Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Eh?

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I was talking about the video which Surge posted a link to;-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICt-tGoTtg

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?

The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?

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LOL

When Page qualifys for his own finals and then gets out of the group he will get more credit from me. Its not that difficult to get out of a stage where up to 75% of the group qualify. Not when you have two genuinely world class players in your starting 11. Giggs qualified out of the qualifying group without Ramsey too. Far better achievement.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Bale probably told him at HT. Bale is running that show.

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Think your right if you look at the last team huddle it spoke volumes

I should imagine Page is lot like Paul Trollope very decent number 2 or development coach .

Its horses for courses , can imagine managing and motivating people in the modern era is a very difficult skill .

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?

The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?

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Daft comparison. 30-40 years difference. Different game. Squad strength is debatable, opposition strength is open to debate.

Im sure Sir Alex Ferguson wont lose any sleep over it.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Daft comparison. 30-40 years difference. Different game. Squad strength is debatable, opposition strength is open to debate.

Im sure Sir Alex Ferguson wont lose any sleep over it.

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All this because you won’t have a good word said about Rob Page :hehe:.

That’s all this boils down to.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

All this because you won’t have a good word said about Rob Page :hehe:.

That’s all this boils down to.

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All what? Youre the one who bumped the thread and named me personally. :hehe:

Page has done OK, but Giggs would have done better.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

All what? Youre the one who bumped the thread and named me personally. :hehe:

Page has done OK, but Giggs would have done better.

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Page has done OK is as good as it’s going to get isn’t it - best leave it there I reckon :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

LOL

When Page qualifys for his own finals and then gets out of the group he will get more credit from me. Its not that difficult to get out of a stage where up to 75% of the group qualify. Not when you have two genuinely world class players in your starting 11. Giggs qualified out of the qualifying group without Ramsey too. Far better achievement.

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That's as may be, but didn't Wales qualify in the top 50%?

You have to judge him mainly on his record as a league manager and he was completely indifferent as a manager at Port Vale and Northampton where he lost more games than he won at both clubs.For Wales he has been a bit better but one win one lucky draw and one defeat isn't exactly great paticularly when the win was against crap Turkey.

Beat Denmark and there is a case for him staying on as Wales manager but I would not even consider him for Cardiff. Might be one of these types who is a better number two like Trollope.

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Originally Posted by Shrewsbury Blue

You have to judge him mainly on his record as a league manager and he was completely indifferent as a manager at Port Vale and Northampton where he lost more games than he won at both clubs.For Wales he has been a bit better but one win one lucky draw and one defeat isn't exactly great paticularly when the win was against crap Turkey.

Beat Denmark and there is a case for him staying on as Wales manager but I would not even consider him for Cardiff. Might be one of these types who is a better number two like Trollope.

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What I will say in his defence the jobs at Northampton and Port Vale are going to be difficult for most managers.

A manager is only as good as the players at his disposal and that’s probably why he’s done better with the national side than he has at club level. He’s certainly benefited, like Coleman, in having 2 genuine world class players fit and ready.

Also, he’s a caretaker manager in unique circumstances so certainly the first few games the tactics were Ryan Giggs picking the team and tactics, he said as much himself afterwards. That’s not to say Giggs should take all the credit, it was an annoyance of mine that Gary Speed was / is still taking most of the credit for Chris Coleman’s achievements.

If we get to the QF I think Page can take credit, but if we get knocked out Saturday it will be a lucky draw and a win against the worst team in the tournament in 4 games. Nothing to get too excited about, or give too much credit for. Seeing as we are ranked in the top 16 teams in Europe then getting to the last 16 should be par for the course.

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

That's as may be, but didn't Wales qualify in the top 50%?

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Bore off Jirga

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Originally Posted by Hilts

It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.

We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.

Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.

Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.

City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.

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Bit or irony when MM leaves Wilson on the bench there is accusations of not playing flair , when Page leaves Brookes and Wilson out first eleven not so 🤔.

And retrospectively Vaulks should have gone instead of Jonny Williams??

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Bit or irony when MM leaves Wilson on the bench there is accusations of not playing flair , when Page leaves Brookes and Wilson out first eleven not so 🤔.

And retrospectively Vaulks should have gone instead of Jonny Williams??

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Erm, bit of a difference in levels and quality of team mates?!?!?. There’s players being selected for Wales ahead of Wilson who are far superior.

That comparison ranks as more ridiculous on this thread than TOBWs Page to Fergie / Stein :hehe:

As for Vaulks he’s not an international player in a million years.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Bore off Jirga

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Ouch! 🤣

No.

I’d have the Danish coach over him.

Seems clueless to make any changes to the formation to counter Denmark's threat.

So it's a No from me.

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Originally Posted by alan_corneli

Seems clueless to make any changes to the formation to counter Denmark's threat.

So it's a No from me.

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Not sure what tactical change to the formation would have made any difference today Denmark were just so much better than us. Needed Bale and Ramsey to have good games for us today and they were ordinary verging on poor.

More chance of him making a good Cardiff one than a Wales one

Having seen our perfromance today, I'm beginning to regret starting this thread! :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

Whilst it's fair to say that this is Giggs's Wales team, he has done a great job.

Would you be happy for him to step into the City hotseat, if we changed manager this season?

