by it all, i wouldnt worry yourselves about it, its over now, everyone can pop along to watch the game, have a jolly day out and then go home, maybe grab a skinny caramel macchitato and a raspberry and white chocolate muffin and from costa on the way to the car

you missed a hell of a time though :wave::kev:

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It might shock you to learn that when it comes to watching football there is a middle ground between trying to kill others for supporting a different team, and skinny jeans and chocolate muffins

My thoughts on the hooliganism in the 70’s and 80’s is that it was carried out by 10% hard as **** bastards, and 90% wannabe hard as **** bastards, who thrived on safety in no’s.
Scaring old folk and kids was a bit cowardly.
Id have had more respect and willingness to join in in my youth, if they’d done it the east european way, where they’d meet up in a bit of country side with no fuzz or innocent folk about, and just have a good old fashioned square go.
Running amok through city centres, scaring innocent folk shitless was never for me.

I was never anywhere near getting involved, but went to a lot of home and away late 70s/80s, and you just got used to it being part of the territory, and planned accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

I have probably been to thousands of games now and never ever got involved or dragged into it, and never had any interest in doing so.

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You come close when you told them nasty kids to get out of your seat though 😁

I was invited on my first away game, when I was 13 a group of boys a year above me I played footy with found out I had a season ticket with my dad.

This was 2008. They were wana be hooligans, wore Burberry, loved racists and sexist slurs and introduced me to drinking, I had not been brought up like that, was a bit out of my depth. But absolutely loved it!

we never really had a proper 'fight' hooliganism was dying at this point in time, just bouncing around and throwing stones/ bottles.

I quickly adopted the culture, and it was my coming of age story I guess, suddenly I felt more confident in school, like people respected me more for having 'tough mates' I had all my firsts as a teenager, because of that lifestyle. beer, smoke,drugs ect

It all culminated in 2010 at Chealsea away, couple of boys we knew got in serious trouble and combined with starting to mature and the fallout, we just all went out own ways in life.

Looking back, we were idiots and wouldn't want my kids behaving like that, but I don't regret it, it was an important part of who I am today. I see groups of teenagers like that today and cant help but smile as I walk past because I feel more nostalgia than intimidation.