The prime minister has furthered his career as a highly intelligent adult by using very similar language and humour and doesn't want to apologise for it. Why do you think they're trying to protect teenagers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
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The prime minister has furthered his career as a highly intelligent adult by using very similar language and humour and doesn't want to apologise for it. Why do you think they're trying to protect teenagers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Ive already said " He was a 18 year old acting the knob on social media " its a few posts upQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
As soon as the tweets came to light he apologised, now you might say " Yea but he had to try and save his career " yes he did, but I am unsure of anything else he could have done to put it right
He could have easily met with the ECB and explained his actions and said " I apologise for being a knob head at 18 " at anytime, does being pulled from the 2nd test ( and maybe more ) make people feel he is being punished for the crime ? ? ? how long should he be banned for ? ? ? 1 years, 2 years, 5 years ? ? ? what is the correct punishment for being a knobhead posting racist / sexist / unacceptable posts, we will all have different opinions on what the punishment should be, from the " he has apologised and cannot do anything more than that " to the " never pick him for international cricket again ", the big question is where is that line ?
As youngsters, people make mistakes, its lifes learning curve, if you have never made mistakes and made poor errors in judgement you are a lucky person , now at his age i wasnt making racist / sexist remarks because that wasnt in my nature, but i sure as hell did things that i wouldnt do now
for the record I am not apologising for piss poor behaviour, and his behaviour was obviously wrong and unacceptable, Ive said he was " acting the knob on social media " but I am not sure what more he can do going forward other than apologise for his tweets ( which he did straight away )
The ECB had no choice here as they operate a zero tolerance policy so had to act. A short suspension would be appropriate in the circumstances. No more than that. That’s on the understanding he appreciates what he said was wrong and has learnt from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
fair enough, miss the next test ( or even the series ) and we move forward in the knowledge that he has apologised and will not do anything like it againQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
but as i asked, will that be enough for some
It would be enough for me, although who cares what some people think. The important thing is that he can acknowledge what he said was wrong and that he can do something positive in order to show people that he isn't the same person. A written apology (by someone else) just wont do.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
No racist tweets in 9 years and you want him to prove he isn't a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
He was a nieve teenager and has apologised already in public.
You seem to want him publicly flogged.
If he tweeted this last week then you would have a point but it was a third of his lifetime ago ffs
You make it sound like racism/sexism/homophobia is something that teenagers have for a while then get over like acne! I don't think there would be figures out there to prove this either way, but my view is that in the majority of cases, if you hold racist views at eighteen, the likelihood is that you will at fifty - in fact, you may well be a worse racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by willo1927
It's being reported by the BBC that an offensive historical tweet has been found that was posted by a second England squad member. Furthermore, a player who could well replace Robinson in the team on Thursday, Craig Overton, has form in this area as well - this is taken from his Wikipedia entry;-
"During a County Championship match against Sussex in September 2015, Overton racially abused Pakistani batsman Ashar Zaidi whilst bowling. He received a two match ban as a result of the incident."
While you could argue as to which offence is the more serious, I'd say what happened with Overton sets a precedent and if Robinson received the same two game ban that should be an end to the matter unless there is a repeat of such behaviour from him.
Although I've not heard about examples of it happening in anywhere else but England, it seems that racial booing is becoming an issue again in football in the UK with the situation not being helped by the inaction of Johnson who has deemed the ECB's punishment of Robinson to be "over the top" and refused to condemn these who booed the taking of the knee before England's game with Romania on Sunday. The fact that man has come down on that side of the argument is all of the confirmation you need that the cricket authorities were right to take the action they have against Robinson.
Yeah, I want him flogged, and in front of a baying crowd of mad lefties, LGBT activists, Marxists and those who are offended on behalf of others..... Or, he could properly acknowledge what he has said, explain himself and do something positive to rectify the situation. Then resume his cricket career, or continue it while he learns that what he said was so very wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by willo1927
This thread is quite interesting in the fact that some people seem to think that what this bloke said was pretty standard fare for a young adult. Here's news, it isn't. Maybe some people on here are seeing this cricketer through their own eyes, in their form so to speak. Which would make sense considering the replies. If so, then I hope that they've learnt from the past, hopefully the cricketer will do the same.
Should teenagers be treated different because they're young and naive?
What excuse is there for fully fledged adults?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The CCMB kangaroo court had delivered its verdict - Life with no chance of parole. Take him away.
A switch from past tense to present tense there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
If we accept that no one is born a racist and it's learnt behaviour then there were definitely a higher number of people ready to teach someone racist jokes 10 years ago than there were teaching that same person to be anti-racist, and the further back you go that difference only grows. The behaviour was never right but for me the focus should be more on those in positions of power currently saying he's never done anything wrong and/or nothing should be done (setting themselves up as current teachers of this behaviour) who are, imo, acting worse than the cricketer who is admitting fault and error.
Based on his age at the time, the lack of instance since, his admission of fault and the need to take some action I would think a short suspension without further action is the right move to make. Of course if they sit down with him and he admits he only apologised to shorten the punishment and secretly still holds those views then more needs to be done.
