WAG to take over control of trains confirmed

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Originally Posted by Wozza16

Considering KeolisAmey only took over the franchise in late 2018 and the U.K. government only transferred the ownership of the core valley lines to WAG about 3 months ago, they haven’t exactly had much of an opportunity to make any major infrastructure improvements.

These are some of the improvements planned by 2023 (which has been always been the plan, no HS2 timescales)

https://tfwrail.wales/about-us/transport-for-wales

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As I said, its been nearly ten years of bluster. anyone can say what they want to achieve, we will have to wait and see what WG deliver.

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Originally Posted by TISS

BLASPHEMY

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But my opinion does not come from an ideological perspective. It comes from understanding who is involved. There are some very innovative and commercially minded public servants out there. There are others who just know how to cover their arse. Just like anywhere else really!

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Originally Posted by TISS

As I said, its been nearly ten years of bluster. anyone can say what they want to achieve, we will have to wait and see what WG deliver.

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But why would WAG build/invest in something they don’t own or gain any income from? Once they own the infrastructure and it’s devolved they can invest as it is their asset.

Westminster have taken 11 years to get shovels in the ground for HS2 while blowing the budget multiple times before they are even started.

It’s a U.K. way of doing things, slow, late and over budget. That’s why Europe is years ahead in infrastructure, not to mention Asia.

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Originally Posted by TISS

they've been talking about it for more than a decade. Talk is cheap.

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There's a new train depot flying up as we speak for the stabling and maintenance of the new rolling stock

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

But my opinion does not come from an ideological perspective. It comes from understanding who is involved. There are some very innovative and commercially minded public servants out there. There are others who just know how to cover their arse. Just like anywhere else really!

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mine opinion is based on working with them and not ideology. half are too scared to make a decision.

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Originally Posted by Wozza16

But why would WAG build/invest in something they don’t own or gain any income from? Once they own the infrastructure and it’s devolved they can invest as it is their asset.

Westminster have taken 11 years to get shovels in the ground for HS2 while blowing the budget multiple times before they are even started.

It’s a U.K. way of doing things, slow, late and over budget. That’s why Europe is years ahead in infrastructure, not to mention Asia.

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that really does not make it acceptable. WG could have broke the mould but instead we get the same old public sector lethargy

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Originally Posted by Its been emotional

There's a new train depot flying up as we speak for the stabling and maintenance of the new rolling stock

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well there we are then, lets all go and sell our cars as all our prayers have been answered.

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Originally Posted by Its been emotional

There's a new train depot flying up as we speak for the stabling and maintenance of the new rolling stock

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There are clearly things starting to happen, just judging by the number of jobs I see advertised for project management and engineering roles for TFW

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Originally Posted by TISS

well there we are then, lets all go and sell our cars as all our prayers have been answered.

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Obnoxious clown 🤡

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Originally Posted by Its been emotional

Obnoxious clown 🤡

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Pray tell how building a depot solves the public transport problem?

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Originally Posted by TISS

Pray tell how building a depot solves the public transport problem?

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Were you being obnoxious?

Were you being a clown?

Not sure what your problem is here?

New, cleaner more efficient, reliable, frequent train service.
What's not to like?

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Originally Posted by TISS

more spraff from the politicians. The metro idea has been around for over a decade and in that time all we've had are trains given a paint job. If we had as much activity with boots on the ground as we did with the WG's PR department, we'd have a public transport system on a parallel to Berlin

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They've owned Cardiff Airport for a while haven't they , still waiting for a decent track and trace system for all flights for all arrivals and departures.

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Originally Posted by TISS

mine opinion is based on working with them and not ideology. half are too scared to make a decision.

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And the other half? That's my point.

The current model where private companies can milk customers and government during good times for their shareholders then quit when times get tough clearly doesn't work.

Are there any alternatives other than public ownership or no train service?

Actually coronavirus has shown that many businesses are not very resilient so perhaps we need an alternative to capitalism and continual financial growth as there should be more to life than making money.

Which mate of Drakeford, will get the job of running it, on £250,000 per year, for a 3 day working week ??

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Were you being obnoxious?

Were you being a clown?

Not sure what your problem is here?

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I wasn't being obnoxious or a clown. I just don't see the need to jump for joy at todays news. Time will tell whether your joyous abandon is warranted or not.

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

And the other half? That's my point.

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The other half are on the sick or having a duvet day

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Nationalise the trains , buses , gas , water , electricity etc and bring back social care into local authority teams instead of allowing private companies to make huge profits in delivering shit services

Naff off thatcher

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I've told you before about local authority statutory care run by local authorities. Ask for help and they say they haven't the staff to help. Nationalised care via local authorities stinks. I can also tell you about nationalised trains. I used to catch the 06.40 out of Cardiff to Paddington up to 5 days a week. The service was abysmal and only improved when BR were competing for the contract which they eventually lost. I know costs have escalated but use of the trains has increased markedly over the years. However, I think ticketing should be centralised.

As for nationalised electricity power cuts due to industrial action were the order of the day. I remember well cooking a meal and boiling a kettle on a camping stove. Thank gawd those days are over. If you don't remember those days you must be younger than I thought. Just imagine if secondary picketing and workers holding the country to ransom. That's nationalisation for you.

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Originally Posted by TISS

The other half are on the sick or having a duvet day

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Says all we need to know about you Mr Gammon
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Originally Posted by TISS

The other half are on the sick or having a duvet day

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So half of the civil servants you have worked with are too scared to make a decision and the other half are throwing a sickie. Is this the bit where you prove that you weren't being obnoxious or a clown?

