Beatles , years ahead of their time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OZqYAbdQc

This isn't their Stockholm show (one that Lennon scoured the Liverpool shops for a recording of). I'm less of a fan of their early stuff, but it's fascinating to see people reacting to their music - something we don't really get in the studio years other than RS reviews.

I love the way they do "one more song", the presenter seemed a little put out by that. There could well have been an element of "who do these guys think they are" seeing as it is very early in their career. It's amazing to think that, within 3 years, their music takes a new course from copying the music of the day, to setting the music of the day.

I agree that their early stuff wasn't as good. After "Love Me Do" they seemed to go downhill but their later stuff is well ahead of their time.

Day tripper is a heavy song

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Day tripper is a heavy song

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What's your thoughts on "I want you (She's so Heavy)" and "Helter Skelter"?

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

...goes on one verse too many

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What's wrong with that? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Seen them a few times. They put on an amazing show.

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I'm surprised you can remember, you must be about 80 now :hehe:

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

What's wrong with that? :shrug:

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I'd like to know.

I'd recommend this book for the musically inclined among us, and those with inquisitive minds..

The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles by Dominic Pedler

01. Tension, Resolution and the Power of V
02. The Three-Chord Trick and the Blues
03. The Minor Pop Chords
04. 'Supercharging' a Song with Secondary Dominants
05. 'Exotic birds' no and the Great Aeolian Cadence Mvstery
06. Relative and Parallel Minor Switches
07. 'Borrowing' ... and the Rise of Rock
08. The Modal Connection
09. Descending Bass, Inversions and 'Aug' chords
10. Middle Eights and Mega Modulations
11. Diminished: Songwriting Sleight-of-Hand
12. Tritone Substitution and Other Mystery Chords
13. The 'A Hard Day's Night' Chord - Rock's Holy Grail
14. Melody - Intervals, Motifs and Phrasing
15. Harmonisation in Focus
16. 'I nicked it!' Derivation, 'Plagiarism' and Pop
17. And in The End ... Lyrical and Tonal Movement

Appendices

1. A Beginner's Guide to Music Theory
2. Beatles Chords in Practice
3. All Introduction to Harmonisation
4. All Introduction to Beatles Song Form
5. Science, Surprise and the Tingle' Factor
6. A Summary of Early Beatles Influences

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Songwriting.../dp/0711981671


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Thanks for that one!

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What's your thoughts on "I want you (She's so Heavy)" and "Helter Skelter"?

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Helter Skelter is a superb song

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Helter Skelter is a superb song

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McCartney sometimes claims it was the precursor to Heavy Metal - is that a fanciful claim?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

McCartney sometimes claims it was the precursor to Heavy Metal - is that a fanciful claim?

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It certainly ramped things up and influenced many future rock bands , as did you really got me by the kinks

But metal in my opinion began with riffs sabbath in 1970

Led zeppelin , cream , free etc were hard rock and some of led zeps stuff was heavy rock


But sabbath were the first metal band

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It certainly ramped things up and influenced many future rock bands , as did you really got me by the kinks

But metal in my opinion began with riffs sabbath in 1970

Led zeppelin , cream , free etc were hard rock and some of led zeps stuff was heavy rock


But sabbath were the first metal band

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Yeah, I'd go along with that.

Seen a video of Ozzy meeting McCartney - really good video.

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Yeah, I'd go along with that.

Seen a video of Ozzy meeting McCartney - really good video.

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Sabbath were finished by 78 thanks to booze for bill ward and cocaine for ozzy and the other two


Saw em in 98 at their reunion gig and whilst it was fantastic they should have knocked it on the head , but they became a parody

McCartney has always said he liked sabbath where as robert plant who has an ego the size of a fridge reckons sabbath copied all their riffs from zep , which was nonsense and the first two zep albums owed their sound to the delta blues

I dont think anybody can touch the beatles for their influences on modern music though , once they got over the she loves you yeah yeah sound they hit their stride and albums like rubber soul , revolver , the white album and sgt peppers are timeless

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Sabbath were finished by 78 thanks to booze for bill ward and cocaine for ozzy and the other two


Saw em in 98 at their reunion gig and whilst it was fantastic they should have knocked it on the head , but they became a parody

McCartney has always said he liked sabbath where as robert plant who has an ego the size of a fridge reckons sabbath copied all their riffs from zep , which was nonsense and the first two zep albums owed their sound to the delta blues

I dont think anybody can touch the beatles for their influences on modern music though , once they got over the she loves you yeah yeah sound they hit their stride and albums like rubber soul , revolver , the white album and sgt peppers are timeless

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwfTBrVl3A

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwfTBrVl3A

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That was many years ago but you could tell that ozzy had been through the mill with substance abuse

Sad really but he and his band made some great music and continue to influence metal bands today

But the beatles ? Well they cannot be praised enough