The Lancet fully retracts flawed Hydroxychloroquine scientific study

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Seem like a nice bunch with a strong track record on medical science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associ...s_and_Surgeons

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They got the FDA to liberate their drug stockpile which means more availabitlity for those who wish to use it, which has to be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.

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The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.

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What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.

You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.

You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.

Just my opinion. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.

You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.

You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.

Just my opinion. :biggrin:

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All I said is the Russia collusion narrative was a setup to overthrow a president. All the lies and propaganda can be attributed to other posters on here, and don't forget you were also taken in by the hoax!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.

You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.

You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.

Just my opinion. :biggrin:

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It's just a flesh wound :hehe:.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.

You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.

You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.

Just my opinion. :biggrin:

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No wish to get involved in any Trump/Russia/Conspiracy shit but lets be fair. There are a few keyboard propagandists on here. There's one in your mirror :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?

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Unfortunately there is a considerably higher bar to get over than there being no proof that it doesn't work.

If only Richard Horton editor of Lancet had shown the same righteous indignation when Andrew Wakefield's MMR bs was exposed rather than taking 12 years to apologise...

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No wish to get involved in any Trump/Russia/Conspiracy shit but lets be fair. There are a few keyboard propagandists on here. There's one in your mirror :hehe:

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And you are fully entitled to your opinion. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:

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No, he's made a decent case for you being a President Tweety apologist. You said it, now own it.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?

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That's an idiotic statement and not the way science works. How can you prove that something "doesn't work"? That's equivalent to theists asking for proof god doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by az city

No, he's made a decent case for you being a President Tweety apologist. You said it, now own it.

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I'm not apologizing for anybody. I just highlighted what a small subgroup from the FBI, CIA, DOJ, DOD and State Department were up to, and the role that the media played in it. It did take a while for my observations to gain traction, but we got there in the end. We have now reached the final stages where we find out the Who, What, Where, When, How & Why of it all.

I see one of the scientists at today's briefing specifically mentioned Hydroxychloroquine as as a drug that has been proven not to be effective in hospital settings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-authorization

That seems pretty clear to me

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

All I said is the Russia collusion narrative was a setup to overthrow a president. All the lies and propaganda can be attributed to other posters on here, and don't forget you were also taken in by the hoax!

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Most were/are taken in by Neil Ferguson, including the Government. A cursory stroll through the internet will bring up account after account of his failed and flawed history, the reasons why his 'computer modelling' is pure speculation. But it's his tune we've all been dancing to..

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Most were/are taken in by Neil Ferguson, including the Government. A cursory stroll through the internet will bring up account after account of his failed and flawed history, the reasons why his 'computer modelling' is pure speculation. But it's his tune we've all been dancing to..

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

There's as much space as you need below to list your qualifications and expertise in these matters, and then give us your detailed explanation why you disagree with the most qualified people in this Country.

Then again you could just f*ck off and let the grown ups get on with it..

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You're going to be really mad at me, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

:sherlock:


You're going to be really mad at me, aren't you?

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Not really. I think you're probably just a sad loser who tries hard to appear cool and tough on here to compensate.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Not really. I think you're probably just a sad loser who tries hard to appear cool and tough on here to compensate.

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There's as much space as you need below to list your qualifications and expertise in these matters.

Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/new...te/5365090002/

Fantastic news :thumbup:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ating-covid-19

God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there

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Gosh....where oh great leader and why?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Gosh....where oh great leader and why?

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Tune in to your revolution.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Tune in to your revolution.

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Ok....tuned in....Why is this thread, including your numerous contributions to it bullsit and why?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Ok....tuned in....Why is this thread, including your numerous contributions to it bullsit and why?

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I leave that one for you to work out , as you think you have most answers to most things 😉

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I leave that one for you to work out , as you think you have most answers to most things ��

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This time of night you are probably best left alone with your thoughts as it seems you are neither able to justify them nor expand upon them.

Yale Professor of Epidemiology says tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535


Article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article...waa093/5847586

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there

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For some, the politics is more important than the people.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

For some, the politics is more important than the people.

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Indeed, with most in denial.

To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.

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I think you'll find the scientists are in general disagreement about pretty much everything to do with Covid 19.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

I think you'll find the scientists are in general disagreement about pretty much everything to do with Covid 19.

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Pretty much everything you say. What are the overwhelming majority of things you think they disagree about?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.

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It really seems political to me.

If Trump hadn’t endorsed hydroxychloroquine....there wouldn’t be anywhere near the level of skepticism or backlash at its use as a therapeutic.

I don’t know if this guys background but he makes a compelling argument for the drugs usage and a plea to stop politicizing it.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

It really seems political to me.

If Trump hadn’t endorsed hydroxychloroquine....there wouldn’t be anywhere near the level of skepticism or backlash at its use as a therapeutic.

I don’t know if this guys background but he makes a compelling argument for the drugs usage and a plea to stop politicizing it.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535

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Posting the same message that Gluey did a few days ago doesn't prove that the arguments about this drug are political. The fact that all of those defending it on here before you come from the same side politically doesn't help such a claim either.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Posting the same message that Gluey did a few days ago doesn't prove that the arguments about this drug are political. The fact that all of those defending it on here before you come from the same side politically doesn't help such a claim either.

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Apologies for reposting, but isn’t a highly qualified epidemiologist from Yale advocating the drugs efficacy and calling mentioning it’s politicization a cause for concern?

The same goes for those clowns who downplay the efficacy of wearing a mask.

I’m 100% neutral politically when it comes to this virus and view a united front as the best way for us to win.

What a dreamer I am.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Apologies for reposting, but isn’t a highly qualified epidemiologist from Yale advocating the drugs efficacy and calling mentioning it’s politicization a cause for concern?

The same goes for those clowns who downplay the efficacy of wearing a mask.

I’m 100% neutral politically when it comes to this virus and view a united front as the best way for us to win.

What a dreamer I am.

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The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.

I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.

I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.

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It’s a massive shame that it is even a possibility.
I wish Trump had kept his mouth shut and let the scientists do the talking.

Fauci is the target of discrediting attempts by certain people of a political persuasion and it’s all taking us further into the mire.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.

I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.

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The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is it's dirt cheap and out of patent, so there is no money to be made by the big pharmaceutical corporations. Also many scientific institutions are funded these very same corporations, and individuals may not be in a position to speak freely on the matter. Off the top of my head Ferguson, Fauci and Whitty have all received large research grants from big pharma. Those who do speak out are putting their careers on the line. Bill Gates also wants to see the entire global population vaccinated, and has just said each person will require 3 shots, so that's potentially over 21 billion doses.