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

Says all we need to know about you Mr Gammon
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Far from gammon, pal.

I just have little confidence in WG to deliver.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

So half of the civil servants you have worked with are too scared to make a decision and the other half are throwing a sickie. Is this the bit where you prove that you weren't being obnoxious or a clown?

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Well, quite.

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Originally Posted by TISS

so you agree with me, its best not to have public sector workers near the operation, and bringing in those with experience of business is the way forward.

it was a hard slog, but we get there in the end.

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Ah, so you're not against public ownership then?

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Originally Posted by TISS

Far from gammon, pal.

I just have little confidence in WG to deliver.

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Neither have I. And I am neither obnoxious nor a clown. You are more gammon than a ham sandwich mate.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I've told you before about local authority statutory care run by local authorities. Ask for help and they say they haven't the staff to help. Nationalised care via local authorities stinks. I can also tell you about nationalised trains. I used to catch the 06.40 out of Cardiff to Paddington up to 5 days a week. The service was abysmal and only improved when BR were competing for the contract which they eventually lost. I know costs have escalated but use of the trains has increased markedly over the years. However, I think ticketing should be centralised.

As for nationalised electricity power cuts due to industrial action were the order of the day. I remember well cooking a meal and boiling a kettle on a camping stove. Thank gawd those days are over. If you don't remember those days you must be younger than I thought. Just imagine if secondary picketing and workers holding the country to ransom. That's nationalisation for you.

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Thatcherite nonsense , stick it up your arse

My mother and father had superb care from the NHS and social services on leaving hospital

6 weeks later they were handed over to private carers who turned up late and couldn't wait to get on to the next job

I used to catch the train before privatisation , the service was far better and more reliable

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Originally Posted by TISS

and British Rail before it, whilst in public ownership, was a shining light on rail operation anywhere in the world.

the UK rail system is a shambles, it has been for years, and going back to public ownership won't change that.

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it was better than the shitestorm we have now

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

Says all we need to know about you Mr Gammon
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ain't that the truth

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Originally Posted by TISS

Well, quite.

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you clown

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Ah, so you're not against public ownership then?

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Public private partnership can work. To be honest, I dont really care, as long as good services are delivered.

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

Neither have I. And I am neither obnoxious nor a clown. You are more gammon than a ham sandwich mate.

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Whatever treacle.

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Originally Posted by TISS

Far from gammon, pal.

I just have little confidence in WG to deliver.

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I was wondering, do you still drive over to Bristol to pay for your prescriptions?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I was wondering, do you still drive over to Bristol to pay for your prescriptions?

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Haha, good memory.

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Originally Posted by TISS

Whatever treacle.

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It works with a comma after WHATEVER ...otherwise it makes about as much sense as you do.

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

It works with a comma after WHATEVER ...otherwise it makes about as much sense as you do.

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Whatever tweacle

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Originally Posted by TISS

Public private partnership can work. To be honest, I dont really care, as long as good services are delivered.

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So you're happy for public sector involvement, just not public sector workers being involved.

Glad that's cleared that one up......

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

So you're happy for public sector involvement, just not public sector workers being involved.

Glad that's cleared that one up......

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you need to read what was written. I have said that the trading company should be run by those who have experience in business, whereas the public sector needs to be kept at arms length with any interaction as a shareholder only.

Perhaps if you were familiar with company law you'd understand how the directors of a company are the trustees of a company acting on behalf if its shareholders, for the shareholders, meeting the shareholders requirements. The problems start when you have politicians and civil servants, who have little or no experience of running a business, get involved.

leave the running of the business to its experienced managers, and allow the public sector to provide oversight as shareholders.

it doesn't happen though, politicians like to get involved and that is when things go awry.

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Originally Posted by TISS

you need to read what was written. I have said that the trading company should be run by those who have experience in business, whereas the public sector needs to be kept at arms length with any interaction as a shareholder only.

Perhaps if you were familiar with company law you'd understand how the directors of a company are the trustees of a company acting on behalf if its shareholders, for the shareholders, meeting the shareholders requirements. The problems start when you have politicians and civil servants, who have little or no experience of running a business, get involved.

leave the running of the business to its experienced managers, and allow the public sector to provide oversight as shareholders.

it doesn't happen though, politicians like to get involved and that is when things go awry.

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You've not moved on in the last decade have you, this was the sort of tired old stuff you used to come out with in your Feedback days.

Changing the subject completely as they used to say in Yes (Prime) Minister, did you see that the UK Government's dogma driven test and trace programme had yet another worst ever week? I think its success rate is down to the low sixties now when it needs to be at least eighty, good news for Serco's shareholders then I presume .

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You've not moved on in the last decade have you, this was the sort of tired old stuff you used to come out with in your Feedback days.

Changing the subject completely as they used to say in Yes (Prime) Minister, did you see that the UK Government's dogma driven test and trace programme had yet another worst ever week? I think its success rate is down to the low sixties now when it needs to be at least eighty, good news for Serco's shareholders then I presume .

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Didn’t realise TISS was feedy.

I do tire at ‘all public service workers are incompetent/lazy’ rhetoric but there is definitely form of buggering something up when it’s not your own money.

But this in principle is brilliant for Wales and they need to be given a chance. Of course, the organisation has to be competent but surely theyd bring in people with experience.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Thatcherite nonsense , stick it up your arse

My mother and father had superb care from the NHS and social services on leaving hospital

6 weeks later they were handed over to private carers who turned up late and couldn't wait to get on to the next job

I used to catch the train before privatisation , the service was far better and more reliable

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When you resort to bad language you have lost the argument.