No confidence vote, against DRAKEFORD, from Welsh Tourist Body !!

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Originally Posted by az city

What abilities/qualifications/experience do you have in epidemiology to allow you to make such broad generalizations? Is this just more guessing on your part?

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Chris Whitty stated this at the final Press Conference. I haven't a clue whether this is right but that is what was said.

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Originally Posted by az city

What abilities/qualifications/experience do you have in epidemiology to allow you to make such broad generalizations? Is this just more guessing on your part?

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What qualifications do you have to argue I'm wrong? this is a message board not a court of law you prat. I actually took the remark about the R rate being less important from a post by The Other Bob Wilson, whom you seem to admire. If you so obviously disbelieve it, take it up with him!!!

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Chris Whitty stated this at the final Press Conference. I haven't a clue whether this is right but that is what was said.

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Thank you!

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Originally Posted by goats

Yup and that could make a lot of people very un wealthy and no doubt un healthy. The health before wealth thing doesn’t really add up if you look at it more closely than that throw away comment....

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42,000 people croaked it, possibly as many as 60,000. What value do you put on their lives? What value do you put on the lives saved due to the measures taken?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

That’s a big bloody dictionary, you’ve swallowed there

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Which word didn't you understand?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Which word didn't you understand?

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All of them :hehe::hehe::hehe:

I have found in life, that when people start to use words not in everyday use, it’s because they have lost the debate, so try to appear clever as they scoot away, with their tail between their legs .

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

It doesn’t really matter, does it !!!

That’s still 7 days to infect someone else. You could get tested on a Monday, catch it on a Tuesday, and go willy, nilly about your job, infecting patient’s, family and friends.

We’ve gotta start somewhere and being careful is the way forward, not relying on “week old tests”

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Ah, so best not test anyone then? As long as we are careful and go on the attack, get men ahead of the ball, it will all blow over. I believe that you are the type of person that Johnson targets when he talks of "British common sense". Best in the world. It's worked really well so far.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

What qualifications do you have to argue I'm wrong? this is a message board not a court of law you prat. I actually took the remark about the R rate being less important from a post by The Other Bob Wilson, whom you seem to admire. If you so obviously disbelieve it, take it up with him!!!

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So that's none then.

Yours,
The "prat"

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Originally Posted by az city

So that's none then.

Yours,
The "prat"

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You have so much to say for yourself. what are your qualifications on the subject. you by-passed that didn't you, it's none prat!!!! But you won't admit you may have been on the wrong side of that little point will you? not a fecking chance!!! Just deflect!!

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

All of them :hehe::hehe::hehe:

I have found in life, that when people start to use words not in everyday use, it’s because they have lost the debate, so try to appear clever as they scoot away, with their tail between their legs .

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Yeah, that's what they call a chip on the shoulder.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

You have so much to say for yourself. what are your qualifications on the subject. you by-passed that didn't you, it's none prat!!!! But you won't admit you may have been on the wrong side of that little point will you? not a fecking chance!!! Just deflect!!

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How is he on the wrong side? If anything, your logic for being on the right side is that the point you made is a point made by someone else that azcity respects. Does that mean that everything the other Brian Wilson says should be agreed with by azcity?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How is he on the wrong side? If anything, your logic for being on the right side is that the point you made is a point made by someone else that azcity respects. Does that mean that everything the other Brian Wilson says should be agreed with by azcity?

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:wave:

Anyone know who the other Brian Wilson is? I'm not sure I even know the first one!:hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

:wave:

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Ooh look, xsnaggle acting like a prat again.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Ooh look, xsnaggle acting like a prat again.

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:wave:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

You have so much to say for yourself.

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Says the poster with in excess of 8,000 posts compared with my 370.

Yours,
The "prat"

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Anyone know who the other Brian Wilson is? I'm not sure I even know the first one!:hehe:

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beach boys :thumbup:

greatest hits, something for everyone :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQNrJBJBo0

Thank you Matt. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Thank you Matt. :hehe:

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you are most welcome :thumbup:

Slow and steady wins the race. Cases are peaking all over the US. Even New York and New Jersey have seen slight increases in cases lately. Back in Wales, my parents both have it. They've stayed at home for 3 months. My step mother had a fall and was admitted to Llandough and came home with Covid two weeks ago. Luckily, they seem to be finally getting better, but it's been very worrying and especially hard on my sister who's had to do all the work. And really shitty for my parents, who did everything they could to protect themselves.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Slow and steady wins the race. Cases are peaking all over the US. Even New York and New Jersey have seen slight increases in cases lately. Back in Wales, my parents both have it. They've stayed at home for 3 months. My step mother had a fall and was admitted to Llandough and came home with Covid two weeks ago. Luckily, they seem to be finally getting better, but it's been very worrying and especially hard on my sister who's had to do all the work. And really shitty for my parents, who did everything they could to protect themselves.

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Sorry to hear about your parents. Hopefully they're on their way back to health.

We have a coming apocalypse in Arizona I'm afraid. We have an amazing surge of infections, the hospitals are at capacity apart from desperate helicopter rides around the state to seek a last ICU bed in the rural north, the administration is (privately) worried the private healthcare system is going to go bust under the strain and, as an example, I heard today that Fountain Hills (a wealthy city in the east valley) had a 5 hour meeting to discuss mandating mask wearing in public and voted 4-3 against, so there is a strong anti-social distancing mentality. Our governor, Deadly Doug, is doing absolutely nothing. We now have a call out to NY for help from healthcare professionals to come help here. In a private Arizona Department of Health Services discussion today there was an agreement to ask the governor to consider a temporary lockdown over the 4th of July weekend because things are so bad.

I say all that because from 5,000 miles away Drakeford et al seem like geniuses in comparison.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Slow and steady wins the race. Cases are peaking all over the US. Even New York and New Jersey have seen slight increases in cases lately. Back in Wales, my parents both have it. They've stayed at home for 3 months. My step mother had a fall and was admitted to Llandough and came home with Covid two weeks ago. Luckily, they seem to be finally getting better, but it's been very worrying and especially hard on my sister who's had to do all the work. And really shitty for my parents, who did everything they could to protect themselves.

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I guess your parents don’t know how they got it? That’s quite strange if they haven’t been out at all.....not been to any shops?
It does seem to be pot luck how badly you get it, my aunty caught it in a care home, she’s 89 diabetic with dementia and obese, she survived. As did my friends mum who has COPD and lives with an oxygen tank next to her everyday! We thought she was a goner....

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

He difinitely is presiding over a period where the hospitals coped, and where his decisions have resulted in the lowest R rates in the country. He definitely doesn't seem to be going against scientific advice.

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The latest data shows the R number at 0.8 for Wales. Unfortunately we've now got the slowest decline of the disease of all the UK regions, and the highest number of cumulative cases in June.

51 new cases in Wrexham yesterday, that's the per capita equivalent of 300 new cases in Cardiff, and 'cautious' Drakeford is sitting on his hands.

He lives with the fact that we in Cardiff, RCT and N Wales continue to be hotspots, and herds us into 5 mile boundaries to help us catch it from each other.

If he's 'following the science', he needs to get new scientists.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The latest data shows the R number at 0.8 for Wales. Unfortunately we've now got the slowest decline of the disease of all the UK regions, and the highest number of cumulative cases in June.

51 new cases in Wrexham yesterday, that's the per capita equivalent of 300 new cases in Cardiff, and 'cautious' Drakeford is sitting on his hands.

He lives with the fact that we in Cardiff, RCT and N Wales continue to be hotspots, and herds us into 5 mile boundaries to help us catch it from each other.

If he's 'following the science', he needs to get new scientists.

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That is your interpretation on some figures you haven't provided a link to. The cases in Wrexham are linked to a meat plant where conditions are ripe for the disease to spread (cold factories for example).

Surely a 5 mile boundary makes sense if you think it "helps us catch it from each other". Wrexham is more than 5 miles away, so the chances of it spreading down to your town are remote. If Wrexham was in England, for example, maybe some of those 51 would have been in among the 500,000 people who descended on Bournemouth and Poole yesterday.

He is working on the same SAGE reports that Boris Johnson is. Half a million people, and a major incident declared within days of their relaxation easing. The pubs haven't opened yet either!

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

That is your interpretation on some figures you haven't provided a link to. The cases in Wrexham are linked to a meat plant where conditions are ripe for the disease to spread (cold factories for example).

Surely a 5 mile boundary makes sense if you think it "helps us catch it from each other". Wrexham is more than 5 miles away, so the chances of it spreading down to your town are remote. If Wrexham was in England, for example, maybe some of those 51 would have been in among the 500,000 people who descended on Bournemouth and Poole yesterday.

He is working on the same SAGE reports that Boris Johnson is. Half a million people, and a major incident declared within days of their relaxation easing. The pubs haven't opened yet either!

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The figures are from an official body UK health think-tank and quoted in todays local press.

Yes I know why there is a surge in cases in Wrexham, but because they are community acquired makes it even more significant. This bloody intracellular parasite is out there and Drakeford's sitting on his hands. If it had been 300 cases in Cardiff in a day Im sure we would have had some action.

You miss the point on the 5 mile rule. If you live in a hot spot you're confined to that hot spot especially in places like Cardiff and RCT.

Wrexham is interesting because local travel for residents can mean a trip to England, from where they can go anywhere, even Bournemouth. Which makes one more reason for our First Minister to impose a severe lockdown in the town until it all settles down.

The 5 mile rule prevented the disaster what happened on beaches in England.

A national piss up in England is on the cards for 4th July.

The bufoon has no control of the country.

The common sense of the British people. Sadly the UK PM has none.

If there is a 2nd wave he has to resign.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

You miss the point on the 5 mile rule. If you live in a hot spot you're confined to that hot spot especially in places like Cardiff and RCT.
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I really don't think I am missing any point on the 5 mile rule. Did you see Bournemouth yesterday? And, imagine if Wuhan imposed a 5 mile rule at the start of this.

Also people on the border on Welsh rules still have to stay within 5 miles.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Which makes one more reason for our First Minister to impose a severe lockdown in the town until it all settles down.

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But, wouidn't that mean that he is herding people into an area where they can all catch it from each other?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Also people on the border on Welsh rules still have to stay within 5 miles.

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Not so. Once in England their rules apply

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

But, wouidn't that mean that he is herding people into an area where they can all catch it from each other?

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I mentioned a lockdown, just like we had late in March...ie stay at home, no golf, no meeting in groups etc....Drakeford needs to get a grip on these dangerous local outbreaks

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

But, wouidn't that mean that he is herding people into an area where they can all catch it from each other?

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Hes a bit like Boris. Stay at home , but go out. Go to work but stay in.

Keep Wrexham locked down. But let them out so they are not in the same area

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Not so. Once in England their rules apply

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Drakeford can only set the rules for Wales. What happens once a Welshman crosses the border into England is completely down to Johnson. Hence the shambles at Bournemouth yesterday.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

I mentioned a lockdown, just like we had late in March...ie stay at home, no golf, no meeting in groups etc....Drakeford needs to get a grip on these dangerous local outbreaks

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That's where the 5 mile rule comes in surely? But, you argued against that rule because it would "herd people into hotspots". Now, you are saying that, where there is a hotspot, he needs to get tougher? It's all very confusing.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Not so. Once in England their rules apply

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FFS I give up.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

The 5 mile rule prevented the disaster what happened on beaches in England.

A national piss up in England is on the cards for 4th July.

The bufoon has no control of the country.

The common sense of the British people. Sadly the UK PM has none.

If there is a 2nd wave he has to resign.

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You seem to be implying that the crazy happenings in Bournemouth mean that there will be a surge of cases. Maybe there will, who knows.

I’m talking about a real surge in cases, where our First Minister is sitting on his hands, and you seem to think that,s good

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

You seem to be implying that the crazy happenings in Bournemouth mean that there will be a surge of cases. Maybe there will, who knows.

I’m talking about a real surge in cases, where our First Minister is sitting on his hands, and you seem to think that,s good

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Yes, he should be like Johnson and let them travel hundreds of miles to a beach.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

FFS I give up.

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Let me spell it out. The rules are that if you live within 5 miles of our 160 mile border with England, local travel could include a trip into England. Once there our Welsh rules no longer apply but the English rules do , and they allow people to travel anywhere in that country.

When English people visit Wales, our rules apply as soon as they enter our country

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Let me spell it out. The rules are that if you live within 5 miles of our 160 mile border with England, local travel could include a trip into England. Once there our Welsh rules no longer apply but the English rules do , and they allow people to travel anywhere in that country.

When English people visit Wales, our rules apply as soon as they enter our country

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Yes. So how is that Drakeford's fault?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Yes, he should be like Johnson and let them travel hundreds of miles to a beach.

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Well if they live in Wrexham he effectively could be because its residents are within 5 miles of England. He needs to get up off his arse and lockdown the hotspots in North Wales