GET CASTLE STREET OPEN TO TRAFFIC, voting form hopefully here.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird23

As I’ve pointed out a couple of times, buses go close to the train station, from multiple areas of the city.

Previously you posted people couldn’t get in to the city centre.

Now we’ve ascertained they can via Churchill Way, Penarth Road, Station Terrace, Westgate Street and Greyfriars Road.....how many more access points exactly do you need!

By the way, walking it’s half a mile from greyfriars road to the station, not a mile.

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As you have no idea of bus routes, I give up, I cannot debate a subject, if the person I am debating with, has no knowledge of the subject

As regards distance, google maps states it's a 15 to 20 minute walk, the average person can just about walk a mile in that time.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

As you have no idea of bus routes, I give up, I cannot debate a subject, if the person I am debating with, has no knowledge of the subject

As regards distance, google maps states it's a 15 to 20 minute walk, the average person can just about walk a mile in that time.

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Then educate us on bus routes. I took a look last summer and buses went to westgate st from the north of the city with a connection there to take you west of the City.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Then educate us on bus routes. I took a look last summer and buses went to westgate st from the north of the city with a connection there to take you west of the City.

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Buses from the north coming down either North Rd or Colum Rd wouldn’t have been able to get to Westgate St with Castle St closed, would they?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Then educate us on bus routes. I took a look last summer and buses went to westgate st from the north of the city with a connection there to take you west of the City.

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I’m baffled :shrug: as you two are saying “shut Castle Street”,

If you shut Castle Street, how can busses get to Westgate street ?

Or are you making it up, as you go along

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I’m baffled :shrug: as you two are saying “shut Castle Street”,

If you shut Castle Street, how can busses get to Westgate street ?

Or are you making it up, as you go along

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Back in the day you would have been the sort of bloke who’d have said you can’t close Queen Street how can we access the city centre?

With anything the council do there’ll always be people like you who are opposed to ‘change.’

By the way, I believe Castle Street was the fourth worst air pollution in the UK. If it’s re-opened how do you propose to address that?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I’m baffled :shrug: as you two are saying “shut Castle Street”,

If you shut Castle Street, how can busses get to Westgate street ?

Or are you making it up, as you go along

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Check out the cardiff bus website, the route i'm on, the 27, looks to me that it goes close to wood st, havelock st and around the back to the train station. Same for the buses from Pentwyn. I don't want to argue the toss with you about this, but from what i can see, there is access to the station and to connecting routes to the west of the city. If i'm wrong, then show me that i'm wrong, i have no problem with that, i'm not a stubborn arse like plenty on here. If the logistics aren't working then i'd gladly rethink my position. Anecdotes mean nothing though.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Buses from the north coming down either North Rd or Colum Rd wouldn’t have been able to get to Westgate St with Castle St closed, would they?

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I don't know, it looks to me like they take a different route, although maybe i'm not understanding what i'm looking at. Like i said to Bluetit, show some evidence and i'll gladly rethink my position. I have no problem with doing that.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I’m baffled :shrug: as you two are saying “shut Castle Street”,

If you shut Castle Street, how can busses get to Westgate street ?

Or are you making it up, as you go along

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I think the only way by bus to get to Westgate St from North Rd would be turn left into Stuttgarter Strasse, in front of the City Hall, then onto Boulevard de Nantes, onto Dumfries Place, turn at the lights and under the bridges into Newport Rd, turn right at the Blind Institute, then right down Adam St, past the gaol, under the bridge onto Bute Terrace, turn right into St Mary St, left by the Prince of Wales into Wood St, turn right into Scott Rd, then right into Havelock St and eventually left into Westgate St. Bit of a tour but it’s the only way I could work out.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Check out the cardiff bus website, the route i'm on, the 27, looks to me that it goes close to wood st, havelock st and around the back to the train station. Same for the buses from Pentwyn. I don't want to argue the toss with you about this, but from what i can see, there is access to the station and to connecting routes to the west of the city. If i'm wrong, then show me that i'm wrong, i have no problem with that, i'm not a stubborn arse like plenty on here. If the logistics aren't working then i'd gladly rethink my position. Anecdotes mean nothing though.

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I repeat, you are saying “shut Castle Street”

If you shut Castle Street, the 27 (which I use), cannot get access to the Central Hub of Cardiff


Watching footie now, goodbye

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I repeat, you are saying “shut Castle Street”

If you shut Castle Street, the 27 (which I use), cannot get access to the Central Hub of Cardiff


Watching footie now, goodbye

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You gotta laugh at you.

They should re-open the road to pander to the whims of one man, who only likes to use one bus.

Hysterical, comedy gold!

