They can **** off with this!

Of all the issues in Wales and around the world, this one scarcely registers on the scales. My only thought is how much is this costing taxpayers.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

The building was built with the knowledge that people would be spending more time away from the office. The capacity is much less than the old site in Ty Glas.

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Also when the building was planned and built it wasnt know about changes to working practices and moving to a hybrid working model as a result of the epidemic.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57667929

Which ****ers at the Council have approved this!? And how do I lodge my disgust?

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Grow up drama queen..

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Originally Posted by life on mars

4000 jobs ,any flag will do, perhaps if we protest enough they will close the building and move it up North .

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Those jobs already existed in llanishen and brunel house. Llanishen tax office flew both the welsh and union flags.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57667929

Which ****ers at the Council have approved this!? And how do I lodge my disgust?

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Here by the look of it:

https://www.change.org/p/cardiff-cou..._share_message

I've always been surprised by the fact that nobody has complained about the Union flag not representing Wales.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Zulu syndrome. The Welsh pretending that they weren't involved in expanding the British Empire and sharing in the wealth generated from it.

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I suppose African slaves contributed to the wealth that has been amassed in the USA as well.

I don't know whether it's a mixture of me growing older, and a lightning strike illness that made me reassess life, but things like this don't even raise an eyebrow anymore. We're in Britain, it's a British Government building......there's many more important things to turn your energy towards.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Have you travelled the world much? Wales may not be the most prosperous part of the UK but most countries in the world are far poorer. It is disingenuous to imagine that Each component part of the UK didn't benefit from the wealth generated from the British Empire.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_mentality

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_mentality

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I'm not sure how that article relates to the comment of mine that you quoted.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I don't know whether it's a mixture of me growing older, and a lightning strike illness that made me reassess life, but things like this don't even raise an eyebrow anymore. We're in Britain, it's a British Government building......there's many more important things to turn your energy towards.

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This exactly.
Nearby is the new BBC building. I guess the first B of that acronym sits fine with everyone.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

This exactly.
Nearby is the new BBC building. I guess the first B of that acronym sits fine with everyone.

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British is fine, we've got the most legitimate claim to be referred to as 'British' of all the home nations.. That piece of shit symbol though, symbol of oppression to many - that big, at the entrance to the city for most people, a big giant ****ing Jack.. **** off. The only good thing about that crap is that Wales isn't represented on it.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I'm not sure how that article relates to the comment of mine that you quoted.

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The whole "you were voluntary participants" and "you benefitted from association" strikes me as a colonial mentality.

Despite the fact there are many holes in your argument, none of what you say changes the fact that many bad things have been done in the name of that flag, whether the agents were Welsh or not.

The Union Jack represents military dominance (and everything that involves) and monarchy. That type of attitude is soooo last century.

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I don't know whether it's a mixture of me growing older, and a lightning strike illness that made me reassess life, but things like this don't even raise an eyebrow anymore. We're in Britain, it's a British Government building......there's many more important things to turn your energy towards.

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Absolutely agree. As I wrote earlier in this thread, on a scale of 0 - 10 in importance, it would barely rate 1 for me.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

What they don't realise is they are fuelling the independence movement.

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Who is “they?”

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

The whole "you were voluntary participants" and "you benefitted from association" strikes me as a colonial mentality.

Despite the fact there are many holes in your argument, none of what you say changes the fact that many bad things have been done in the name of that flag, whether the agents were Welsh or not.

The Union Jack represents military dominance (and everything that involves) and monarchy. That type of attitude is soooo last century.

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My comment was about economic benefits reaped and nothing at all about perceptions about cultural superiority of any description. In fact, I like to debunk such concepts and do so regularly on here. Many bad things did indeed take place in the name of the British Empire and I have not suggested otherwise and nor am I an apologist for such nationalistic propaganda. I am strongly anti-royalist and detest jingoism and the whitewashing of history so I think you may be on the wrong horse, if I may say. I simply think that Welsh people divorcing themselves from their participation in the British Empire is selective nationalistic cherry-picking in itself. I can accept that you may have a different take on things and I will respect your view, of course.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

It's the same flag they brandished when conquering and plundering half of the globe. Maybe that's the beef (butcher's apron pun intended) some people have with it.

That's like saying " what's the fuss with people walking around with a swastika flag? it's only a piece of material after all"

With any luck it'll get vandalised.

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Halfway down the first page and Godwin’s Law makes its appearance

Anybody congregating under a flag or who associates themselves with any nation or country should thing about what it really means - and it usually means being indoctrinated with stereotypical attributes (often built on myth) foisted on common people by those who owned real estate and which they wanted to protect. I would imagine that the average blacksmith cared not about whether his tithes were collected by Norman or Anglo-Saxon overlords and nor did he probably associate himself with any banners they chose to fly.
I'm boring myself now so I'll shut up :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

My comment was about economic benefits reaped and nothing at all about perceptions about cultural superiority of any description. In fact, I like to debunk such concepts and do so regularly on here. Many bad things did indeed take place in the name of the British Empire and I have not suggested otherwise and nor am I an apologist for such nationalistic propaganda. I am strongly anti-royalist and detest jingoism and the whitewashing of history so I think you may be on the wrong horse, if I may say. I simply think that Welsh people divorcing themselves from their participation in the British Empire is selective nationalistic cherry-picking in itself. I can accept that you may have a different take on things and I will respect your view, of course.

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'Welsh People' don't you think that is being very general? The same could be said of the English and Scots as well. Some certainly benefited, but the majority probably didn't to a large extent, or not significantly given the sacrifice made by so many in order to establish the empire. It would have been those people who were doing the Establishments bidding, In many situations, the least privileged would have been victims of Empire, which is always the case when poorer people are used in order for the rich and powerful to become even more so. It's an interesting point you make, although in my opinion it has to be broken down in order to see who the real beneficiaries were-are.

On another view of it - Surely this is good for the independence supporters as people would subconsciously associate the Union Jack and Britain with taxes

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

'Welsh People' don't you think that is being very general? The same could be said of the English and Scots as well. Some certainly benefited, but the majority probably didn't to a large extent, or not significantly given the sacrifice made by so many in order to establish the empire. It would have been those people who were doing the Establishments bidding, In many situations, the least privileged would have been victims of Empire, which is always the case when poorer people are used in order for the rich and powerful to become even more so. It's an interesting point you make, although in my opinion it has to be broken down in order to see who the real beneficiaries were-are.

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My original comment was in reply to a specific comment and I hope that I am the last person to engage in lazy stereotypes. Of course the poor benefitted from the Empire far less than the wealthy, whether they lived in Conwy, Cornwall or Corby. However, the UK in general will have benefitted from the revenue from the Empire and some of that wealth will have been passed onto the population to some degree directly or indirectly. I just think it's disingenuous to think that Welsh people were forced to participate in the British Empire and to draw a very neat line of responsibility that absolves them regarding their participation. If that can be done, how should we view the participation of working class Devonians, Cumbrians and Yorkshiremen, all of whom can be accurately described as English?

What I am trying to say is that most of us throughout history are merely cannon fodder for other forces in life. We have more in common with our so-called enemies in the trenches than the people who send us there.

Heres a flag for the tax office at Central Square

Welcome To Hell Wurzel Bastards

I guess some would be happier with the EU flag on the tax office building

funny old world we live in

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I guess some would be happier with the EU flag on the tax office building

funny old world we live in

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I would , rather than the union jack

Every single day

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

What I am trying to say is that most of us throughout history are merely cannon fodder for other forces in life. We have more in common with our so-called enemies in the trenches than the people who send us there.

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Completely Agree.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

I guess some would be happier with the EU flag on the tax office building

funny old world we live in

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Matt, how could an EU flag be emblazoned on a Tax Office? It's known as the inland revenue.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

It's the same flag they brandished when conquering and plundering half of the globe. Maybe that's the beef (butcher's apron pun intended) some people have with it.

That's like saying " what's the fuss with people walking around with a swastika flag? it's only a piece of material after all"

With any luck it'll get vandalised.

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This.

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What I am trying to say is that most of us throughout history are merely cannon fodder for other forces in life. We have more in common with our so-called enemies in the trenches than the people who send us there.

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:thumbup:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...-flags-279353/

:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...-flags-279353/

:facepalm:

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A Welsh MP (Bridgend) could have asked any question in Westminster but this was their priority: to wear a union flag on their tie and face mask and use their time to ask this.

It's not even that unionism is under threat in Wales with 47 out of 60 seats in Senedd held by a Labour party seeking to secure the Union*, a Tory party obsessed with it to distract from other issues and 1 Lib Dem.

*Drakeford's 20 proposals: https://nation.cymru/news/whats-in-d...ave-the-union/

Jamie Wallis (Bridgend MP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Wallis

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Wallis is one of the owners of a company called Fields Holdings Limited, the parent company of Action Direct (UK) Limited, a former claims management company of which Wallis was a director in 2011[5] when the Ministry of Justice banned it from taking on any further employment claims work, following an investigation into the company's conduct.[6]

In July 2010, a Freedom of Information request (2417) was made to Bridgend County Borough Council asking how many complaints or referrals to Trading Standards had been made about a Field House associated company Rapid Data Recovery Ltd, which returned the response that between 1 January 2009 and mid-2010, 37 complaints had been received, a figure which included associated companies. In January 2020, after being elected to Parliament, Wallis threatened to take legal action against BCBC over the matter under the Freedom of Information Act.[7]

An investigation by Buzzfeed in January 2020 found that Wallis had been a co-owner of a 'sugar daddy' dating website, "which offered students financial relationships with wealthy 'sponsors'". Although Wallis initially denied links to the company, Buzzfeed found that he had been a director and shareholder of the site's parent company.[

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Matt, how could an EU flag be emblazoned on a Tax Office? It's known as the inland revenue.

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That just shows that you live in the past tuerto :sherlock:
The inland revenue ceased to be several years ago. It is now Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.
you can work out when because it is the same point at which your communication with the Tax Office started to go tits-up.
As an example despite phone calls in double figures I am still trying to resolve as problem that I first asked them to address in April last year, and have yet to receive one written communication about. Their excuse (And it is fast becoming an excuse for everything being late bad or not at all) has consistently been, "We are too busy with covid and we furloughed all our staff"
They amalgamated the IR and the Customs Service but neither one would talk to the other or share information and it all went to rat shit. I think it's called progress.
Oddly enough previously the people who collected our income tax worked for the Inland Revenue and the customs who collected VAT and tried to stop smuggling were historically known as 'Revenue men'
So I get no satisfaction form then and neither will you if you ask to speak to the 'inland revenue' :hehe:

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That just shows that you live in the past tuerto :sherlock:
The inland revenue ceased to be several years ago. It is now Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.
you can work out when because it is the same point at which your communication with the Tax Office started to go tits-up.
As an example despite phone calls in double figures I am still trying to resolve as problem that I first asked them to address in April last year, and have yet to receive one written communication about. Their excuse (And it is fast becoming an excuse for everything being late bad or not at all) has consistently been, "We are too busy with covid and we furloughed all our staff"
They amalgamated the IR and the Customs Service but neither one would talk to the other or share information and it all went to rat shit. I think it's called progress.
Oddly enough previously the people who collected our income tax worked for the Inland Revenue and the customs who collected VAT and tried to stop smuggling were historically known as 'Revenue men'
So I get no satisfaction form then and neither will you if you ask to speak to the 'inland revenue' :hehe:

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The emergency shifts in tax collection guidance as a result of covid will have generated a large amount of work for sure.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

That just shows that you live in the past tuerto :sherlock:
The inland revenue ceased to be several years ago. It is now Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.
you can work out when because it is the same point at which your communication with the Tax Office started to go tits-up.
As an example despite phone calls in double figures I am still trying to resolve as problem that I first asked them to address in April last year, and have yet to receive one written communication about. Their excuse (And it is fast becoming an excuse for everything being late bad or not at all) has consistently been, "We are too busy with covid and we furloughed all our staff"
They amalgamated the IR and the Customs Service but neither one would talk to the other or share information and it all went to rat shit. I think it's called progress.
Oddly enough previously the people who collected our income tax worked for the Inland Revenue and the customs who collected VAT and tried to stop smuggling were historically known as 'Revenue men'
So I get no satisfaction form then and neither will you if you ask to speak to the 'inland revenue' :hehe:

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I'll take your word for it, Although what would the flag of the EU have to do with HMRC? that's the point i was making to Matt.

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Originally Posted by surge

Jamie Wallis (Bridgend MP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Wallis

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Very dodgy chap . If labour bring up his past and put it on the table he won't be tory mp for Bridgend at the election .

Lot of whispers about this fella

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Very dodgy chap . If labour bring up his past and put it on the table he won't be tory mp for Bridgend at the election .

Lot of whispers about this fella

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If Labour bring up anything that sounds dodgy or lurid then i expect this bloke to have a very successful career. His boss has been getting away with it for years.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Matt, how could an EU flag be emblazoned on a Tax Office? It's known as the inland revenue.

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makes me laugh the people getting triggered over the union flag are some of the same who wanted to stay in the EU

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Originally Posted by blue matt

makes me laugh the people getting triggered over the union flag are some of the same who wanted to stay in the EU

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I sort of understand, I hate the EU, but probably for different reasons to you.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

My comment was about economic benefits reaped and nothing at all about perceptions about cultural superiority of any description. In fact, I like to debunk such concepts and do so regularly on here. Many bad things did indeed take place in the name of the British Empire and I have not suggested otherwise and nor am I an apologist for such nationalistic propaganda. I am strongly anti-royalist and detest jingoism and the whitewashing of history so I think you may be on the wrong horse, if I may say. I simply think that Welsh people divorcing themselves from their participation in the British Empire is selective nationalistic cherry-picking in itself. I can accept that you may have a different take on things and I will respect your view, of course.

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The flag is a questionable symbol. That is all I said.

I think it is worth remembering that we are a colonised nation in the same way that combined kingdoms of Nigeria were.

North Yorkshire is not a nation that has been colonised. They are the colonisers essentially.

Saying the welsh are complicit is a big shout imo , even if we took part in some small way. I for one am willing to forgive my forefathers....

I still don’t want the flag though.

...and I don't swallow the common wealth crap. Just imagine being able to siphon money and natural resources from a country, leave it with massive unemployment and on top of it , have them think you did them a favour.

That is what the link was in reference to. The colonial mentality.