Has she got a point - should we be supporting England?

Denmark has porn, beer and bacon

its no ****ing contest who gets my support

I think it's fairly normal to not want your close neighbour to be successful. I like England, it's no doubt a bigger, better more successful country than Wales.

I suppose it's like going to school with another lad who is stronger and better looking girl, that gets a lot of attention. Ultimately you don't want him to be hurt but would like to see him put down a peg or two.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Putting harmless rivalry aside, it occurred to me over the weekend that our attitude to England's current success is influenced greatly who and what we associate with being English. Some people on here have brought up the evils of the British Empire, others have described individuals in the media and the behaviour of some England fans have been mentioned.
For my part, I base my views on having lived in 5 different counties in England (including London), the 900 colleagues I currently work with (the vast majority being English), my friends, acquaintances and the neighbours I have had over the last 40 years. They are as far removed from Empire-builders, exploitative industrialists and plastic chair-throwing thuggery as I am.
No-one is obliged to support our rivals but the average Joe in Taunton is not that different to his counterpart in Tonteg.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Denmark has porn, beer and bacon

its no ****ing contest who gets my support

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They used to be Vikings, what a come down.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They used to be Vikings, what a come down.

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Yep, and Great Britain used to rule the world....

I will be cheering the lads on along with all the English fans I know who cheered us on 2016 .

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Denmark has porn, beer and bacon

its no ****ing contest who gets my support

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And fairies.

Certainly the manager and some of their players seem like decent blokes but that's where my admiration of the England football team stops.

As has been said on numerous occasions by many people, it's the media's blanket coverage and obsession with England that sticks in the craw. It's not hard therefore to understand why the vast majority of non-English people in the UK will I suspect not be supporting them under circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Certainly the manager and some of their players seem like decent blokes but that's where my admiration of the England football team stops.

As has been said on numerous occasions by many people, it's the media's blanket coverage and obsession with England that sticks in the craw. It's not hard therefore to understand why the vast majority of non-English people in the UK will I suspect not be supporting them under circumstances.

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Under ANY circumstances.

Support the England football team? They seem a likeable bunch, but that doesn't quite move us past the sports rivalry.

Be happy for the friends who support them? Of course, and the decent football fans I've not yet met.

Cheer on a product of the English FA who are pushing for an Olympic Team despite it putting independence of Welsh football at risk? Nope, no thank you.

it's a football match and my team isn't playing so I don't really care who wins

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Originally Posted by Punxsutawney Phil

Whilst some of the players actions of late are to be admired, suggesting we should support a team other than our own is a little odd and as we were competing in the competition ourselves it's disrespectful. Does anyone shift their support to another team in the FA Cup when we have our usual half arsed 3rd round effort? If we drop out of contention for the playoffs do we start cheering for one of the teams in the running because some of their players are great ambassadors for the Championship? I very much doubt it.

I'm happy that some the players are taking some social responsibility and the changes the are seeking to make may just make your average England fan more bearable than some of the idiots that have been most prevalent in the past, however cheering when a national team other than Wales score/win? Odd....

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I've just changed my mind, come on Denmark....
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My team isnt playing so I'm a neutral(ish). England have some decent players I cannot bring myself to support them and dont see why I should.
I wouldn't call myself anti-English but will certainly take more pleasure in a Danish victory tonight, or an Italian victory at the weekend, rather than an English win in either.

My attitude to this was shaped in 1970 when I was 13 years old. I loved the English team and was miserable when they were eliminated by West Germany. In people like Nobby Stiles and Alan Ball and the Charlton brothers I recognized “my people.” That they technically were English, and had funny accents, meant nothing. I loved everything about them, even that year’s World Cup song, “Back Home.” I still feel this way. If the English are not exactly “my people,” well they’re pretty darn close — in fact, could literally not be closer. I loved Alf Garnett, The Likely Lads, Eric and Ernie, Steptoe and Son, Reg Varney, Benny Hill and Esther Rantzen, all of whom were English. I have no desire to go the Serbia-Bosnia or Turkey-Greece route. Peace brothers. I’ll be watching and waiting and cheering every move.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Denmark has porn, beer and bacon

its no ****ing contest who gets my support

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Not sure these things are lacking anywhere outside the Islamic world.

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

My attitude to this was shaped in 1970 when I was 13 years old. I loved the English team and was miserable when they were eliminated by West Germany. In people like Nobby Stiles and Alan Ball and the Charlton brothers I recognized “my people.” That they technically were English, and had funny accents, meant nothing. I loved everything about them, even that year’s World Cup song, “Back Home.” I still feel this way. If the English are not exactly “my people,” well they’re pretty darn close — in fact, could literally not be closer. I loved Alf Garnett, The Likely Lads, Eric and Ernie, Steptoe and Son, Reg Varney, Benny Hill and Esther Rantzen, all of whom were English. I have no desire to go the Serbia-Bosnia or Turkey-Greece route. Peace brothers. I’ll be watching and waiting and cheering every move.

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I’m quite fond of Hans Christian Anderson myself.

I wouldn't support them in the same way i wouldn't support Swansea or Bristol.

but my complaint is why are they so concerned? does any other national team beg its neighbors to support them like this? do any others get the "well we'd support you" treatment? seems so bizarre and makes me want to support them even less.

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

My attitude to this was shaped in 1970 when I was 13 years old. I loved the English team and was miserable when they were eliminated by West Germany. In people like Nobby Stiles and Alan Ball and the Charlton brothers I recognized “my people.” That they technically were English, and had funny accents, meant nothing. I loved everything about them, even that year’s World Cup song, “Back Home.” I still feel this way. If the English are not exactly “my people,” well they’re pretty darn close — in fact, could literally not be closer. I loved Alf Garnett, The Likely Lads, Eric and Ernie, Steptoe and Son, Reg Varney, Benny Hill and Esther Rantzen, all of whom were English. I have no desire to go the Serbia-Bosnia or Turkey-Greece route. Peace brothers. I’ll be watching and waiting and cheering every move.

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I can't be sure, but I would be pretty surprised if your namesake ever felt the same way!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I can't be sure, but I would be pretty surprised if your namesake ever felt the same way!

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Jesus, could you imagine Scoular’s take on an English love in !!!!

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’m quite fond of Hans Christian Anderson myself.

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Did he get on in extra time ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I can't be sure, but I would be pretty surprised if your namesake ever felt the same way!

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Would be terribly ungrateful for a man who spent his entire professional career in England playing for Portsmouth, Newcastle and dear old Bradford Park Avenue to express the sort of hatred towards his paying fans that I see on this board.

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

Did he get on in extra time ?

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He did but he was pretty Grimm.

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

Would be terribly ungrateful for a man who spent his entire professional career in England playing for Portsmouth, Newcastle and dear old Bradford Park Avenue to express the sort of hatred towards his paying fans that I see on this board.

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Not met many exiled Jocks then:hehe:

Can't support them.
The endless media hype and biased commentary
Their awful fans who boo every national anthem and shine lasers into opposition eyes.
I can understand them booing our anthem or the Scots as that's local rivalry but the Danish one???
Just shoes what a horrible lot they really are

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Originally Posted by willo1927

Can't support them.
The endless media hype and biased commentary
Their awful fans who boo every national anthem and shine lasers into opposition eyes.
I can understand them booing our anthem or the Scots as that's local rivalry but the Danish one???
Just shoes what a horrible lot they really are

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Come off it, I've heard opponents anthems booed at Wales games. This pearl clutching is ridiculous, the Danes did it when they played Finland, Italy did it when they played Spain. Hell, I've been at Cardiff games where fans jeer a player who's gone down injured, get off your high horse and stop generalising

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Come off it, I've heard opponents anthems booed at Wales games. This pearl clutching is ridiculous, the Danes did it when they played Finland, Italy did it when they played Spain. Hell, I've been at Cardiff games where fans jeer a player who's gone down injured, get off your high horse and stop generalising

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The ones you have mentioned are local rivals like I said.
I can't remember the last time I heard Wales fans booing an anthem apart from England.
You look back and tell me when they did?

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Come off it, I've heard opponents anthems booed at Wales games. This pearl clutching is ridiculous, the Danes did it when they played Finland, Italy did it when they played Spain. Hell, I've been at Cardiff games where fans jeer a player who's gone down injured, get off your high horse and stop generalising

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Thought you was talking sh#t
Just looked back at the Denmark v Finland game and there was no booing the finish anthem and neither did the Italians against Spain.
They are there for you to check.
Then watch the English fans against the Danes and then tell me they didn't boo.