Covid-19's journey to the UK

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Originally Posted by goats

People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable.

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It's not the job of the normal man on the street to decide about this though is it? That's why we elect people in these positions to do what's best for the country and they ****ed it.

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Originally Posted by goats

People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable. Strange the government thought it would be too difficult to impose on us and our taken for granted freedoms, yet now the people are saying why didn’t you impose it sooner. A case of being completely out of touch with the masses by Government? Well I never

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In the couple of weeks before the lockdown officially started, there were businesses and individuals who were already closing down. I saw newspapers asking why we weren't locking down. The economy/saving lives was quite a big one from what I saw

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Originally Posted by goats

People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable. Strange the government thought it would be too difficult to impose on us and our taken for granted freedoms, yet now the people are saying why didn’t you impose it sooner. A case of being completely out of touch with the masses by Government? Well I never

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Italy had been in the shit for about a fortnight before the UK lockdown so I recall there were calls for it to happen. But yeah, I also recall that because it wasn't quite bad enough in the UK, the consensus was that it wouldn't be taken seriously.

I wonder if in hindsight, had the UK locked down successfully and then seen what happened in so many other countries at the same time that maybe it would have been accepted a bit more.

But there were certainly people who thought, ok it's happened in China south Korea Italy and Iran, but that's all. We don't need it.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's not the job of the normal man on the street to decide about this though is it? That's why we elect people in these positions to do what's best for the country and they ****ed it.

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More importantly, we elect people who listen to the experts and take their advice. Sadly we've had several years of decisions being taken on political whims and flimsy opinions.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

In the couple of weeks before the lockdown officially started, there were businesses and individuals who were already closing down. I saw newspapers asking why we weren't locking down. The economy/saving lives was quite a big one from what I saw

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My company had us working from home 2 weeks before the official lock down and lots of others I knew were either working from home or working in "shifts" so all the workforce wouldn't get infected together.

Pubs and restaurants were open as normal though.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

In the couple of weeks before the lockdown officially started, there were businesses and individuals who were already closing down. I saw newspapers asking why we weren't locking down. The economy/saving lives was quite a big one from what I saw

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When the money grabbers of the Premier League and football effectively locked down before Boris, we can all see what a colossal, ineffective twat the floppy, cock driven wanker has been.

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Originally Posted by goats

People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable. Strange the government thought it would be too difficult to impose on us and our taken for granted freedoms, yet now the people are saying why didn’t you impose it sooner. A case of being completely out of touch with the masses by Government? Well I never

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https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...466122247?s=09

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Originally Posted by insider

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...466122247?s=09

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Who is he again??

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Absolutely not. I think you're an idiot, though.

Try reading the third paragraph of the report I linked, you hopeless dunce. The BBC article is not questioning the origins of the pandemic. Anybody with a modicum of intelligence should be able to establish that very quickly. Within three short paragraphs, in fact. The article is highlighting scientific analysis of how the virus entered the UK - something that is blatantly obvious but seems to have escaped you and the fool I quoted who posted in the comments section underneath it.

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Why are you criticising the people in the comments section for having an opinion that is different to yours? The two comments you picked out are highlighting how the BBC article is minimizing the role that China played in the transmission of the the virus to the UK, by saying their contribution to the pandemic was almost zero percent, and they also pointed out that the EU acted as incubation zone that allowed the virus to freely multiply, before it's onward transmission into the UK.

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Originally Posted by goats

People go on about locking down sooner now, but at the actual time I really don’t recall loads of people I know gagging for it, quite the opposite maybe, until it became inevitable. Strange the government thought it would be too difficult to impose on us and our taken for granted freedoms, yet now the people are saying why didn’t you impose it sooner. A case of being completely out of touch with the masses by Government? Well I never

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My company had everyone working from home 2 weeks before the lock down and the boss is a penny pinching former accountant so that was very unusual.
People in Ireland were completely baffled that all their pubs were shut and we were all just carrying on as usual.

The premier league even shut down before the government took any action, shortly afterwards the government announced the lockdown but this really wasn't "leadership" in any rel understanding of the word.

The premier league shut down once Arteta caught the virus, stopping all the matches that were scheduled before the lockdown eventually came in - I dread to think how many lives were saved by Arteta catching the virus. The handling of this by the government has been extremely incompetent.

They now think that if the lockdown had been 1 week earlier, there would have been half the number of deaths or less.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

We all have to admit that BoJos plan to put the economy over people appears to have worked out brilliantly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson

https://www.theguardian.com/business...mage-says-oecd

Never mind, we got Brexit to look forward to.

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All those who read the Guardian you mean

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

All those who read the Guardian you mean

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Here they are from other sources mate, I couldn't find a crayon version so maybe you won't agree with these either

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-10/...-week-earlier/

https://event201.com/enforcing-uk-lo...d-20000-lives/

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/in...on-says-443000

https://publicnewsupdate.com/enforci...d-20000-lives/

https://www.cityam.com/coronavirus-u...rn-warns-oecd/

https://www.sharecast.com/news/inter...--7536392.html

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Why are you criticising the people in the comments section for having an opinion that is different to yours? The two comments you picked out are highlighting how the BBC article is minimizing the role that China played in the transmission of the the virus to the UK, by saying their contribution to the pandemic was almost zero percent, and they also pointed out that the EU acted as incubation zone that allowed the virus to freely multiply, before it's onward transmission into the UK.

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The article isn't minimising the role China played. It states that's where the pandemic started. Around 75% of cases here were brought in from Spain, France and Italy. That's not surprising, given the close proximity and close relationship between the UK and those countries. Of course things originated in China, take that as read. On a pedantic level, the EU didn't act as an incubation zone.

I don't see how there's scope for having a different opinion. Virus starts in China, spreads, in Britain we can pinpoint where it came from when it entered the country. It's about as factual as you can get.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

The article isn't minimising the role China played. It states that's where the pandemic started. Around 75% of cases here were brought in from Spain, France and Italy. That's not surprising, given the close proximity and close relationship between the UK and those countries. Of course things originated in China, take that as read. On a pedantic level, the EU didn't act as an incubation zone.

I don't see how there's scope for having a different opinion. Virus starts in China, spreads, in Britain we can pinpoint where it came from when it entered the country. It's about as factual as you can get.

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Also I don't understand why you can't criticise an opinion if it's ****ing bonkers. CCMB has always had a weird thing about it being "an opinion" so you can't criticise it. If the opinion is absolute bollocks of course it should be criticised. People aren't criticising the opinions because they're different but because they're stupid.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

All those who read the Guardian you mean

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How do you think BoJo has handled the pandemic crisis?

Can you identify what strategy he had and whether or not his objectives were achieved? Unless catching the virus was one of them?

His twatting about which included showing off those very British stiff upper lip, ambivalence, putting his own libertarian principles first and superiority complex to the pandemic has led to more deaths and increased shagging of the economy. We’re now left with the incompetent knobber trying to balance the two which I have every confidence he’ll continue to **** up with what we’ve all seen so far.

The thing is I’m not surprised, history shows he is a colossal twat.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

The article isn't minimising the role China played. It states that's where the pandemic started. Around 75% of cases here were brought in from Spain, France and Italy. That's not surprising, given the close proximity and close relationship between the UK and those countries. Of course things originated in China, take that as read. On a pedantic level, the EU didn't act as an incubation zone.

I don't see how there's scope for having a different opinion. Virus starts in China, spreads, in Britain we can pinpoint where it came from when it entered the country. It's about as factual as you can get.

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"The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March."

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

"The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March."

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Isn't that what he said? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

"The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March."

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I don't have the data, but at the time it largely seemed to be British people catching it abroad (skiing trips etc) and bring it back here.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Isn't that what he said? :shrug:

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Yes, don't blame China for the virus, blame the EU as that's where it came from!

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

His twatting about which included showing off those very British stiff upper lip, ambivalence, putting his own libertarian principles first and superiority complex to the pandemic has led to more deaths and increased shagging of the economy. We’re now left with the incompetent knobber trying to balance the two which I have every confidence he’ll continue to **** up with what we’ve all seen so far.

The thing is I’m not surprised, history shows he is a colossal twat.

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Yep. Just worth a quick reminder of this. February 3rd.


https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-february-2020

"And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other.
And here in Greenwich in the first week of February 2020, I can tell you in all humility that the UK is ready for that role."

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Yes, don't blame China for the virus, blame the EU as that's where it came from!

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blame them for starting it but not for the large number of people who brought it here. OK

'Can this thread now be merged with the 'Coronavirus update' thread, please? I'd like to keep the mentalists (you know who I'm referring to) in one place while I read their comments, if that's ok?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

'Can this thread now be merged with the 'Coronavirus update' thread, please? I'd like to keep the mentalists (you know who I'm referring to) in one place while I read their comments, if that's ok?

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I've put the more mental ones on ignore. Let's be honest reading ccmb is always a waste of time but I can feel myself getting older reading the shite certain people post :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Can this thread now be merged with the 'Coronavirus' update thread, please? I'd like to keep the mentalists (you know who I'm referring to) in one place while I read their comments, if that's ok?

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Its much more fun going to different threads and them suddenly popping up. (Them/us??? :hehe:)

And while we're on the subject of pubs, what about my bloody Marmite??? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

"The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March."

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Yes, starting mainly in Italy. Carried there by the many Chinese tourists who visit Italy. On the 13th March 45000 Brits took off for a weekend of ski ing around the alps areas, most had to come straight back after a day or two as all the slopes and hotels were starting to shut all over despite them telling everyone I know there was no plans to close anything just a day or two before.
I reckon 100’s maybe more of these people brought it back with them, I know if a few who were rough on return having spent 2 days in various airports and bars trying to get home. It never gets as much of a mention as cheltenham for ie but I reckon this was one of the main influx’s of the virus here.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I've put the more mental ones on ignore. Let's be honest reading ccmb is always a waste of time but I can feel myself getting older reading the shite certain people post :hehe:

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You realise you are one of the mental ones right? And To coin a phrase, you were born old:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

"The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March."

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Is that wrong?

On the subject of there being no calls for the lockdown to begin earlier at the time, I think a look at the first ten pages of the Coronavirus update thread on here will prove interesting. While those early posts make for very embarrassing reading now for some, it also shows that, even on a messageboard for Cardiff City fans, there were some who it seems were more clued in about the virus than the UK Government and even some of the scientists it was taking advice from. I don't include myself among those who have been proved right, because, idiotically, I wanted to avoid making it a political issue because I thought the Government had been given a thankless task.

However, over the coming weeks, it became clear that the UK had drawn a very short straw when it came to the calibre of the people who were in charge as the crass blunders made by the Prime Minister and his Cabinet in the period before he became ill became more evident.

From memory, the line at the time once the dalliance with herd immunity was shelved was that, although a lockdown had to come eventually, there wouldn't be one yet because it would be more effective when infections were at a higher rate. There was also plenty of what I thought was pretty informed speculation that both scientists and politicians were of the view that they couldn't trust the population of the UK to observe a lockdown for more than a fortnight or so - yet again they were proved wrong, the people were seeing and reading what was going on in places like Italy and Spain and the large majority of them were frightened into believing and accepting a long term shutdown was coming (I started my isolation period the week before the lockdown started).

To be honest, the only thing that surprised me about this news yesterday;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson

was that the scientist only thought half of the deaths could have been avoided with an earlier lockdown - as someone remarked a few weeks back, lions led by donkeys comes to mind.

The funny thing if you look back at that thread, and the first few weeks of lockdown, is people saying the lockdown was bad and we should still be allowed out were the ones shouting the loudest about the BLM protesters being bad for protesting during a lockdown.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

On the subject of there being no calls for the lockdown to begin earlier at the time, I think a look at the first ten pages of the Coronavirus update thread on here will prove interesting. While those early posts make for very embarrassing reading now for some, it also shows that, even on a messageboard for Cardiff City fans, there were some who it seems were more clued in about the virus than the UK Government and even some of the scientists it was taking advice from. I don't include myself among those who have been proved right, because, idiotically, I wanted to avoid making it a political issue because I thought the Government had been given a thankless task.

However, over the coming weeks, it became clear that the UK had drawn a very short straw when it came to the calibre of the people who were in charge as the crass blunders made by the Prime Minister and his Cabinet in the period before he became ill became more evident.

From memory, the line at the time once the dalliance with herd immunity was shelved was that, although a lockdown had to come eventually, there wouldn't be one yet because it would be more effective when infections were at a higher rate. There was also plenty of what I thought was pretty informed speculation that both scientists and politicians were of the view that they couldn't trust the population of the UK to observe a lockdown for more than a fortnight or so - yet again they were proved wrong, the people were seeing and reading what was going on in places like Italy and Spain and the large majority of them were frightened into believing and accepting a long term shutdown was coming (I started my isolation period the week before the lockdown started).

To be honest, the only thing that surprised me about this news yesterday;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson

was that the scientist only thought half of the deaths could have been avoided with an earlier lockdown - as someone remarked a few weeks back, lions led by donkeys comes to mind.

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Wasn’t Ferguson one of the SaGe team there guided by?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Is that wrong?

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It's right, and so is the fact that 100% of all global Covid-19 cases originated in China.

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Originally Posted by goats

Wasn’t Ferguson one of the SaGe team there guided by?

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He was until he resigned. He was always touted as the brains who worked out the projected path of the virus in numerical terms or something until he went off shagging some married woman. Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

On the subject of there being no calls for the lockdown to begin earlier at the time, I think a look at the first ten pages of the Coronavirus update thread on here will prove interesting. While those early posts make for very embarrassing reading now for some, it also shows that, even on a messageboard for Cardiff City fans, there were some who it seems were more clued in about the virus than the UK Government and even some of the scientists it was taking advice from. I don't include myself among those who have been proved right, because, idiotically, I wanted to avoid making it a political issue because I thought the Government had been given a thankless task.

However, over the coming weeks, it became clear that the UK had drawn a very short straw when it came to the calibre of the people who were in charge as the crass blunders made by the Prime Minister and his Cabinet in the period before he became ill became more evident.

From memory, the line at the time once the dalliance with herd immunity was shelved was that, although a lockdown had to come eventually, there wouldn't be one yet because it would be more effective when infections were at a higher rate. There was also plenty of what I thought was pretty informed speculation that both scientists and politicians were of the view that they couldn't trust the population of the UK to observe a lockdown for more than a fortnight or so - yet again they were proved wrong, the people were seeing and reading what was going on in places like Italy and Spain and the large majority of them were frightened into believing and accepting a long term shutdown was coming (I started my isolation period the week before the lockdown started).

To be honest, the only thing that surprised me about this news yesterday;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson

was that the scientist only thought half of the deaths could have been avoided with an earlier lockdown - as someone remarked a few weeks back, lions led by donkeys comes to mind.

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Also, I can’t see much talk of lockdown and I got to the 12 March where people are just starting to mention closing borders like in the USA....I could be missing it mind

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Originally Posted by goats

Wasn’t Ferguson one of the SaGe team there guided by?

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Wasn't he the one that scared Johnson out of his herd immunity strategy by projecting 250,000 UK deaths if there was no lockdown?

He didn't practice what he preached, but he still seems to have kept his peer reputation as one of the top 'go to' experts.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Wasn't he the one that scared Johnson out of his herd immunity strategy by projecting 250,000 UK deaths if there was no lockdown?

He didn't practice what he preached, but he still seems to have kept his peer reputation as one of the top 'go to' experts.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You think that your point of view is superior to all other points of view?

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Oh the irony :hehe:.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

He was until he resigned. He was always touted as the brains who worked out the projected path of the virus in numerical terms or something until he went off shagging some married woman. Now he has suddenly changed his opinion apparently.

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Or his advice wasn't adhered to at the time (see: the leaked memo that came to light yesterday), perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Or his advice wasn't adhered to at the time (see: the leaked memo that came to light yesterday), perhaps.

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That's quite probably true, but another scientist on the SAGE said that there are lots and lots of differing opinions and they have to discuss to find some kind of consensus. No doubt that is often the line of least resistance. It reminds me of the old saying that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. Because for consensus they try to incorporate what everyone wants it to do.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Oh the irony :hehe:.

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Factual information and points of view are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Or his advice wasn't adhered to at the time (see: the leaked memo that came to light yesterday), perhaps.

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So right about the time he was disagreeing with the approach the PM and Cummings were taking, the press somehow discover evidence of him breaking the lockdown with a married woman and plaster him over the papers, then all of a sudden he's off SAGE.