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Check out the cardiff bus website, the route i'm on, the 27, looks to me that it goes close to wood st, havelock st and around the back to the train station. Same for the buses from Pentwyn. I don't want to argue the toss with you about this, but from what i can see, there is access to the station and to connecting routes to the west of the city. If i'm wrong, then show me that i'm wrong, i have no problem with that, i'm not a stubborn arse like plenty on here. If the logistics aren't working then i'd gladly rethink my position. Anecdotes mean nothing though.

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Does the 27 come down Cathedral Rd way? If so it’s getting to the west of the city centre way before Castle St. I think Pentwyn buses would struggle unless they went straight across the lights at West Grove past the Blind Institute instead of turning right onto Newport Rd. Another way for Pentwyn buses would be Eastern Avenue/Western Avenue/ Mill Lane (the one opposite Llandaff rugby club), Cardiff Rd, Penhill and then Cathedral Rd.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I repeat, you are saying “shut Castle Street”

If you shut Castle Street, the 27 (which I use), cannot get access to the Central Hub of Cardiff


Watching footie now, goodbye

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Looks like you can't back yourself. Shame. Produce the evidence and i'll reconsider, instead of getting angry like you do.

Interesting that Bluebird23 is on this thread calling out posters for moaning:hehe::hehe: Pot, kettle, black springs to mind:hehe::hehe: Makes this messageboard what it is:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Looks like you can't back yourself. Shame. Produce the evidence and i'll reconsider, instead of getting angry like you do.

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I’m trying Tuerto, I’m giving Cardiff Bus loads of alternative ways of getting folk to the city centre:hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Does the 27 come down Cathedral Rd way? If so it’s getting to the west of the city centre way before Castle St. I think Pentwyn buses would struggle unless they went straight across the lights at West Grove past the Blind Institute instead of turning right onto Newport Rd. Another way for Pentwyn buses would be Eastern Avenue/Western Avenue/ Mill Lane (the one opposite Llandaff rugby club), Cardiff Rd, Penhill and then Cathedral Rd.

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Honest Splott, i don't know. I've just looked at the CB website, and from what i can gather, it looks like the buses get to the back of the station and around wood st. Take a look if you can be arsed. I might well be getting it wrong, wouldn't be the first time :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’m trying Tuerto, I’m giving Cardiff Bus loads of alternative ways of getting folk to the city centre:hehe:

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You're a good man splotty, Bluetit has taken his ball home and he's not coming out to play :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Honest Splott, i don't know. I've just looked at the CB website, and from what i can gather, it looks like the buses get to the back of the station and around wood st. Take a look if you can be arsed. I might well be getting it wrong, wouldn't be the first time :thumbup:

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My one post does show a bit of a convoluted route but it is a way of getting around the closing of Castle Street. If Cardiff Bus did try and persevere with alternative and new routes it would be strange at first with a bit of hoo-haahing but eventually the new and alternative become the norm and things settle down. It was chaos at first when Castle St closed with bus drivers not sure of what was happening. Perhaps it would be a smart move for the various council bodies to actually get together and work out a plan because it seems as though they work against each other rather than with each other. Is it a case of ‘empire building’ by the heads of the various departments, need their heads knocking together for the good of the city rather than them trying to win little personal battles. ( I’m not accusing any council official mind, it’s all personal opinion from afar)

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Originally Posted by splott parker

My one post does show a bit of a convoluted route but it is a way of getting around the closing of Castle Street. If Cardiff Bus did try and persevere with alternative and new routes it would be strange at first with a bit of hoo-haahing but eventually the new and alternative become the norm and things settle down. It was chaos at first when Castle St closed with bus drivers not sure of what was happening. Perhaps it would be a smart move for the various council bodies to actually get together and work out a plan because it seems as though they work against each other rather than with each other. Is it a case of ‘empire building’ by the heads of the various departments, need their heads knocking together for the good of the city rather than them trying to win little personal battles. ( I’m not accusing any council official mind, it’s all personal opinion from afar)

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Steve I'd put you in charge of so many things if I could :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

You're a good man splotty, Bluetit has taken his ball home and he's not coming out to play :hehe:

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Don’t get me started on ball games. Street football was the norm when I was a kid, too much traffic now, even ‘kerby’ is out of the question :hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Steve I'd put you in charge of so many things if I could :hehe:

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I’d f*cking learn ‘em:furious:

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Originally Posted by Bluebird23

You gotta laugh at you.

They should re-open the road to pander to the whims of one man, who only likes to use one bus.

Hysterical, comedy gold!

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One man debating, but 100’s need the service.

You need to get a life !