The way I read the thread was that those on the side of the argument that some punishment was appropriate thought the EWCB punishment was appropriate. What did you see that suggested he was being hammered by those that responded?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You are an arsehole fair playQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
According to you nobody can change as they mature
Nobody is allowed to make a mistake
You must have been a right mummies boy as a teenager and never did anything you now regret.
Does the fact that they had to go back 9 years to find these tweets not show that he changed from being immature into a man who now knows that what he did was wrong?
Why did you bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by willo1927
I love the fact the purest pass judgment as they age , god most 18 year olds ( in particular football fans ) utter total garbage at that age they say offensive things to mainly garner attention and show off to others , to think this crass oubursts will now haunt this lad is equally worrying as the offence itself , its especially sad as he's just attained the proudest moment in his cricket life .
God rest the thought police.
Is it me or are the arguments of the racism apologists getting more and more feeble as this thread proceeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Well lifeonmars has said far far worse on here than these tweets.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Such as natural born UK citizens are white, underage girls groomed for sex knew what they were getting into, and a few other unsavoury morsels, and I'm sure he's well past the age of 18, so I'm not surprised he's on that side of the fence.
I don’t think he should be punished any more than he has been but it’s crazy how the exact people think an 18 year old isn’t old enough to not say racist things and his racism is learnt behaviour, also think a 14 year old girl is old enough to have her citizenship revoked for being a terrorist completely off her own back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57407788
The England and Wales Cricket Board says it will take "relevant and appropriate action" after historical tweets from several England players were "questioned publicly".
Yeah, that's my feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I think it's stupid to defend his behaviour because he was only 18 - he knew what he was doing! and yet feel the calls for his expulsion from the England team are way over the top.
Surely for a situation like this there has to be a balance.
Johnson was recorded colluding with a mate to have a journalist beat up - that is far more serious as it was more than words and actual intention to harm someone... why aren't people more upset about that. That incident alone should have excluded the man from ever being PM... and yet our standards have dropped so low for people in public office that he has gotten away with it.
Are you saying that all those who say that Robinson should not be suspended are racism apologists Bob?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Wow .Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It seems pretty obvious to me. I’ve not seen anyone arguing that some of the things Ollie Robinson tweeted were not racist. Therefore, there seems to be general agreement that he did send out some racist messages and according to an online dictionary I’ve just looked at, an apologist is”a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial”, so what’s there to argue about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Bang on. Of course it’s yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Of course he should be suspended, 1 or 2 games probably as otherwise it makes it seem as though th ECB doesn't consider racism as being important.
He'll be back though
England have Woakes Stokes and Curran coming back.
Also with a tour of Australia coming up England will want their fast bowlers of Archer Wood and Stone all on the plane along with Broad and Anderson.
Its not going to be easy getting back in even on merit.
We are blessed with few good lads will they deliver on the Aussies tracks though ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Depends on whether or not they've banged out any inflammatory tweets or not. I'm going to spend the next week or so scouring the net, might get in contact with a few of their mates etc, ex girlfriends, I'm determined to get the 'Truth'Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I am not shocked ,enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
That famous old sentence that begins, “I’m not racist but..........”
Have I said that Robinson shouldn't be suspended?Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Wow
Who made you judge and jury over everyone.
What some are saying is that taking into consideration his age at the time and the fact that no other instances have surfaced for 9 years then maybe he can be given the benefit of the doubt.
You call him a racist but you don't know him anymore than I do.
I'm sure if I made a remark or accused you of being something you would take me to task over it but you seem to think you can
accuse people you don't know of being this and that.
Because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't make them racist apologists it just means that in their opinion what action should be taken against him differs from yours.
Nobody on here has said its OK he's a racist because nobody knows if he is because we don't know him personally and that includes you.
Even though it’s your post it isn’t about you, it’s about those who, as you say, say he should not be suspended. They are the type who very often start a conversation with the sentence I mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Lots of words, so little to say. See my post at 15.18 yesterday, nothing in the above message changes any of that. On the subject of Ollie Robinson at least, you're an apologist for racism - unless you're claiming that what he tweeted wasn't racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by willo1927
Never said that at allQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Making racist tweets 9 years ago doesn't make him a racist in my opinion.
It made him immature and nieve.
You seem to be on your high horse again in branding people who disagree with you.
There's a word for that but I don't brand people I don't know so I won't say it.
You on the otherhand call people sexist/racist/homophobic when you have never even met them
Maybe you should have a look at yourself before you accuse people of these things.
Talking of lots of words without saying anything reminds me of your match reports so pot kettle and all that.
So you seem to agree that people weren't arguing that what Robinson wrote should be defended, indeed there seems general agreement that it was offensive and wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
What they were doing was saying that it was not necessarily the right thing to suspend him for saying these things when he was an immature teenager, who may have different views now (of course his views may not have changed, and if that was proved he should never play for England again).
I don't therefore think that anyone saying that they don't think suspending him in this case is a racist apologist unless at the same time they also defend what he said.
Well put :thumbup: you hit the nail on the headQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues