which was the opinion of the courtQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Thankfully these two beauties were not involved in the legal process
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which was the opinion of the courtQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Thankfully these two beauties were not involved in the legal process
Eric, at the time sludge insisted she was not of sound mind and would probably be found unfit to plead. In reality when she was assessed she was found fit for trial. The opinion was that her mental health had appeared to have seriously deteriorated since her arrest but that at the time of the incident she was of sound enough mind to know what she was doing and was responsible for her actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I recall thinking when I read it that the deterioration in her mental health seemed a little too convenient to me, but that's just the cynic in me coming out.
Luckily your not involved either, or the jails would be empty, and the streets would be awash with nut jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This case goes to show how the police are absolutely inadequate at dealing with people and cases when mental health issues are involved
Regardless of any personal views of the police we have to accept that mental health is a significant problem and the police should be properly resourced and trained to deal with these kind of situations, which will increase, not decrease.
Also, the police are very disproportionate in their responses in some situations.
It needs a fresh look for sure.
Although it isn't as relevant in this country it's why "defiund the police" actually makes sense if you look into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
It means a lot of situations, such as incidents like this where there's a mental health issue, need to be handled by someone with different skills to what the police are trained in.
Situations like this are almost completely avoidable but the current system makes it difficult for everyone.
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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Do agree as some police people are absolutely inadequate at dealing with people and cases when mental health issues are involved however some, and I woudl argue its a sweeping statement to make as they do deal with them every day you only have t look at domestic dispute crime data that costs £66 billion in England and Wales alone , thankfully not everyone dies from every call out a lot of them are mental health issue related .
Tough job
Well clearly the judge and the psychiatrists were tricked by this woman and you are right , she was kidding themQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
what a lovely term , nut jobQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Can you throw in psycho , schizo ?
Dear me
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5196081]what a lovely term , nut job
Can you throw in psycho , schizo ?
Dear me[/QUOTE
See here’s the thing. You never give 2 fu*ks for the victims. Your’e always straight in supporting the perpetrator. You’re like a modern day Lord Longford.
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196097]Isnt Atkinson the victim in this case?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196097]Yeah I think that anyone stabbed by someone who is clearly ill deserves it and I don't care about them at allQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You are talking out of the crack of your arse you dozy sod
[QUOTE=Hilts;5196099]Atkinson , his old man and maybe the coppersQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
But at the moment the coppers are on trial
I won't put any of my opinions forward until the jury reach a verdict. I do have strong opinions but they've only been informed by what the media have decided to present to us, whereas the jury will have bundles of evidence plus the chance to assess the credibility of the witnesses. I have many criticisms of the court system but I'd rather be tried by a jury than a messageboard.
[QUOTE=Hilts;5196099]No. His Dad was.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5196103]You’d have probably taken Brady and Hindley on a picnic to the countryside to try and get to the root of their problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196107]In this case, Atkinson is the victim and the police officers are the defendants. What Atkinson may have done to his father will form part of the defence but he is not on trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I know a few coppers , nice folk the stuff they see always worries me especially their own mental health , being spat for purely doing their job , coming across crack dens with small infants crawling amongst the mess , finding folk who have died alone and let to rot for months ( image the smell ) , dreadful road accidents where limbs are severed , never mind the carnage left by a terrorists bomb that they have to and others attend too on our behalf
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196108]angry daily mail man of cardiffQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Next weeks letter .......littering and why people who do it should be beaten over the head with a cricket bat
they choose to do the job and they get paid for itQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Join the police and you are going to come into contact with people who are sometimes not very nice
Join the traffic department and you are going to have to deal with fatalities
Anyone who witnesses a traumatic event deserves treatment and help if it affects their lives , whatever they do
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5196114]Never read the mail in my life, but if it helps your cause by thinking that i do, then go ahead and knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Or folk could do what you did. Some voluntary work for a few yrs, then claim every benefit you can get your grubby hands on, go fishing, and constantly talk bollox on a message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196120]Single parents , cut child benefit , lazy scroungersQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
So what benefits do you think I am on then Mr angryQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The police do have a harrowing job and, of course, firefighters and health workers see all those horrible things too. It's important that employers closely monitor the mental health of their employees and this means police forces to identify any officers who may be suffering PTSD etc. before employing them on operations which may trigger them to overreact or behave inappropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am in total agreement . But most people who join the police force do so because of the excitement and unpredictability of the job and along with that comes traumatic stress .Quote:
Originally Posted by Helen Wiggy
Who’s angry? Thought this had turned into a guessing game. You guess i read the mail. I guess you claim lots of benefits..Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You are very angry , sun , mail , express , fox , it makes no differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Next week you will complain about people getting disabled car badges
Or religion not being given enough importance in school because it wasn't like that in your day
So tell me , what benefits do you think I am on
Given your age , you will soon be on the biggest benefit of them all
I know a few as well, i used to ( before C19 ) go out with them for a few beers and a curry, it has been mentioned that our Police need training to deal with people with mental health issues, they do these courses ( The call handlers also go on various mental health awareness courses as they are often the 1st point of contact and are trained to identify issues ) yet i guess when someone is coming at you with a Knife or weapon, you have to act with force, no point cracking out a flask of coffee and a Krispy Kreme and inviting the knife wielder for a calm chatQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You are right about the Police officers mental health, they have to deal with loads of crap, its a shame that a section of society in the UK fail to respect the police and the job they do
I respect good coppersQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I dont respect all of them
That would be plain daft as some of them shouldn't be in the job
Often they will only spot " PTSD " in officers when its too late and they snap, then of course its too late and that then gives Ammo to the section of society that do not need a 2nd excuse to run them downQuote:
Originally Posted by Helen Wiggy
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196108]WowQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well thats the fault of the police and government for not protecting the police and providing care for their employees ?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Its got nothing to do with these people in society you say are anti police running them down
If this copper is proven to have cracked under stress and booted this guy in the head then he's not going to be found guilty of serious charges
If it can be proven mental ill health led to him reacting in an over the top way then anyone who thinks he should be punished , and not treated , is an idiot
I'm sure people join the police force for many reasons, some perhaps because they're full of testosterone and are up for a bit of excitement. It's been documented that many join because of TV shows they've watched growing up and don't have any idea of the reality of what's ahead of them. The same can be said about youngsters signing up to the armed forces without any real conception of the things they're going to face.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5196134]He's off on one tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
well with excitement comes stressQuote:
Originally Posted by Helen Wiggy
18-year-olds don't always realise that though and they might not have anticipated how 'exciting'/stressful' it's going to turn out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Police forces have a responsibility to their staff and to the public to ensure that officers are mentally fit to deal with stressful situations at any point during their service.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196108]Harsh, but trueQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
[QUOTE=J R Hartley;5196141]Its bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
If anyone thinks that wanting and demanding justice for either someone attacked by the police or justice for a police officer who maybe over reacted in a very traumatic situation is some kind of apologist for child sex murderers then there is clearly very little going on upstairs
Or they are a reactionary angry I am a self made man , I didn't get where I am today by blah blah blah
Total nonsense
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5196165]You’re all over these kinda threads like a demented phycologist come social worker. Love to see you on the front line for a week with one of the emergency services. You’d probably shit yellow and hide in the nearest Mothercare.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley