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Agree with a lot of the comments above and although he might be marginally better than what we have at the moment, i.e. a grafter, he hasn't got the creative quality we are desperately in need of.
The older he gets the slower he gets and perhaps this has already been noticed.
Arter did okay with us in the prem but he is hardly subtle in the tackle.
We have a rep already of being a "tough uncompromising anti-football" team and bring him here would exacerbate the situation.
Its a "no" from me.
I think he's better than what we already have in the middle, that's a worry but it's my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
Better than what we already have - it would be difficult to be any worse!Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
He's a lot better than what we've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
We're not in a position to be turning our nose up at a midfielder that actually plays like one.
Bacuna was like the invisible man Wednesday against Barnsley.
If he's a lot better, why do you think 20th placed Nottingham Forest have decided to let him go?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
EXACTLYQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Kind of my thoughts, I do think he's better than what we got but there are mor expressing issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
Based on what? he can run around and get stuck in? Forest are shit and they want rid. I don't know how anyone can watch our bunch of cloggers and think we need another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
If you watched that game today and the game against Barnsley and don't think Arter improves that central midfield then I'm worried for you.
If you've seen Arter play for Forest this season and you think that he improves our midfield then I'm worried for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Our midfield is a mess because most of them do a similar job, all have big limitations which need to be worked around and they're all on long and/or expensive contracts.
If there the increasingly restricted budget has had any role in stopping us revamping the midfield then adding a player who also fits that description isn't going to help us.
I've seen enough of our midfield and Harry Arter to be confident that he would improve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
His work rate is head and shoulders above some of our midfield. He is a better passer of the ball.and gets stuck in.
If you think all of our players do that then you can't have seen Bacuna against Barnsley, Ralls today and how bang average Vaulks has been this season.
For some players the club is not a great fit. Forest are hardly pulling up trees this season as a whole.
Just to clear this up I am not saying Arter is a world beater.
He is though, for me, a better all round player than the three we have in there at the minute.
I'm honestly not sure what our current midfield do or what their overall approach to a game is. It is low energy, they don't pass the ball, when they receive the ball the play slows down or they kick it away and you couldn't really describe any of them as getting stuck in, having too many goals in their locker or the ability to beat a man. All very ordinary and uninspiring.
Arter improves it for me but it is in the main a slight on the current central midfield at our club than praise for Arter to any great degree.
He's better than anything we've got
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
If anybody can look at those two balls Vaulks and Ralls played today where Moore was 10 yards ahead of them and they smacked it around 30 yards and over his head and say that Arter isn't better than that and keep a straight face then they're better than me.
Are the people on here who are putting the case for Arter basing it on when he was here a couple of years ago or have they watched him regularly this season?
They never miss a Forest match. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Yet, Arter misses plenty, and not through injury.....hmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Ok, what have you seen from our central midfield this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I've seen them not create anything. I've seen them in the main chase shadows. I've seen them being anonymous on way too many occasions to mention. I've seen them bypassed and passed through on a ridiculously regular basis.
What have you seen that is anywhere near the standard it should be?
I'm basing it on our midfield three. Again, IMO he's better than any of themQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
The guy just runs for the sake of it, he's 31 now so how long can he carry on playing at this level? He's not a good passer either despite some claims in this thread
We could do better, even his brother in-law didn't fancy keeping him around after Fulham were promoted.
Next year we have Bacuna, Vaulks, Ralls and Pack on our books. If we sign Arter we end up having exactly same thread this time next year but with one extra name to complain about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
Forest, who are 21st in the table, have played 26 games this season, Arter featuring in 13 of them, they’ve now told him he’s not wanted. Of course I’m disappointed in our midfield but doesn’t my first sentence in this message ring a few alarm bells to any club considering taking him on?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I'd have thought most people are expecting a loan deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
He can pass better than what the midfielders there at the moment can, which isn't very good at all. Most just hoof it in the general direction of somebody up the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Would we typically want better than Arter? Of course.
Would I take him given that the club seem to be sleep walking through seasons not acknowledging that central midfield is an issue? Yes.
You talk of Forest like they're a world away from where we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
They are six places and five points below us.
I can't believe anyone who has watched Cardiff City play this season seriously believes that what this side needs right now is Harry Arter.
Some of you people are nuts.
Better than them now? Or two seasons ago when we last saw him play regularly? As many players learn towards the end of their career, football is a ‘now’ game, not two years ago, even not two years time, current form is nigh on everything. We’ve got excited over the likes of Robbie Fowler and Rickie Lambert, even Steve White the Hereford goal machine, unfortunately Father Time had caught up. A scurrying, all action type such as Arter is exactly the type of player that the years are particularly unkind to unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
How much have you seen Harry Arter play this season? That's the player we would be signing, not the one who played for Bournemouth in the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Our midfield is poor, but signing Arter would not improve it.
We're crap and they're still below us in the table, so let's sign a player that they've decided isn't good enough for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Genius.
It's all about opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Some people seem to see more in Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna and Pack than I do. You'd go a long way to find more of an uninspiring quartet at this level.
For what it is worth I don't think we'll go for Arter and I doubt many players would relish coming here at the moment either.
You do realise players can have bad spells at clubs and improve at others.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Have you seen our central midfield this season?
Forest fans most probably feel they are a world away from us the position they’re in. But I’d imagine they’ve shed any tears over Arter being shown the door, he’s done, finished and, in these times of us fans imploring the club to be a bit more financially sensible, he’d be a massive waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
We could do with shipping out 3 of them and only keeping Ralls
Arter is 31. His career is clearly on a downward trajectory. He's not going to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I've seen almost every game that we've played this season. How much have you seen Arter?
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Originally Posted by blue lewj
Why do you keep mentioning our midfield? Their ability, or lack of it, is nothing to do with the fact that I’ll bet my bollocks that nobody championing him has seen him play recently ( he’s only had 13 outings before being shown the door). If you’ve got a dodgy car that struggles to start every morning you don’t buy another one with the same problem to replace it.
Ralls seems to always be talked of as if he is a level above the others here.Quote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
I'm not sure what he brings other than the odd goal (usually from the spot).
I'm not sure if it is sentiment plays a part here because he came through but when we are bad, which has been way too often this season, he is as guilty as any of the others for this.
I'm judging his passing ability on being able to pass forward, it's not something he can do. Our current crop aren't good I agree, but Arter doesn't bring anything new to the table. Is he going to make progressive passes? No. Is he going to be able to dribble the ball through midfield? No. Is he going to create space with his movement? No. That's the issue the club has right now, too many average midfielders who aren't looking to create chances, instead just run around. Having Arter here means we'll have another clogger to complain about in a years timeQuote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Like I said, he's 31 now and his style of play isn't going to do him any favours, never mind the fact he can't get into a side that's worse than us at the moment
I'm mentioning our midfield as our central midfielders are the players he is being directly compared with.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Would it not be odd to debate whether a player is better than your current players without mentioning or thinking about them?
Your car analogy might work if I thought Arter was the same standard of car. If you swapped your really crap car for a slightly less crap one with no other alternative then that would be closer to my thinking. I think it would be an improvement. Our current midfield does not function. I think Arter would improve it.
No one has said he's the answer to all our problems, what I think he is, is better than Vaulks, Pack and Bacuna.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman