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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
Of course not, that ship has sailed.
Neither do I want the sacking of Neil Harris.
We have not played anywhere near as well as we can, yes there is something not quite right, but we are only 10 games in.
We have some new players trying to bed in and some injuries to key players.
He hasn't got a war chest.
Harris needs time to sort it out and not people calling for his head.
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
No thanks. Some short memories on here. He did a great job when he was here but left us with an ageing, slowing squad. This is Harris's first squad, he needs time to develop it.
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Des Parrot
No thanks. Some short memories on here. He did a great job when he was here but left us with an ageing, slowing squad. This is Harris's first squad, he needs time to develop it.
This.
We aren't playing great football but didn't under Warnock even in our promotion season.
If we are ever going to transform the age and style of the squad on a limited budget then results and performances need to take a back seat.
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
No
We've moved on - As much as I adored Warnock it was a time for a change - the signings of Vassell and Flint were appalling waste of monies - his methods are never long term but are bloody great in turning things around with a them and us attitude - it wears after 2 to 3 years though
Give Harris more time - but christ that was painful in midfield tonight - Ralls and Vaulks were awful and who made Morrison a playmaker :-)
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Why do our fans think so much in the here and now.
You can't keep chopping and changing you've got to look at sustainability and a future not a quick fix.
Harris can't change the style of play overnight with the same personnel it's going to take time.
We had a great end to last season and have had an OK start to this season.
A bit of patience wouldn't go a miss but I know we won't get it because so many of our fans have never known real shite.
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insider
Why do our fans think so much in the here and now.
You can't keep chopping and changing you've got to look at sustainability and a future not a quick fix.
Harris can't change the style of play overnight with the same personnel it's going to take time.
We had a great end to last season and have had an OK start to this season.
A bit of patience wouldn't go a miss but I know we won't get it because so many of our fans have never known real shite.
Football is the here and now. Harris has changed the football a bit. Millwall fans warned us about what we've become. It's too early to replace him or panic but this season we've played well for about 45 minutes in 10 games.
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insider
A bit of patience wouldn't go a miss but I know we won't get it because so many of our fans have never known real shite.
I also don't understand this argument. We were bloody awful 25 years ago so it's OK to be awful now? We're now a big club by Championship standards. Man United fans don't go, well we got relegated in the mid 70s so it's OK that we're a bit of an also ran now. We've got good players, we've got a great stadium and we've not finished below 12th in the Championship for over a decade. We've been out of the basement divisions for longer than we were in it, it's time to move on.
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Harry Paget Flashman
This.
We aren't playing great football but didn't under Warnock even in our promotion season.
If we are ever going to transform the age and style of the squad on a limited budget then results and performances need to take a back seat.
The difference is though that the team were WINNING during the promotion season and so fans will forgive the style of football, if the team is winning......
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
This time last week people were queuing up to have a pop at Bluebird 23 for having a go at Neil Harris, now, after a couple more games where we came back from a goal down there are those who have switched sides it appears! We're not playing well, not scoring anywhere near enough goals and are a dull team to watch based on what I've seen this season, but I certainly don't want Warnock back - once was enough and we wouldn't have reached the Play Offs with him in charge.
I couldn't watch last night's match, but the radio commentary in the first half especially did not make for easy listening. It seems to me that Neil Harris thinks Pack, Ralls, Vaulks and Bacuna represents a good Championship midfield - all of them have their plus points, but as a quartet we don't have enough technique, invention and ball retention skills. I don't believe that means our manager should go though, after all, the four of them were good enough to help us to fifth place last season. That was with an in form Lee Tomlin though -unfortunately, last night sounded much like I expected it to be when I heard Wilson and Tomlin were not available.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Morrison can pass better than some of the midfielders.
You're right. While his distribution is often lacking I put that down to lack of movement and options in front of him. Since Warnock has left he does try to bring the ball out and look for shorter passes. Pack is usually the one who drops deep and he is a good sideways passer, but when Pack isn't in the team Morrison has few options..
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Pedro de la Rosa
Morrison can pass better than some of the midfielders.
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the other bob wilson
This time last week people were queuing up to have a pop at Bluebird 23 for having a go at Neil Harris, now, after a couple more games where we came back from a goal down there are those who have switched sides it appears! We're not playing well, not scoring anywhere near enough goals and are a dull team to watch based on what I've seen this season, but I certainly don't want Warnock back - once was enough and we wouldn't have reached the Play Offs with him in charge.
I couldn't watch last night's match, but the radio commentary in the first half especially did not make for easy listening. It seems to me that Neil Harris thinks Pack, Ralls, Vaulks and Bacuna represents a good Championship midfield - all of them have their plus points, but as a quartet we don't have enough technique, invention and ball retention skills. I don't believe that means our manager should go though, after all, the four of them were good enough to help us to fifth place last season. That was with an in form Lee Tomlin though -unfortunately, last night sounded much like I expected it to be when I heard Wilson and Tomlin were not available.
I feel the same.
Progress under Harris is painfully slow and some would argue there's no progress at all.
While he inherited a disjointed and unbalanced squad he's had a year and the truth is we are still very slow, laborious and lacking a playing style (of any kind). Our foray into the play offs was on the back of a great run away from home and a break, which suited us more than other teams, caused by a global pandemic. I'm not sure we should be relying on these conditions again!
But I wouldn't want Warnock back.
He spent 6 million on Flint when the team was crying out for pace and guile and a goal scorer.
No thanks
However, Harris isn't far away from being under a lot of pressure. No home wins so far and a team that looks as slow and stagnant as last year under Warnock... the board will be considering changes.
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Former Labour leader
Beginning to think I would.
No, we need an ambitious fairly young manager. Step forward please Eddie Howe
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
No way.
Overstayed his time here as it is. He who have left at the end if the season not hang around for one last hurrah.
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
Forward to 2035:
Harris is still evolving his team; doesn't know his best XI; perseveres with Pack and thinks Glatzel is the best striker he's ever seen; still trying to get an obese Tomlln offa the pies.....etc etc etc
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Funniest suggestion of the year
- surely this is satire? 🤣🤣
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
We are no better now, arguably worse, than when Warnock was sacked. But when a Warnock Mk 2 is appointed what should be expect? There has been zero progress; we look disjointed, we are still hoofing the ball, we are persevering with Glazel who is poor and we desperately need a midfielder who can run with the ball and do anything with it that doesn't involve the hit and hope style we play. Would I have Warnock back? Possibly.
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I still back Harris.
Completely pointless saying get Eddie Howe as he wouldnt come. Hed want money. His next job is a big one. Its hard to see this squad going up.
We will be in real financial difficulty next summer and will probably if anything be selling not buying.
Howe wont want any part of us.
Harris though has to make big improvements on last night. The majority of the game we were shocking.
If performances like last night continue then he will be under pressure. If this keeps up then December maybe look at alternatives. Pearson maybe.
I think Harris will turn this around though.
I think its clear hes made an error in not getting another right back in. We should address that by looking at the free agents.
Its not just for the full back position but to get Ralls and Bacuna together in the middle and have either Wilson Tomlin or Ojo as the 10.
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Hilts
I still back Harris.
Completely pointless saying get Eddie Howe as he wouldnt come. Hed want money. His next job is a big one. Its hard to see this squad going up.
We will be in real financial difficulty next summer and will probably if anything be selling not buying.
Howe wont want any part of us.
Harris though has to make big improvements on last night. The majority of the game we were shocking.
If performances like last night continue then he will be under pressure. If this keeps up then December maybe look at alternatives. Pearson maybe.
I think Harris will turn this around though.
I think its clear hes made an error in not getting another right back in. We should address that by looking at the free agents.
Its not just for the full back position but to get Ralls and Bacuna together in the middle and have either Wilson Tomlin or Ojo as the 10.
The first half last night, looked like the players were disinterested. Last time I seen a performance like that, was when Andy Legg led a revolt of players to get Bobby Gould (I think) out. I think it was at Barnet. Strange times indeed, as these same players, were a goal away from a play off final, a few months ago, so what has happened to them.
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BLUETIT
The first half last night, looked like the players were disinterested. Last time I seen a performance like that, was when Andy Legg led a revolt of players to get Bobby Gould (I think) out. I think it was at Barnet. Strange times indeed, as these same players, were a goal away from a play off final, a few months ago, so what has happened to them.
Tomlin bailed us out.
The hope is Wilson and Tomlin make a big difference.
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BLUETIT
The first half last night, looked like the players were disinterested. Last time I seen a performance like that, was when Andy Legg led a revolt of players to get Bobby Gould (I think) out. I think it was at Barnet. Strange times indeed, as these same players, were a goal away from a play off final, a few months ago, so what has happened to them.
Tomlin, plus there was a team spirit and a cause. This season, it's 46 games, we've started poorly and they probably know there's little chance of us doing anything so they've slightly eased up.
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Hilts
I still back Harris.
Completely pointless saying get Eddie Howe as he wouldnt come. Hed want money. His next job is a big one. Its hard to see this squad going up.
We will be in real financial difficulty next summer and will probably if anything be selling not buying.
Howe wont want any part of us.
Harris though has to make big improvements on last night. The majority of the game we were shocking.
If performances like last night continue then he will be under pressure. If this keeps up then December maybe look at alternatives. Pearson maybe.
I think Harris will turn this around though.
I think its clear hes made an error in not getting another right back in. We should address that by looking at the free agents.
Its not just for the full back position but to get Ralls and Bacuna together in the middle and have either Wilson Tomlin or Ojo as the 10.
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
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the other bob wilson
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
Oh for a Chris Gunter NOW !!!!!!!
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the other bob wilson
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
That is the second player who is going to miss extended time this season after being rushed back from injury.
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J R Hartley
**** Off
Been waiting for this :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
His decisions to rush Bennett and JOT back in have been a bit odd, considering he's rotated so much. I'd like to see Bacuna back in the middle but that won't be possible for most of 2020 now!
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Pedro de la Rosa
His decisions to rush Bennett and JOT back in have been a bit odd, considering he's rotated so much. I'd like to see Bacuna back in the middle but that won't be possible for most of 2020 now!
It seems obvious to me.
He knows his best side and is feeling the pressure.
It is a results business and perhaps he's thinking along the lines of I might as well play someone earlier than ideal which has an element of risk attached to it as I might not be here in 5 games time when the risk is much lower.
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Vindec
We are no better now, arguably worse, than when Warnock was sacked. But when a Warnock Mk 2 is appointed what should be expect? There has been zero progress; we look disjointed, we are still hoofing the ball, we are persevering with Glazel who is poor and we desperately need a midfielder who can run with the ball and do anything with it that doesn't involve the hit and hope style we play. Would I have Warnock back? Possibly.
We certainly aren't worse than we were at this stage last season. We were lucky to have won any games at all having relied on late winners (96th and 88th minute) against Luton and Huddersfield and an own goal at home to Middlesbrough. We'd also been ripped apart by a Reading side who'd go on to finish 15th and had a calamitous start away at Wigan
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Re: Who would have Warnock back?
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the other bob wilson
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fran...spieler/370691
How about this guy
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Rjk
Scratch that he's out injured until January :facepalm:
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Rjk
Scratch that he's out injured until January :facepalm:
Perfect for us then :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
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MacAdder
It seems obvious to me.
He knows his best side and is feeling the pressure.
It is a results business and perhaps he's thinking along the lines of I might as well play someone earlier than ideal which has an element of risk attached to it as I might not be here in 5 games time when the risk is much lower.
He's rotated everyone bar his full backs and he's rushed both of them back too early. It is very odd.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Been waiting for this :hehe:
Can you imagine? Jesus wept.
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the other bob wilson
Neil Harris said after last night's match that Osei-Tutu will be out for four to six weeks and that Wilson's injury is not too serious, he may have to miss Saturday but should be alright after that.
I agree that we should have got an out of contract right back in, it could still be done, but a lot of the more realistic targets have found clubs now.
Bacona is obviously his back up right back, he has played there in the Premier League for Villa and Reading so why is everyone panicking,Nelson also looks comfortable at right back! Injuries happen, we can no longer afford to have reserves sitting in the stand like Warnock had costing us a fortune?
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BLUETIT
Oh for a Chris Gunter NOW !!!!!!!
Definitely should have signed him. Adam matthews also signed for Charlton on a 1 year deal too.
Especially Gunter he could have covered left back too.
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Fine Lines
Definitely should have signed him. Adam matthews also signed for Charlton on a 1 year deal too.
Especially Gunter he could have covered left back too.
I'm glad we didn't sign Gunter.
He's been average at best in this division for years.
He's now into his 30s, probably on a largish wage and would have been looking for a 2 year contract which I wouldn't have been happy about.
We needed to bring some younger players in desperately.
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Rjk
I'm glad we didn't sign Gunter.
He's been average at best in this division for years.
He's now into his 30s, probably on a largish wage and would have been looking for a 2 year contract which I wouldn't have been happy about.
We needed to bring some YOUNGER PLAYERS in desperately.
Good luck with that !!!
We needed experienced cover desperately, not some young inexperienced whippersnapper
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BLUETIT
Good luck with that !!!
We needed experienced cover desperately, not some young inexperienced whippersnapper
We had comfortably the oldest squad in the league last season - half of them over 30 and approaching the end of their contracts - we've seen with Sol Bamba how quickly player performance can drop off a cliff post 30 - he was probably our best player not too long ago. Now he's just eating up a section of the wage bill.
Signing Gunter would just be building up more problems for next summer
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Ianto13
Bacona is obviously his back up right back, he has played there in the Premier League for Villa and Reading so why is everyone panicking,Nelson also looks comfortable at right back! Injuries happen, we can no longer afford to have reserves sitting in the stand like Warnock had costing us a fortune?
If you have Bacuna at RB then you have the erratic moments closer to your goal and rely too heavily on Pack (slow) and Vaulks (has been poor this year, potentially a lower half-championship player only) in midfield. That's not going to help move the ball quicker at all.
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Ianto13
Bacona is obviously his back up right back, he has played there in the Premier League for Villa and Reading so why is everyone panicking,Nelson also looks comfortable at right back! Injuries happen, we can no longer afford to have reserves sitting in the stand like Warnock had costing us a fortune?
Is that lilke Bacuna, only a bit rasher ?