Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
What the f*** is all this malarkey about xG and all these other stats, they don't mean a friggin' thing if your winning games, possession stats etc count for nothing if you're winning. And for not being so bad under Harris the team were shocking. They are playing better football now than for the past good number of years.
xG isn't as blunt as possession. It's a helpful stat. The companies that come up with this stuff work with elite sports teams around the world.
Although it's undeniable that if you take away the science and treat it as an art, the football we are seeing now is far better than anything we've had since promotion. And for the first time in a long time we are routinely winning games in manner where the result seems a foregone conclusion rather than a nice surprise.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
What the f*** is all this malarkey about xG and all these other stats, they don't mean a friggin' thing if your winning games, possession stats etc count for nothing if you're winning. And for not being so bad under Harris the team were shocking. They are playing better football now than for the past good number of years.
With you all the way on this one Cleve. As you said, we're winning games and playing better football, something we would not have done under Harris if he'd stayed here another 10 years. He had basically lost the team and lost the plot.
I don't think anyone would be questioning Mick's contract extension if he was a younger, more fashionable manager. They would be clamouring for him to sign on the dotted line in case he was head-hunted by a bigger club.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
I’ve nothing against MM, but this is a panic move by the club because of the Celtic story in the media.
Personally, I’d have rather the club took their time and re-assessed the situation at the end of the season.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebird23
I’ve nothing against MM, but this is a panic move by the club because of the Celtic story in the media.
Personally, I’d have rather the club took their time and re-assessed the situation at the end of the season.
The vast majority of managers are given the job without a trial period whatsoever and, in this case, after ten games an employer will have gleaned a great deal about a manager, his methods, his practical rather than theoretical ways of doing things and his man management skills. Comparing that scenario with just interviewing someone and carrying out background checks it's a lot to go on and perhaps has more gravitas than your assertion that it is a panic move based on a particular post being vacant elsewhere. And even if that were true it would be understandable if an effort has been made to secure a successful temporary encumbent who wasn't contracted to us for more than a couple of months more and who may very well be courted by other clubs in the meantime. I can't see the problem with that and it would be a far less satisfactory situation if we lost him in the circumstances.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebird23
I’ve nothing against MM, but this is a panic move by the club because of the Celtic story in the media.
Personally, I’d have rather the club took their time and re-assessed the situation at the end of the season.
How are you so sure that was the reason?
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
I have no issues with this move.
Of course I would prefer someone who can evolve the playing style more quickly, coordinate and harmonise the playing styles across the different age groups, improve our transfer policy and all the while maintain results... However, that is a long term project and frankly even our most talented players are not used to playing a more possession based form of football. So my 'wishes' are pretty unrealistic at the moment.
I thought that as a short term appointment MM and TC wouldn't be particularly bothered about the U18s and U23s and would be 'warnockish' in their approach.
As one poster said MM wasn't particularly coming off the back of a great appointment and his start at city is better than any start he's ever had as a manager, let alone his recent past.
My expectation was he would keep us up without addressing the other areas of the club I mentioned.
I was wrong. The football has improved (given the limitations of the - we are more exciting to watch, can score, concede far fewer goals and the players look like they are enjoying themselves. He's also been far more involved in the U18s and U23s and much more willing than I anticipated to bring on youth players.
I think we will have a game or two where we will get found out but overall the club are right to give him a longer term deal.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
Reason I hope we've discussed transfer strategy/longer term plan going forward is that MM appears to be a pragmatic manager who builds strategy on players available.
At end of this year we lose Wilson, Ojo, Hoilett and Williams. We also enter contract year of Murphy.
Murphy has played well under MM (he's on his way to making himself attractive in transfer market) which may have increased wage demands despite him being, presumably based on when he was signed, one of our more expensive players. Do you offer him a new deal? Pros: how well he's played in 5 of the 10 games, cons: he's not put in a run of form before MM and has only been on pitch at most for 76 mins under MM.
Are we a less attractive and dangerous side going forward if Ojo, Wilson and Murphy are replaced by Bacuna, Harris and Whyte? What players does MM want to supplement these?
What do you do about Flint (32 by start of next season), Ralls (28 in October), Smithies (31 by start of next season), Morrison (31 next January) and Pack (30 by start of next season) also? This group of players were signed/extended after promotion with contracts ending in summer of 2022 so are likely to be on more costly contracts than others in the squad, but they are all leaders who done well in this latest run. We're looking for a greater balance between youth and experience in squad, while also cutting costs, so how many of these do you extend?
Will be very interesting to see summer's transfer activity.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
As I said on the other thread, Dalman spoke on radio this am and said MM had interest/offers from other clubs. That is why City moved now.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
[QUOTE=AfricanBluebird;5173761]I have no issues with this move.
Of course I would prefer someone who can evolve the playing style more quickly, coordinate and harmonise the playing styles across the different age groups, improve our transfer policy and all the while maintain results... However, that is a long term project and frankly even our most talented players are not used to playing a more possession based form of football. So my 'wishes' are pretty unrealistic at the moment.
I thought that as a short term appointment MM and TC wouldn't be particularly bothered about the U18s and U23s and would be 'warnockish' in their approach.
As one poster said MM wasn't particularly coming off the back of a great appointment and his start at city is better than any start he's ever had as a manager, let alone his recent past.
My thoughts exactly .
I would love to see the club revolutionised , in fact the club must revolutionise to climb to the summit of modern football .
The problem with a huge change is it could bring a lack of results, simply because the type of players we have now might not be capable of playing a different style of football . I do accept I may be doing them a disservice ..
I expected great things when Trollope took over , I was genuinely excited that we were going to play some decent football .
Unfortunately for whatever reason it didn't materialise and we have been watching snow ball ever since his departure , spattered with a bit of Lee Tomlin .
Perhaps MM has a plan to bring us up to speed with our football.
One thing I will applaud him for is bringing some youth through .
He wouldn't have been my choice even after our great run. I hope he proves me wrong.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
As I said on the other thread, Dalman spoke on radio this am and said MM had interest/offers from other clubs. That is why City moved now.
I dont know whos more gullible. You or Dalman.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I have no issues with this move.
Of course I would prefer someone who can evolve the playing style more quickly, coordinate and harmonise the playing styles across the different age groups, improve our transfer policy and all the while maintain results... However, that is a long term project and frankly even our most talented players are not used to playing a more possession based form of football. So my 'wishes' are pretty unrealistic at the moment.
I thought that as a short term appointment MM and TC wouldn't be particularly bothered about the U18s and U23s and would be 'warnockish' in their approach.
As one poster said MM wasn't particularly coming off the back of a great appointment and his start at city is better than any start he's ever had as a manager, let alone his recent past.
My expectation was he would keep us up without addressing the other areas of the club I mentioned.
I was wrong. The football has improved (given the limitations of the - we are more exciting to watch, can score, concede far fewer goals and the players look like they are enjoying themselves. He's also been far more involved in the U18s and U23s and much more willing than I anticipated to bring on youth players.
I think we will have a game or two where we will get found out but overall the club are right to give him a longer term deal.
I agree. None of us want the club to be revolutionised in League 1. Let's face it MM has been far better than any of us expected.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
Be honest we were dreadful under Harris even when we were on that winning run.
There was no game plan it was if he just said here's the team for today good luck lads.
Harris reminded me of a bad local under 13's parks team manager. Turns up in his dodgy tracksuit banging on about how he was a semi pro left back in 1988 and then just shouts drivel the entire match, and loses.
The kids don't understand him, the parents hate him, but he comes away patting them on the back "never mind lads, you did yourselves proud, don't worry about losing 7-0" and then spends the next hour taking the nets down falling off the ladder.
Can't fault the desire and hunger from people him like him, just miles away from reality.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Monster munch
Harris reminded me of a bad local under 13's parks team manager. Turns up in his dodgy tracksuit banging on about how he was a semi pro left back in 1988 and then just shouts drivel the entire match, and loses.
The kids don't understand him, the parents hate him, but he comes away patting them on the back "never mind lads, you did yourselves proud, don't worry about losing 7-0" and then spends the next hour taking the nets down falling off the ladder.
Can't fault the desire and hunger from people him like him, just miles away from reality.
Sounds like a fair synopsis that.... dad :hehe:
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
[QUOTE=Jimmy the Jock;5173810]
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I would love to see the club revolutionised , in fact the club must revolutionise to climb to the summit of modern football
The problem with a huge change is it could bring a lack of results, simply because the type of players we have now might not be capable of playing a different style of football . I do accept I may be doing them a disservice ..
....
If we have concerns that current crop aren't ripe for revolution of playing style and don't fit as neatly into focus on developmental projects (cost cutting) club wants do we: i) look to sell them over the summer? ii) risk losing them for noting as contracts run out so MM doesn't have them in his second year? or iii) extend their deals in which case problem is only moved further down the road?
That's what I trying to say in my post...
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
I for one welcome our new overlord, Mick.
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
As I said on the other thread, Dalman spoke on radio this am and said MM had interest/offers from other clubs. That is why City moved now.
Yeah, right.
More like MM’s agent has played a media blinder here, to secure him this two year contract.
Given his recent record, I very much doubt a club better than Cardiff, would have come in for him at this stage of his career.
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Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
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Originally Posted by
Monster munch
Harris reminded me of a bad local under 13's parks team manager. Turns up in his dodgy tracksuit banging on about how he was a semi pro left back in 1988 and then just shouts drivel the entire match, and loses.
The kids don't understand him, the parents hate him, but he comes away patting them on the back "never mind lads, you did yourselves proud, don't worry about losing 7-0" and then spends the next hour taking the nets down falling off the ladder.
Can't fault the desire and hunger from people him like him, just miles away from reality.
Spot on :hehe:
I can't listen to him and no offence to him but is face gets on my nerves to
Re: Mick signs new 2 year deal.
Wonder why he started with Ralls last night and dropped bacuna? Pack has been decent of late. Happy to admit I know sh*t all.....