(I'm not trying to get McCarthy out, just trying to get some Cardiff chat going). :ayatollah:

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No.

Page hasn't got a clue. Giggsys team and Page only had Plan A, no no no no.

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Originally Posted by mbatte

No.

Page hasn't got a clue. Giggsys team and Page only had Plan A, no no no no.

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I'm with you there. He was out thought by the Danish manager today. he knew had how to shackle Bale, Ramsey and James. Page didn't have a clue, nor a clue and has been found out. No doubt he'll stay on in the job though.....

Beats the worst team in the tournament and apparently he’s a good manager.

Page had a free shot at it, comes across as one of the boys, Manager?

NO!

No!!!

Poor bugger hasn’t got a clue. Wouldn’t want to kick him when he’s down but since it arises his total lack of strategy is the main reason why this talented team didn’t do more.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

No!!!

Poor bugger hasn’t got a clue. Wouldn’t want to kick him when he’s down but since it arises his total lack of strategy is the main reason why this talented team didn’t do more.

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Prey tell, what should he have done?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Prey tell, what should he have done?

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I think he should have got Brooks or Wilson into the starting line up. Played Ramsey as one of the cms and left one of Allen or Morrell out.

I think Cabango should have been in the line up as well and Nico should be starting.

I dont think we would have gone any further though. For that we need Ramsey and Bale on top of their games and it wasnt to be.

I really hope that Morrell/Allen partnership is finished.

The exit isnt Pages fault though we just werent good enough.

Well, played to his strengths, foreseen and tried to nullify the strengths of opponents, reacted when tactics were failing.
Everything really. Nothing clever about anything he did truthfully.
The most obvious thing is that once they were two nil down in a knockout competition he should have chucked the sink at them.

People including Cardiff City pay a lot for managers and coaches who’ll make the most of what they’ve got to work with and that’s an essential factor. For example remember how MM quickly changed from 4 at the back to a flat 3 at half time when we were getting hammered ?

The coach can’t usually win games with poor players but any competent coach should have been able to do more with the players he had at his disposal, not to mention the ones he chose not to take.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Prey tell, what should he have done?

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Give it up Bob. He’s had a stinker of a tournament when you break it all down.

We we’re lucky not to have had a hiding like yesterday when we played Italy and the draw against the Swiss was fortunate. One victory against arguably the worst team in the tournament and you are trying to liken his achievements to that of Coleman in Euro 2016.

As soon as the side was named yesterday with Allen and Morrell in midfield again I knew we were out.

Hopefully it’s the last we see of him in the hot seat.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well, played to his strengths, foreseen and tried to nullify the strengths of opponents, reacted when tactics were failing.
Everything really. Nothing clever about anything he did truthfully.
The most obvious thing is that once they were two nil down in a knockout competition he should have chucked the sink at them.

People including Cardiff City pay a lot for managers and coaches who’ll make the most of what they’ve got to work with and that’s an essential factor. For example remember how MM quickly changed from 4 at the back to a flat 3 at half time when we were getting hammered ?

The coach can’t usually win games with poor players but any competent coach should have been able to do more with the players he had at his disposal, not to mention the ones he chose not to take.

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I was expecting some sort of tactical discussion here, not just "he should have done everything better".

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Give it up Bob. He’s had a stinker of a tournament when you break it all down.

We we’re lucky not to have had a hiding like yesterday when we played Italy and the draw against the Swiss was fortunate. One victory against arguably the worst team in the tournament and you are trying to liken his achievements to that of Coleman in Euro 2016.

As soon as the side was named yesterday with Allen and Morrell in midfield again I knew we were out.

Hopefully it’s the last we see of him in the hot seat.

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I've said in my first post that "I’m far from convinced that Rob Page would be a good City manager" which was the question the OP asked. I just think that, all things considered, he did a pretty good job for Wales in difficult circumstances. At least you were giving your opinion on Page before yesterday's match, but it seems to me that there's far more who don't rate after last night.

I've not read through this thread, but international management is massively different to Club management. I don't think that i'd want page as city manager, and i wouldn't have wanted Coleman either.

My thought was the squad was too inexperienced and leaving out Chester, Vaulks and Robson kanu was a huge error.

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Originally Posted by Rhiwbina Blues

My thought was the squad was too inexperienced and leaving out Chester, Vaulks and Robson kanu was a huge error.

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I think the idea is that giving younger players as much experience as possible they're better prepared when it's their turn to be first names on the team sheet and, possibly because not enough get game time at club level, it helps their footballing skills develop as well.

It's similar to the Toshack model which has served us well without being able to give them 50 caps by age of 25 because we're now in competitive games.

I'm not here to pick out individuals who are currently with us, and have done well in vast majority of games, but suggestion on twitter being that we were missing a Joe Ledley (who I would characterise as being a good engine, bigger body in CM, good passer of the ball, does his job efficiently without mistake, experienced at highest level) which I think is a fair one.

With Wales Page has Arsenal assistant by his side but that's not going to happen if he became first team manager at club football. Not only do we have a lack of evidence, outdated evidence, as Page as a club boss but we can't even say he'd be as good as he currently is because he'd be missing a big part of backroom staff. There really is a lack of evidence to judge on.