Retained list released

How people's attitude changes.
On here people are questioning the release of Williams whilst in another thread people are agreeing that he does a lot but doesn't actually achieve much, doesn't add much to the team when he does play and has a lousy goal scoring record.

Looks like the club has made your minds up for you.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

How people's attitude changes.
On here people are questioning the release of Williams whilst in another thread people are agreeing that he does a lot but doesn't actually achieve much, doesn't add much to the team when he does play and has a lousy goal scoring record.

Looks like the club has made your minds up for you.

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I suppose people are wondering why we paid a fee for him and gave him 174 minutes before releasing him.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I suppose people are wondering why we paid a fee for him and gave him 174 minutes before releasing him.

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Yes, I'm one of them, but from his stats it seems he flatters to deceive. If it frees up wages for someone who can make a difference it's a good thing.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Yes, I'm one of them, but from his stats it seems he flatters to deceive. If it frees up wages for someone who can make a difference it's a good thing.

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'm guessing wages weren't that large, but yes I agree.
I like him as a player, but if he's not going to be first choice then he's only blocking a path for a youngster to get some game time

Good to see such a shining comment on Colwill from the Wales camp. Apparently a great attitude and very professional. Lets hope he shows it for the club in the coming season too. A good International experience could do him the world of good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57301006

We didn't pay a fee for Williams, he was a free transfer. The £50,000 quoted in the papers I believe was the total cost of brining him to Cardiff, which includes his wages. If that is the case his wages would only be about £2-3k per week, and even on that basis I thought he would stay as he would have been a cheap option compared to the likes of Bamba and Bennett. But there again, it was just press reports and we know how accurate they are.

Mind you I agree that if we hadn't signed him some more of the youngsters should have had a chance and the money would have been saved. Maybe once he was here they saw something in him that made the club not want to keep him.

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Originally Posted by cardiff55

We didn't pay a fee for Williams, he was a free transfer. The £50,000 quoted in the papers I believe was the total cost of brining him to Cardiff, which includes his wages. If that is the case his wages would only be about £2-3k per week, and even on that basis I thought he would stay as he would have been a cheap option compared to the likes of Bamba and Bennett. But there again, it was just press reports and we know how accurate they are.

Mind you I agree that if we hadn't signed him some more of the youngsters should have had a chance and the money would have been saved. Maybe once he was here they saw something in him that made the club not want to keep him.

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Fair enough - not a huge gamble

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Fair enough - not a huge gamble

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Agreed. I even think he's capable of doing something at the Euros as a cameo, but he's arguably not suited to the rough and tumble of regular league football.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Seems to me disgraceful that the club withdrew contract offer to Joe Bennet because he was injured.
He’s been an outstanding servant and great contributor who’d done enough to be accommodated in some way.
Shows how insincere and mercenary it’s all become.

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But the club didn`t withdraw a contract offer. They offered him a new contract long before his recent injury but he refused to sign it because he was asking for improved terms. If he had signed it , he would now have a contract but it was him who allowed the deal to lapse before his existing contract ran out.

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Originally Posted by Ninian1962

But the club didn`t withdraw a contract offer. They offered him a new contract long before his recent injury but he refused to sign it because he was asking for improved terms. If he had signed it , he would now have a contract but it was him who allowed the deal to lapse before his existing contract ran out.

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A 31 year old asking for improved terms in the current circumstances shows either how out of touch footballers are with the real world or how they are led by greedy agents. I suspect a combination of both.

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Originally Posted by Cyncoed Slumdog

A 31 year old asking for improved terms in the current circumstances shows either how out of touch footballers are with the real world or how they are led by greedy agents. I suspect a combination of both.

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Yeah, I would have offered him improved terms........improved for the club!

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Originally Posted by Cyncoed Slumdog

A 31 year old asking for improved terms in the current circumstances shows either how out of touch footballers are with the real world or how they are led by greedy agents. I suspect a combination of both.

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Perhaps, or they just know they can get more money. If Watford were sniffing about, I think he'd have got a pay rise. I don't blame footballers looking out for themselves, clubs certainly don't. Bennett knew there was a risk of not signing a contract, he's gambled and whether it pays off will be known in the next few months!

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

The club isn't a charity

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Maybe not. I do however remember when it was more of a family including supporters players and everyone else.
We know that players can’t play forever, and can’t be kept on too long when this is the case. The circumstances around Joe’s unexpected long term injury at a time when his contract was in negotiation and he was playing marvellously, when taken together with his past loyalty and commitment warranted some leeway though in my opinion.
For example , he could have been put on half wages for 3/4 months during his recovery.
I’m no doubt very old fashioned but I regard this as very heartless and unnecessary .
It seems that there’s very little of the esprit de Corps which used to connect us remaining. We can often see this in these forums in fact, and personally I regard the treatment of Joe in this case as a serious indicator of changed attitudes. I do think that those who conduct themselves dishonourably cannot expect to be rewarded with good fortune and success.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Maybe not. I do however remember when it was more of a family including supporters players and everyone else.
We know that players can’t play forever, and can’t be kept on too long when this is the case. The circumstances around Joe’s unexpected long term injury at a time when his contract was in negotiation and he was playing marvellously, when taken together with his past loyalty and commitment warranted some leeway though in my opinion.
For example , he could have been put on half wages for 3/4 months during his recovery.
I’m no doubt very old fashioned but I regard this as very heartless and unnecessary .
It seems that there’s very little of the esprit de Corps which used to connect us remaining. We can often see this in these forums in fact, and personally I regard the treatment of Joe in this case as a serious indicator of changed attitudes. I do think that those who conduct themselves dishonourably cannot expect to be rewarded with good fortune and success.

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I don't think we've acted dishonourably at all.
We've offered a contract based on what we think he's worth and what we can afford, he's turned it down thinking he can get more
Then he's had a nasty injury and everything has changed, he'd obviously be worth less to us now if he can't play for half the season. Vry unfortunate on his part but those are the breaks. It often works the other way around where a player will sign a new contract and then get injured and the club still pick up the bill - think of Isaac Vassell for example.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I don't think we've acted dishonourably at all.
We've offered a contract based on what we think he's worth and what we can afford, he's turned it down thinking he can get more
Then he's had a nasty injury and everything has changed, he'd obviously be worth less to us now if he can't play for half the season. Vry unfortunate on his part but those are the breaks. It often works the other way around where a player will sign a new contract and then get injured and the club still pick up the bill - think of Isaac Vassell for example.

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True, and that’d certainly have been the case if they’d kept Williams. We’ve had plenty of low contributing injury prone people (Richards etc etc etc) and not complained too much but here’s a player who’s been here a long time , not been injured much and always given heart and soul on and off the field. What’s more, I’m personally of the opinion that he’d have more than repaid it once fit because it’s hard to think of a better player in the championship in that position.
Maybe Middlesbrough or even Watford will risk three months wages to get him working for them .

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

True, and that’d certainly have been the case if they’d kept Williams. We’ve had plenty of low contributing injury prone people (Richards etc etc etc) and not complained too much but here’s a player who’s been here a long time , not been injured much and always given heart and soul on and off the field. What’s more, I’m personally of the opinion that he’d have more than repaid it once fit because it’s hard to think of a better player in the championship in that position.
Maybe Middlesbrough or even Watford will risk three months wages to get him working for them .

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I've been as big a fan of Bennett as anyone on here, even when others were slagging him off, but to offer another deal now would make little sense

James Waite and Ryan Reynolds, two of the U23's released this summer, have signed for Penybont FC

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� A big day of signings!<br><br>In case you missed it, we&#39;ve announced the signings of Josh Graham from Barry Town United and James Waite and Ryan Reynolds from Cardiff City.<br><br>We&#39;ll be catching up with Josh, James and Ryan over the weekend ahead of pre-season.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BONT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BONT</a>��</p>&mdash; Penybont FC (@PenybontFC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PenybontFC_/status/1407020498228158466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Cymru Premier will have a real mix of Cardiff City's former youth players and Wales' Euro 2016 heroes playing in it next year - Dave Edwards recently made his debut for Bala which has added to Jazz Richards and David Cotterill.

Ben Cabango having a loan at TNS before reaching Euros 2020 and Priestley Farquharson going from Connah's Quay Nomads to Newport County so a little bit of interest whichever angle you're looking from.