What, better than Bale? - No way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Giggs had pace, but Bale was another level. Bale could influence a game far greater than Giggs.
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What, better than Bale? - No way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Giggs had pace, but Bale was another level. Bale could influence a game far greater than Giggs.
Playing devils advocate, would you say the same about Craig Bellamy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
I agree, time was Giggs supporters could point to his medal collection as proof of being the better of the two, but I heard Nathan Blake reading out what Bale had won at Real Madrid and it no longer applies - he's won four Champions League winners medals and with at least of them, he had a major influence in deciding the outcome of the Final. Given Bale's attitude to his home country as well, he has to be, possibly, the best Wales player ever and definitely above Giggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Danny Wilson was always a sombre, unsmiling character, whenever I saw him working the doors (okay, perhaps understandable in that profession) and he looked exactly the same whenever 'relaxing' over a pint down the docks too. He always seemed 'on edge', almost waiting for something to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Wilson used to beat Gigg's mother, which is why he later disowned his father.
They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Craig Bellamy 78 capsQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Dean Saunders 75 caps
Ian Rush 73 caps
Mark Hughes 72 caps
Does the same apply to these also?
An overhead kick goal no less….incredible really.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Giggs v Bale. Both world class players.
I think at his absolute best Bale with his power and pace was the more complete player hes even brilliant in the air.
If it comes to early career the younger Giggs was a far better player than the younger version of Bale.
The older version of Giggs is also better than the older Bale.
There is no way at 30 there would be talk of Giggs going to China.
Bale at his absolute best was almost unplayable. I think at his best he edges it.
Giggs though throughout his career and longevity was a better player at different ages.
Off the pitch its not a discussion.
Excluding Internationals, when he retired at 31 Giggs had played 672 'league matches'.
At 31 Bales has played 377.
Those stats represent 15yr periods for both players, so Giggs has played on average nearly 20 more games a season than Bale.
Giggs retired at 40. Your 20 games a season more is way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Has Bellamy abused women? Nothing has been said or written regarding that, he supposedly bullied youngsters, but that was brought against him apparently by parent who didn’t like his son being dropped from the team. Nothing actually proved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Giggs was born in 1973, and turned 31 in November of 04/05. By the end 03/4, from adding up on wikipedia, he had played 415 league games. Add on maybe 15 for those few months and that's only a difference of about three games a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
What about taking a golf club to a fellow professionals kneecaps? I suppose that’s ok because the victim was a man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
As good as Bellamy and Giggs were, they are both nasty little ****ers!Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Giggs has done so well for Wales but he’s ruined it being a **** of a human being
He should be loved like the other Wales managers before him but he’s totally spoilt it for himself, and if I’m honest for me as a fan.
I held my nose for a time after the Rhodri affair, some people deserve second chances but it’s obviously his true colours.
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Originally Posted by Hilts
You are right, Fergie would never have allowed it :hehe: unless of course it was in some money-bags invitational game
Giggs never really suffered any major injuries though did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Ramsey has just 65 caps in 13 years. That could also be argued as pathetic when comparing to Gunter. Both spent a similar period playing for their country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its been emotional
Ramsey’s availability for Wales, and in particular friendlies, has been shocking but in typical hypocritical fashion Cardiff fans turn a blind eye to this.
Glad your not on the jury….he is guilty already then? No smoke without fire but let’s just wait and see eh? I’ve known a few crazy bitches in my time who liked to get lairy and violent when pissed upQuote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Giggs had loads of problems with his hamstrings.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
that was my pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Where does the great John Charles sit in all this debateQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Genuinely not sure what you're getting at here? Has Joshua hit women or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Bellamy was once alleged to have grabbed a woman by the throat in a city centre night club. Memory serves me well he was found ‘not guilty’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Same thing could happen to Giggs.
Like I said, playing devils advocate.
Thought that would just pop up before Wales games…..:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
If it wasn't clear from my original comment , what I said is dependent on him being found guilty of abusing his wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Regarding the affair with his brother's wife, that type of thing doesn't really concern me because adultery , no matter what the circumstances, is not a criminal offence. It is a private issue and I don't think this type of info should really be in the public domain. If everyone were judged on the same criteria in the tabloid media, very few of us would escape unblemished.
I take your point regarding innocence until proven guilty, if that was the original point you were making...... I'm not sure it was though.
His hamstring was nicknamed Fergie.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
My playing at being 'devils advocate' wasn't particularly directed at you personally but just put out there for consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
The point of 'innocence until proven guilty' is one of the points, amongst others. I think it's quite interesting that some individuals get mullered on here whilst (perhaps) others are seen in a different light.
Also many on here jumping to conclusions about his guilt.
Ched Evans anyone?
As Bale's closest rival for the title of best ever Welsh player I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Na, that's Trevor Hockey :hehe::hehe: (who remembers him)
For a while held the title for wildest looks in British football.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Just spared another thought for Ryan Giggs , sorry didn't last long
A man you'd not mess with was our TrevorQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Wales unbeaten since Giggs left
Just like his wife :hide:
Ladies and Gentlemen please book your united coach and match tickets , departing 0830 am , Cyfartha Castle toilets from Mr Hartley , heads of the valleys , United Welsh 😀 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley