NEIL HARRIS SACKED - CONFIRMED

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Exactly what I was thinking :thumbup:

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To give you some samples

Mark Hughes - 37%
Paul Cook - 43%
Eddie Howe - 41%
Tony Pulis - 36%

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

And therein lies the problem.

What he did here is no surprise. His win percentage was not far off what he achieved at Millwall. His playing style wasn't that different to what he produced at Millwall.

It makes you wonder what the three who picked him thought he was going to achieve here?

The cheap option again it seems which has turned into an expensive pay off again.

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I can see why it could have been thought a good thing. We've been through some extremes in playing "style": OGS and Trollope vs Mackay, (Slade) and Warnock. It's expensive to make wholesale changes in players every other manager. They probably thought that he was a slightly more modern Warnock that could have steered the team to a more modern game.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

40% win record is not to be sniffed at.

Malkys time with Cardiff was a success and his win record was 43%.

His record at Watford before he got the job was 33%

if people think we are going to get a manager with a win rate much above 40% they are seriously, seriously deluded.

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Who said we are?

When all is said and done. He did well to get us to the play offs last season but we did not go up.

15th this season wasn't good enough and it wasn't for the owner.

That is about it really.

He also didn't have a 40% win record here.

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Originally Posted by surge

Might be time from our point of view but what makes us an attractive option now? This year we're at a risk of going down and next year our midfield is still going to struggle. That doesn't cry out as a good first managerial job when you're enjoying working in Belgium.

We're really after a caretaker to get us to end of the year in this league and offer enough of a budget to change our midfield for next year to new manager.

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Well that's right. This is no time for a learner. Obviously we need an old hand and it's to be hoped, as has been suggested, that they've had their man in mind for some time.

I'd just like to say thank you Mr Harris for your services to the club.

You must have known it wouldn't be an easy ride inheriting a bunch of players failing as a team. Getting us to the play offs last year was no mean achievement.
You brought a few good boys in but unfortunately it wasn't quite enough.
I have no doubt you gave it your best shot.

I wish you good luck for the future.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Who said we are?

When all is said and done. He did well to get us to the play offs last season but we did not go up.

15th this season wasn't good enough and it wasn't for the owner.

That is about it really.

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Youre cocking your nose up at 40%. What previous win rate is going to be acceptable for you not to threaten to not renew your season ticket before a manager has even taken charge of a game? 45%? 50%%? 60%

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Originally Posted by PhyllisStant

I wondered that too. I've heard that the two new boys in weren't his signings - so it was make sense.

If that's true is there the possibility that the incoming manager recommended them?

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Possibly.
If they weren't his boys, and it seems to make sense, then it could be that whoever comes in will just have to work with what he's got and continue getting the big wage earners off the books.
I sincerely hope not and that they have some "proper" plan in mind!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

They must have the next manager lined up now to have only just done it

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Let’s face it, they should have, the length of time this has been going on.....

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

They must have the next manager lined up now to have only just done it

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Dalman being organised? That will be a first and a worry, as it means it’s pulis....hello league 1

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Youre cocking your nose up at 40%. What previous win rate is going to be acceptable for you not to threaten to not renew your season ticket before a manager has even taken charge of a game? 45%? 50%%? 60%

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What I'm cocking my nose up at is his win percentage this season.

25%.

You'll probably have a response. It wasn't good enough in my eyes and wasn't in the eyes of the owner. That's about it really.

On to the new man who hopefully gets us playing a bit and winning games.

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

I'd just like to say thank you Mr Harris for your services to the club.

You must have known it wouldn't be an easy ride inheriting a bunch of players failing as a team. Getting us to the play offs last year was no mean achievement.
You brought a few good boys in but unfortunately it wasn't quite enough.
I have no doubt you gave it your best shot.

I wish you good luck for the future.

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+ 1

He must be going through it right now and it's not his fault because he gave it 100% and did his best. There was a big element of bad luck but sadly the bottom line is results so although it could easily have gone differently ,it didn't , and he carries the can.

I for one have complete respect for him and wish him very well indeed. I have no doubt that he's learned a great deal which will help him go on to great success somewhere in time.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

To give you some samples

Mark Hughes - 37%
Paul Cook - 43%
Eddie Howe - 41%
Tony Pulis - 36%

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Interesting stats. The draws (or not losing) must make the big difference then.
NH comes to about 1.45 points/game for CCFC compared to MM at 1.62. MM's must have been pretty good in the Championship.

(oops - replied to wrong post)

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

What I'm cocking my nose up at is his win percentage this season.

25%.

You'll probably have a response. It wasn't good enough in my eyes and wasn't in the eyes of the owner. That's about it really.

On to the new man who hopefully gets us playing a bit and winning games.

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Our win percentage this season is not 25%.

Whoever comes in will have to cope with fans calling for the manager’s head after 2 defeats on the trot (a la Real Madrid) and saying we deserve better (quoting our glorious history of 2 seasons in top flight in 50 years).

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

40% win record is not to be sniffed at.

Malkys time with Cardiff was a success and his win record was 43%.

His record at Watford before he got the job was 33%

if people think we are going to get a manager with a win rate much above 40% they are seriously, seriously deluded.

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Yeah, winning 40% of your games is not a problem.

Neil Harris's problem was the 11 defeats in 24 league games this season.

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Our win percentage this season is not 25%.

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You are right. It is 33%. I looked at Millwall below City as I looked across.

It is still not good enough for this team or squad. The sentiment remains.

It amazes me that some are still arguing for Harris on the thread.

It was nowhere near enough this time round. If this wasn't sorted out he could well have taken us down.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Whoever comes in will have to cope with fans calling for the manager’s head after 2 defeats on the trot (a la Real Madrid) and saying we deserve better (quoting our glorious history of 2 seasons in top flight in 50 years).

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We certainly deserve better than 6 defeats in a row surely

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

It amazes me that some are still arguing for Harris on the thread.

It was nowhere near enough this time round. If this wasn't sorted out he could well have taken us down.

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Nobody is defending Harris but they're criticising you because you're talking out of your arse.

Your first post says his win %age was similar to Millwall, then you say it isn't that, its this and then that. Just give it a bloody rest. Stick to watching Schalke and leave the stats :-).

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Originally Posted by binman

Thank you and good luck Neil

I'm never happy when anybody loses their job but the warning signs were there from the League Cup game at Northampton that the team was all over the place and your job was to identify that and rectify it - it didn't happen and performances have not improved. The Coventry, Wycombe and Derby defeats were utterly dreadful. The Swansea defeat was depressing in seeing the gulf in class to a team that finished behind us last season.

The harsh reality is that it wasn't going to improve without a different approach and the board were therefore right in their decision.

I wish you well and hope you can find another job in football as he seems a decent fella

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Harris is going to spend the next 20 years making upwards of £250K. He'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Harris is going to spend the next 20 years making upwards of £250K. He'll be fine.

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I very much doubt that. He's going to struggle to get a Champ job next and if he doesn't crack his next job, he'll probably be done.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

To give you some samples

Mark Hughes - 37%
Paul Cook - 43%
Eddie Howe - 41%
Tony Pulis - 36%

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Win rate is a strange statistic. As you say, 40+% is decent. PPG would a much better indicator. But even then, one bad season (like being relegated from the PL - or a couple of seasons struggling in the PL) can screw that up.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Win rate is a strange statistic. As you say, 40+% is decent. PPG would a much better indicator. But even then, one bad season (like being relegated from the PL - or a couple of seasons struggling in the PL) can screw that up.

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Alan Cork has a win rate of nearly 49% and yet he wasn't very good! Slade had a win rate of 39.2% which is close to Warnock, Mackay, Jones etc.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Alan Cork has a win rate of nearly 49% and yet he wasn't very good! Slade had a win rate of 39.2% which is close to Warnock, Mackay, Jones etc.

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Whats he doing now?

Could be the answer.........

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Whats he doing now?

Could be the answer.........

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Just spotted on the Severn bridge heading west laughing his head off

Great news, wrong manager from day one. I have nothing postive to say about him or his appointment.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

It amazes me that some are still arguing for Harris on the thread.

It was nowhere near enough this time round. If this wasn't sorted out he could well have taken us down.

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You should put your CV into Wayne Nash youre very good at moving the goalposts.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Great news, wrong manager from day one. I have nothing postive to say about him or his appointment.

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Youve never got anything positive to say about anything. One of lifes moaners. Im surprised youre able to get out of bed in the morning.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Great news, wrong manager from day one. I have nothing postive to say about him or his appointment.

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Harsh.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Youve never got anything positive to say about anything. One of lifes moaners. Im surprised youre able to get out of bed in the morning.

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What did you see in Harris's sides performances that enabled you to keep the faith with him?

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Confirmed.

Personally not particularly happy about it when it’s the players fault but he made the decision a lot easier

Good luck to Harris don’t think he was helped by the players but onto pastures new for us.

Interesting to see who they will bring in

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Agreed ... having said that, if many of the current players want to improve, they need to find a new club.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Win rate is a strange statistic. As you say, 40+% is decent. PPG would a much better indicator. But even then, one bad season (like being relegated from the PL - or a couple of seasons struggling in the PL) can screw that up.

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Oh I agree but Lewj brought it up and seems to be implying we should never had appointed Harris in the first place because his won ration was ONLY 41.6% at Millwall. He got Millwall promoted, got us to play-offs in his first season. Im sure there will be other teams taking a punt on him, he wont be out of work long. It didnt happen for him this season but hey ho such is life. At least it gives you lot the chance to sharpen your knives ready for the next manager.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Can’t see Morrison staying with the under 23s either.

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Possibly put in interim charge?

Saw the highlights of the U23 game v the Jacks and it was actually a pleasure seeing a decent standard of football.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

What did you see in Harris's sides performances that enabled you to keep the faith with him?

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Empathy towards his situation this season is why I kept the faith in him. I also think he earned credit last season and deserved the chance to turn it around. It didnt happen and hes paid the price. 6 losses in a row I cant defend him but as ive said I dont believe hes making all the decisions. Especially this last month or so.

Lets see how the next manager can do with a midfield of Vaulks / Ralls / Pack / Bacuna.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Empathy towards his situation this season is why I kept the faith in him. I also think he earned credit last time and the chance to turn it around. It didnt happen and hes paid the price. 6 losses in a row I cant defend him but as ive said I dont believe hes making all the decisions.

Lets see how the next manager can do with a midfield of Vaulks / Ralls / Pack / Bacuna.

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Fair comment.

I find it hard to have empathy for football managers .

I had a bit for Slade because I was extremely critical of him , but wasn't sure why?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Makes you wonder who signed Ng and Watters.

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Glenn Roeder - been tans DOF all along.:hehe:

More I think about it, the more I think that this was a bad sacking. Another scape goat.

Aging squad
Recruitment seemingly taken out of his hands
Transitional year.

Always on a hiding to nothing.

Whoever comes in it's going to be tough

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

You should put your CV into Wayne Nash youre very good at moving the goalposts.

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Said you :hehe:

Twist it any which way you like.
This season was not good enough and has cost him his job.

Mention what you like to try to point score(and you probably will). Those are the facts. Your man has gone.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Win rate is a strange statistic. As you say, 40+% is decent. PPG would a much better indicator. But even then, one bad season (like being relegated from the PL - or a couple of seasons struggling in the PL) can screw that up.

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Win rate is only part of the story and irritates me as a result.