First knocking Magic Mick, now trying to have a go at me :hehe:

Water off a duck’s back my friend :wave:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Don’t get me started on ball games. Street football was the norm when I was a kid, too much traffic now, even ‘kerby’ is out of the question :hehe:

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Same where i grew up, it was my ninian Park. Did you ever do running commentary in your head as a kid when you played football in the street? :hehe: I did, always the last 30 seconds of the world cup final and i had to slot it in top corner, or mr Babbages green garage door as it was.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

One man debating, but 100’s need the service.

You need to get a life !

First knocking Magic Mick, now trying to have a go at me :hehe:

Water off a duck’s back my friend :wave:

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What's the score in the football :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Looks like you can't back yourself. Shame. Produce the evidence and i'll reconsider, instead of getting angry like you do.

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You're not paying attention to what is being said here.

Bluebird23 has suggested closing Castle Street to all traffic, including buses. Bluetit has suggested that doing so would deny access to the centre of Cardiff for buses from many routes, including the north of the city.

You've countered by saying "the route I'm on, the 27, looks to me that it goes close to wood st, havelock st and around the back to the train station."

As things stand it does indeed follow the route you suggest, but that's because Castle Street is currently open to buses, unlike earlier in the pandemic when it was closed to all traffic. For several months, the 27 bus (and many other services) had to start and finish in Greyfriars Road.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Looks like you can't back yourself. Shame. Produce the evidence and i'll reconsider, instead of getting angry like you do.

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Can you translate this into Ingurlish please :thumbup:

Then I can reply

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

What's the score in the football :hehe:

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Norwich are winning 2-1.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

What's the score in the football :hehe:

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Brighton just won 2-1 at Southampton

Norwich just about to win at Sheffield 2-1 . Injury time

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You're not paying attention to what is being said here.

Bluebird23 has suggested closing Castle Street to all traffic, including buses. Bluetit has suggested that doing so would deny access to the centre of Cardiff for buses from many routes, including the north of the city.

You've countered by saying "the route I'm on, the 27, looks to me that it goes close to wood st, havelock st and around the back to the train station."

As things stand it does indeed follow the route you suggest, but that's because Castle Street is currently open to buses, unlike earlier in the pandemic when it was closed to all traffic. For several months, the 27 bus (and many other services) had to start and finish in Greyfriars Road.

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Then i'm right as things stand at the moment. Thanks for clarifying that :hehe: So, what you're saying is that during the closure of castle street to buses, you couldn't get near the train station or to wood st? you would have to walk from greyfriars rd?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Can you translate this into Ingurlish please :thumbup:

Then I can reply

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I think that Castle St should be closed to all traffic apart from buses, and deliveries. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Then i'm right as things stand at the moment. Thanks for clarifying that :hehe: So, what you're saying is that during the closure of castle street to buses, you couldn't get near the train station or to wood st? you would have to walk from greyfriars rd?

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That's correct. The 27 and many other services (including those from areas outside the city) had to start and finish in Greyfriars Road - a place that is totally unfit for anything more than a handful of services as there simply isn't enough room.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I think that Castle St should be closed to all traffic apart from buses, and deliveries. Hope that helps.

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What about taxis?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That's correct. The 27 and many other services (including those from areas outside the city) had to start and finish in Greyfriars Road - a place that is totally unfit for anything more than a handful of services as there simply isn't enough room.

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Well, that's not good enough. I suppose it was trialed due to lack of travel etc. I think that Castle St should be open to buses and Taxis, as it is now, and as it will be in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What about taxis?

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Yeah, them as well.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Well, that's not good enough. I suppose it was trialed due to lack of travel etc. I think that Castle St should be open to buses and Taxis, as it is now, and as it will be in my opinion.

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What are your thoughts on the cycle lane on Kingsway that separates the pavement (and bus stops) from the road where the buses actually stop? I was going to say it's an accident waiting to happen, but I've already witnessed two accidents (and some violent repercussions) happen there despite having used the bus on only a handful of occasions in recent months.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Steve I'd put you in charge of so many things if I could :hehe:

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Not quoting posts though, right? Please tell me you've give that position to anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Not quoting posts though, right? Please tell me you've give that position to anyone else.

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Literally anyone

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

One man debating, but 100’s need the service.

You need to get a life !

First knocking Magic Mick, now trying to have a go at me :hehe:

Water off a duck’s back my friend :wave:

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Your comment is so apt, as you’ve proved to everyone on this thread, you’re Quackers!

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Not quoting posts though, right? Cheeky bugger :facepalm:Please tell me you've give that position to anyone else.

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nasty pieces of work, you two.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird23

Your comment is so apt, as you’ve proved to everyone on this thread, you’re Quackers!

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Whereas you have proved, well nothing actually !

That's you, a nothing !

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Originally Posted by splott parker

nasty pieces of work, you two.

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Quack, Quack. :hehe: