Dutch kids all return to school

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Originally Posted by goats

So after all the fuss and drama, my two are going back in for a whopping two half days in the next 6 weeks.....

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Ex has had the email. My daughter isn't going and she isn't being pushed.

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

Do you need statistics its obvious?

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Pretend I’m as dull as dogshit (shouldn’t be too hard) and now enlighten me with your facts and statistics.:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Ex has had the email. My daughter isn't going and she isn't being pushed.

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Well they are basically only going in for a chat and catchup with a few of their buddies, which is nice for them. I suggest the welsh education minister looks over to Europe in the next few weeks to see what’s going on, especially Holland. I quite enjoy home schooling my two, looking at the progress they have made with 1 to 1 teaching is interesting also compared to the usual 1 to 25. My six year old can now write better then me (not saying much:hehe:) and his reading isn’t far behind either! Eye opener

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Originally Posted by goats

Well they are basically only going in for a chat and catchup with a few of their buddies, which is nice for them. I suggest the welsh education minister looks over to Europe in the next few weeks to see what’s going on, especially Holland. I quite enjoy home schooling my two, looking at the progress they have made with 1 to 1 teaching is interesting also compared to the usual 1 to 25. My six year old can now write better then me (not saying much:hehe:) and his reading isn’t far behind either! Eye opener

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You can withdraw your kids and home school them. It's an option for you.

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Originally Posted by lardy

You can withdraw your kids and home school them. It's an option for you.

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I know, but they love going to school, very sociable kids. I couldn’t do it to them, but I will do a bit more with them around school in the future now. No doubt we will still get work online anyway until the end if the year, maybe forever as it’s working well. It probably doesn’t help that the very few kids I know whose hippy type parents home school (badly) look like they will turn out to be the serial killers of the future and have the social skills of Kim Jong Drakeford

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Originally Posted by goats

Well they are basically only going in for a chat and catchup with a few of their buddies, which is nice for them. I suggest the welsh education minister looks over to Europe in the next few weeks to see what’s going on, especially Holland. I quite enjoy home schooling my two, looking at the progress they have made with 1 to 1 teaching is interesting also compared to the usual 1 to 25. My six year old can now write better then me (not saying much:hehe:) and his reading isn’t far behind either! Eye opener

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Mines been getting work and she's been happy to do it all herself at home and usually runs out. Quite proud of how she's kept at it, she reckons loads haven't bothered. She'll be going into year 9 next year.

It's good for them to see their mates, especially the younger ones, mines constantly in contact with her's on the phone and she's seen them from a distance a few times as they live local and all pretty near eachother

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Mines been getting work and she's been happy to do it all herself at home and usually runs out. Quite proud of how she's kept at it, she reckons loads haven't bothered. She'll be going into year 9 next year.

It's good for them to see their mates, especially the younger ones, mines constantly in contact with her's on the phone and she's seen them from a distance a few times as they live local and all pretty near eachother

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Teenagers frequently catch up like they are now anyway, as you say. 6 and 8 year olds on zoom, doesn’t seem to work so well for them and the way they usually interact.

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Originally Posted by goats

Teenagers frequently catch up like they are now anyway, as you say. 6 and 8 year olds on zoom, doesn’t seem to work so well for them and the way they usually interact.

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Her smaller brothers aren't that fussed on learning at home, and my sister who can be quite prim and proper and wants the best from the kids has just left her 5 year old to it as she doesn't see the point in stressing him out over it and having all the tantrums in the house, she does little bits with him but she hasn't gone above and beyond like we all thought she would :hehe:

Kids are probably better off being stress free through all this anyway, plenty of time to catch up.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Her smaller brothers aren't that fussed on learning at home, and my sister who can be quite prim and proper and wants the best from the kids has just left her 5 year old to it as she doesn't see the point in stressing him out over it and having all the tantrums in the house, she does little bits with him but she hasn't gone above and beyond like we all thought she would :hehe:

Kids are probably better off being stress free through all this anyway, plenty of time to catch up.

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Too right I know plenty who, despite moving to areas just to get in certain primary schools, have done hardly anything with their kids at all work wise. I think quite a few parents are realising the previous problem in school wasn’t down to the teachers after all....:hehe:

People saying there's plenty of time to catch up - who are we expecting them to catch up with?

I've got 2 kids in state school and my girlfriend has a kid roughly the same age in private school.

My eldest gets a reasonable amount of work each day, maybe 3-4 hours and the teachers are online for a few hours each day. There are no repercussions from the school if they don't do the work (there are from me!)

My youngest gets about 3-4 hours of work set per week and his teacher seems to spend about an hour a day actually doing stuff (while still picking up full salary presumably).

In both of their classes I think about 50% of the class regularly attend as an absolute maximum, probably considerably less, and there's a good 25% who have never attended since lockdown began.

My gf's kid is between their ages, has probably 5-6 hours of work a day and the teachers online most of the day, with 100% attendance, it still isn't as good as being there, but at least they are making a decent effort of keeping up with education.

There is no way that the 25% of kids in my kids classes who haven't had any education for months are going to catch up with kids in better schools

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Originally Posted by Rjk

People saying there's plenty of time to catch up - who are we expecting them to catch up with?

I've got 2 kids in state school and my girlfriend has a kid roughly the same age in private school.

My eldest gets a reasonable amount of work each day, maybe 3-4 hours and the teachers are online for a few hours each day. There are no repercussions from the school if they don't do the work (there are from me!)

My youngest gets about 3-4 hours of work set per week and his teacher seems to spend about an hour a day actually doing stuff (while still picking up full salary presumably).

In both of their classes I think about 50% of the class regularly attend as an absolute maximum, probably considerably less, and there's a good 25% who have never attended since lockdown began.

My gf's kid is between their ages, has probably 5-6 hours of work a day and the teachers online most of the day, with 100% attendance, it still isn't as good as being there, but at least they are making a decent effort of keeping up with education.

There is no way that the 25% of kids in my kids classes who haven't had any education for months are going to catch up with kids in better schools

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Not reading all that as I'm in work and it's raining... But what I said was my sister wasn't too worried about her 5 year old and does little bits but not excessive work as she's confident he will catch up. He's bloody 5 of course he will.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time this has been pointed out.

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It really is that simple. :thumbup:

Denmark closed everything down at least 2 weeks before the UK, which had a massive impact in reducing the infection rate from all expert opinion. If the UK had done similar, kids there would probably also be back at school now too.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Isn't it obvious to anyone that's had kids or been around that the little ones don't have the self-discipline or concentration to not self-distance?

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Shirley this means that they self distance automatically? clever buggers. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

Yep.

My 2-year old's nursery re-opened last week. We had a letter explaining the measures that they were taking, but the basic position was: "you can't get children to socially distance, so we won't be doing it amongst the kids. Nor are we going to wear face masks, because it will just scare them". Instead they are trying to keep the kids in mini groups which do not interact with one another. So my son has 4 or 5 kids in his mini group, and amongst themselves they pretty much carry on as before. In addition they are doing a hell of a lot of cleaning, and a focus on washing hands. (it is working - he will happily spend 5 minutes washing his hands now). They are pretty vigilant when it comes to distancing amongst the adults/parents, though.

Obviously nursery is a different beast to schools: the staff to child ratio is 3-1 in nursery, and ten times that in a school. But I did have some respect for the nursery for deciding not to even try. Which, it seems, is also the policy for every supermarket I've been to during lockdown- I've yet to go to one where staff made any discernible effort to maintain distance from each other or the customers. Although by far and away the most flagrant breaches of the social distancing rules I've seen have been hospital staff, sat in huge groups eating their lunch right at the peak of the outbreak. Even my builders made token attempts to stay 2m apart, which is really quite difficult when you are lifting a bath which is 1.8m long.

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Anecdotally, but on my last trip to the supermarket, I was basically followed around by a nurse who was doing **** all to stay 2m from anyone (especially me). Very difficult to get away from her, you can't speed ahead because there's people in front of you, and you can't hold back because people get pissed off.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's impossible to socially distance in any environment where there are a lot of people moving around independently of each other. I've seen it in the last 3 months at work, and I've seen it whenever I've gone to big Tesco. Little Tesco is more manageable, big Tesco is impossible.

You can control the entry points, you can control the checkout queueing but in the free for all in the middle it cannot and does not happen. And that's not a criticism of the shoppers, unless the whole endeavour is in set straight lines then they've got no chance

EDIT: Or they limit how many people are allowed to be in the store at any one time