James Collins - Signing agreed

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Originally Posted by City123

I'm a bit concerned about the players we've signed/been linked with since Mick came in. The squad's got plenty of "experience", the starting 11 against Rotherham on the final day had 1,298 Championship appearances between them, despite the absences of Morrison & Bennett as well as the inclusion of youngsters

Collins is ok as a backup and one off, but being linked with the likes of Rhodes hardly fills me with confidence

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I think the Rhodes think was out of necessity, as Mick thinks Glatzel is dreadful. Let's see what happens. We have a Kane like problem at Cardiff, we're signing a backup to Moore. If we signed a young striker, they'd cost millions. Ashley Fletcher is probably the best one on a free but he's hardly prolific and is injury prone.

Let's see how the window pans out but this is a good signing in isolation.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I think the Rhodes think was out of necessity, as Mick thinks Glatzel is dreadful. Let's see what happens. We have a Kane like problem at Cardiff, we're signing a backup to Moore. If we signed a young striker, they'd cost millions. Ashley Fletcher is probably the best one on a free but he's hardly prolific and is injury prone.

Let's see how the window pans out but this is a good signing in isolation.

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Would happily welcome Fletcher at Cardiff, but as you stated he is injury prone and Cardiff don't need another Vassell.

The advantage with Collins in the short term is that Cardiff would gain a seasoned professional who in the last 4 seasons for Luton Town has had no trouble finding the net. Looking at his two seasons in the Championship for a non prolific Luton Town he is responsible for a 1/4 of their goals.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Twenty nine goals in the last two seasons is pretty impressive - 31 in December though.

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31 goals in December. That's one hell of a Christmas. 😅

If true Collins would be decent and sensible signing for us.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Free doesn't mean free these days. The fact a player is free means either a huge signing on fee or large wages or a combination of both.

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I reckon it does in this case. We might have offered more money than Boro but huge / large won’t apply to a player coming from Luton. Mick gave him his first Irish cap so it’ll be a one to one discussion.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Weird. I've never heard of him. He doesn't seem much to get excited about.

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Never heard him?
Now that's weird.

Meh

Mike McGrath reporting it is a 2 year deal. He's pretty reliable. I think that's pretty good. Proven goalscorer and if it goes wrong, we're not lumbered with him for years and years.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Mike McGrath reporting it is a 2 year deal. He's pretty reliable. I think that's pretty good. Proven goalscorer and if it goes wrong, we're not lumbered with him for years and years.

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That leaves us with

Moore
Collins
Glatzel
Harris
Watters
Vassell

You'd have thought at least 2 of those will need to be moved on

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Mike McGrath reporting it is a 2 year deal. He's pretty reliable. I think that's pretty good. Proven goalscorer and if it goes wrong, we're not lumbered with him for years and years.

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Seems like a reasonable signing all in all.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Mike McGrath reporting it is a 2 year deal. He's pretty reliable. I think that's pretty good. Proven goalscorer and if it goes wrong, we're not lumbered with him for years and years.

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this signing makes sense. who else should we have got?

We better be quick , Dortmund are monitoring the situation .

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That leaves us with

Moore
Collins
Glatzel
Harris
Watters
Vassell

You'd have thought at least 2 of those will need to be moved on

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Glatzel will go back to Germany and Mick's said he's not against loaning Harris out (who has just signed a 2 year deal). I think they'll loan out Watters and nobody in their right mind is going to take Vassell off us. Let's just hope the bloke can end his horrible luck with injuries.

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Seems like a reasonable signing all in all.

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Agreed. He's only here to take the pressure off Moore, which Glatzel couldn't. If he's the main man then it's a different story.

Signed.

Grumbling here - hell be ok (probably the price we should have paid for Gary Madine) but he’s blocking the path of younger players in my opinion

Good news.
Unless of course he is Moore's projected replacement, in which case, not such good news.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Mike McGrath reporting it is a 2 year deal. He's pretty reliable. I think that's pretty good. Proven goalscorer and if it goes wrong, we're not lumbered with him for years and years.

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This is what I posted earlier:

"Collins on a 2 year deal looks like a smart move but Collins on a 4 year suggests we're going in the wrong direction."

I was dreading it being a 3 year deal! It's possible that our striking options looks as follows next year:

1. Moore
2. Harris
3. Collins
4. Vassell
(Watters and Glatzel out on loan.)

That looks so much better than this year.

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Originally Posted by Kitman

Grumbling here - hell be ok (probably the price we should have paid for Gary Madine) but he’s blocking the path of younger players in my opinion

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Which younger players?

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Aaron Collins is a better investment than Max Waters. Lewis Collins has done really well.

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Always very Professional. :facepalm:

He'll be the third James Collins to play for the club, after Welsh International James 'Ginge' Collins and Jimmy Collins, a forward to play for us in the late 1930s. We've had two Ken Jones' too, and 2 Eddie Jenkins' and 2 Ray Daniel, and 2 Kevin Lloyds, 2 John Williams'.

But there's only one Peter Whittingham!

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Originally Posted by surge

This is what I posted earlier:

"Collins on a 2 year deal looks like a smart move but Collins on a 4 year suggests we're going in the wrong direction."

I was dreading it being a 3 year deal! It's possible that our striking options looks as follows next year:

1. Moore
2. Harris
3. Collins
4. Vassell
(Watters and Glatzel out on loan.)

That looks so much better than this year.

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Vassell :hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Vassell :hehe:

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Would like to see us find room for him in the teamIN ADDITION TO MOORE.
This would provideMoore with the support he really needs.

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...-james-collins

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Originally Posted by cardiff55

He'll be the third James Collins to play for the club, after Welsh International James 'Ginge' Collins and Jimmy Collins, a forward to play for us in the late 1930s. We've had two Ken Jones' too, and 2 Eddie Jenkins' and 2 Ray Daniel, and 2 Kevin Lloyds, 2 John Williams'.

But there's only one Peter Whittingham!

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How many Schwinkendorfs have we had?

This pushes Watters even further down the queue. For a reported £1m signing, he could have an incredibly short-lived career at the City.

Don't know a lot about him, I suppose he will replace Glatzel in the back up role. Unless Moore is sold which is possible.

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Which younger players?

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Watters and Harris. Feels a bit odd giving Harris a contract extension then signing Collins.

But thinking about this a bit further, this season beat the crap out of Kieffer, the type of player he his must be exhausting and he looked shattered by the end. Having Collins to ease the burden is quite smart, and for a free seems like good business.

You wouldn’t play him and kieffer in the same team so he probably doesn’t impact watters and harris that much

So yeah I’m on board

I think it's a very shrewd signing.
He could be a ready-made like-for-like replacement for Kieffer should he leave, or provide back up and support to ease the burden that Kieffer has been carrying throughout this season.
My worry is that the board will be more easily swayed to let Kieffer go.

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whooooosh, 64 goals in 150 games

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Originally Posted by Kitman

Watters and Harris. Feels a bit odd giving Harris a contract extension then signing Collins.

But thinking about this a bit further, this season beat the crap out of Kieffer, the type of player he his must be exhausting and he looked shattered by the end. Having Collins to ease the burden is quite smart, and for a free seems like good business.

You wouldn’t play him and kieffer in the same team so he probably doesn’t impact watters and harris that much

So yeah I’m on board

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Kitman

Watters and Harris. Feels a bit odd giving Harris a contract extension then signing Collins.

But thinking about this a bit further, this season beat the crap out of Kieffer, the type of player he his must be exhausting and he looked shattered by the end. Having Collins to ease the burden is quite smart, and for a free seems like good business.

You wouldn’t play him and kieffer in the same team so he probably doesn’t impact watters and harris that much

So yeah I’m on board

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Looking at his stats in a bit more detail, he's not an exact replica of Moore.
Doesn't win a particularly high number of aerials (could also be down to the way Luton play), drops deeper, works very hard in pressing - I don't think playing both of them is out of the question.

he's on board

he's a bluebird

have it

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I love old style messageboards like that

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Great quote player I like :

Great player for the TOWN

Abiding memory...Portsmouth at home- night game. snow....he cleared from a Portsmouth corner...and chased it to the halfway line to stop them coming back...

What a player!!!!

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Great quote player I like :

Great player for the TOWN

Abiding memory...Portsmouth at home- night game. SNOW ....he cleared from a Portsmouth corner...and chased it to the halfway line to stop them coming back...

What a player!!!!

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Definitely not Derby :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I love old style messageboards like that

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makes you grateful to have a dynamic messageboard like this :thumbup::thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Kitman

Watters and Harris. Feels a bit odd giving Harris a contract extension then signing Collins.

But thinking about this a bit further, this season beat the crap out of Kieffer, the type of player he his must be exhausting and he looked shattered by the end. Having Collins to ease the burden is quite smart, and for a free seems like good business.

You wouldn’t play him and kieffer in the same team so he probably doesn’t impact watters and harris that much

So yeah I’m on board

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I hope we won't play him and Keiffer in the same team unless we're chasing the game, but you never know with the way we've played the game for the last seven seasons.

I also hope that he doesn't become our first choice if we sell Keiffer. He looks a good signing as a back up for Keiffer, but I'm not sure about a direct replacement for him, but it seems like a clear drop in standards if he was our first choice striker next season.