Is it time to give OGS credit?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I will give him credit for being one of the worst managers that we have ever had. That takes some doing.

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Didn't set us back as far as that "one more promotion for me **** the club" tunnel visioned prick Warnock.
He attempted to take us forward but the dinosaurs and knuckledraggers that follow us got on his back.

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

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‘Eikram was a huge talent’. :hehe: :hehe::hehe:

It doesn't make very good reading though does it when, since OGS was fired it has been, Slade (WTF?), Trollope (WTF?), Warnock (!), Harris (WTF?), McCarthy (!) and yes, yes, Sir Neil got us promoted but we mustn't ever, ever, mention the R word. Warnock's still plying his trade in the second tier where he belongs, so is MM. In the meantime, OGS is managing MU.

In all seriousness, if you could pick any one of those managers today - which one would you choose? You'd think it would be a no-brainer, but I bet our three wise men would pick Warnock again.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Didn't set us back as far as that "one more promotion for me **** the club" tunnel visioned prick Warnock.
He attempted to take us forward but the dinosaurs and knuckledraggers that follow us got on his back.

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I agree with you, but I also think I’m giving myself the benefit of hindsight by doing so.

There are a number of players in that Man Utd squad that have come through or are much improved under his stewardship. He may have got us relegated too, but if the DNA of our football had also changed then I think I’d have been ok with that too. I was also taken in by the Warnock rhetoric in the early days but during and since that season in the Premier League I’ve become more than a little disillusioned.

If you asked me now if I’d have taken a relegation then to League 1 followed by 2 promotions over the next 7 years with a side that played like Norwich or Brentford, I know I’d take it.

I don’t think we have a plan… we live year to year and we’re going to become the Everton of the Championship… flattering to deceive occasionally but realistically too good to go down, but never really good enough to go up.

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Let me guess. You where one of those who thought Russel Slade”steadied a ship 🤣

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How did come to that conclusion ?

Ollie was clueless, he was so clueless it was funny watching him as we disappeared out of the division.

Destroying the red was a victory for supporters everywhere. :thumbup:

Maybe there should be a rule that managers have to start at a certain level and work their way up to Prem league.

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

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I'm not really sure how using a player horribly unsuited to playing as an inside forward proves Ole's tactical genius. Though how can us mere mortals even begin to understand the tactical genius of a man who saw us lose 4-0 to Hull & Sunderland, 3-0 to Palace, Newcastle & Swansea, left us 17th in the Championship having signed crap we had to pay off at great expense and a ludicrously unbalanced squad

Huge talent is quite the stretch for a player who has gone on to play for Malmo, Seattle & Molde. Ole made some good signings, but the trio of Norwegians certainly weren't among them.

I think its clear Ole has improved since leaving Cardiff, but is he a top class manager? No. He's doing well at United, though its a lot easier when you get to spend over £250m on signings to add to a squad that already included the likes of De Gea, Pogba & Rashford.

I'm intrigued though exactly what you think would have happened had we kept Ole as manager?

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

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Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

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Originally Posted by City123

Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

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I take it all back then.. maybe Gabbs & Young didn't get long enough :hehe:

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

I agree with you, but I also think I’m giving myself the benefit of hindsight by doing so.

There are a number of players in that Man Utd squad that have come through or are much improved under his stewardship. He may have got us relegated too, but if the DNA of our football had also changed then I think I’d have been ok with that too. I was also taken in by the Warnock rhetoric in the early days but during and since that season in the Premier League I’ve become more than a little disillusioned.

If you asked me now if I’d have taken a relegation then to League 1 followed by 2 promotions over the next 7 years with a side that played like Norwich or Brentford, I know I’d take it.

I don’t think we have a plan… we live year to year and we’re going to become the Everton of the Championship… flattering to deceive occasionally but realistically too good to go down, but never really good enough to go up.

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Will add another reply tomorrow but I've barely got in through the door from 6.30am long slog at work today.... I read the benefit of hindsight comment and wanted to say I think I was one of few who stuck by him on here for as long as I possibly could.

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Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17

I take it all back then.. maybe Gabbs & Young didn't get long enough :hehe:

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I totally forgot about them - didn't even make my list. I'm going to have nightmares tonight thinking about it.

yes of course it is.
he's not a world class tactician, but at man u he's improved them immensely. can you remember how turgid and dull they were under mourihnio, and LVG. both of whom also spent a lot of money as well.
the signings recently at man utd have been a lot more hit than miss.
I'm not convinced that he would have ever got It right here, or that he has what it takes to win the league there, but he's definitely due some credit

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Originally Posted by Rjk

yes of course it is.
he's not a world class tactician, but at man u he's improved them immensely. can you remember how turgid and dull they were under mourihnio, and LVG. both of whom also spent a lot of money as well.
the signings recently at man utd have been a lot more hit than miss.
I'm not convinced that he would have ever got It right here, or that he has what it takes to win the league there, but he's definitely due some credit

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Mourinho and LVG actually won something.

OGS has to win silverware this season. Hes spent an absolute fortune.

The fact that he was utterly useless here will never change though.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Mourinho and LVG actually won something.

OGS has to win silverware this season. Hes spent an absolute fortune.

The fact that he was utterly useless here will never change though.

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finishing second under OLE is more impressive than winning the Europa League IMO

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Originally Posted by Rjk

finishing second under OLE is more impressive than winning the Europa League IMO

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United finished 2nd under Mourinho and he won the Europa League.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

United finished 2nd under Mourinho and he won the Europa League.

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and then he finished 6th?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

and then he finished 6th?

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Yes and got sacked it wasnt working.

Ole after splashing all this cash he is so far without silverware. He needs to win something and push Man City very close or hes failed.

Failed in a Europa League Final against a side who probably had spent a tiny fraction of what Ole had at his disposal. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if Maguires fee alone was more than they spent.

I will give him credit in that hes not sacked yet. I thought hed be so useless hed be long gone by now.

Its not hard for an average manager with the resources he has to have Man U at the top. Neil Lennon won multiple trophies at Celtic. I dont rate his achievements that much but hes way above OGS.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Yes and got sacked it wasnt working.

Ole after splashing all this cash he is so far without silverware. He needs to win something and push Man City very close or hes failed.

Failed in a Europa League Final against a side who probably had spent a tiny fraction of what Ole had at his disposal. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if Maguires fee alone was more than they spent.

I will give him credit in that hes not sacked yet. I thought hed be so useless hed be long gone by now.

Its not hard for an average manager with the resources he has to have Man U at the top. Neil Lennon won multiple trophies at Celtic. I dont rate his achievements that much but hes way above OGS.

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Celtic have more income than the rest of the league put together apart from Rangers - they should be winning everything every year.

Man U have spent a fortune, but then so have the rest of the top 4.
Liverpool and Chelsea barely scraped into the top 4 while man u did comfortably.
They play good football and they're a lot better than since he took over. If they improve again this year then it's very difficult to argue he's not doing a good job.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Celtic have more income than the rest of the league put together apart from Rangers - they should be winning everything every year.

Man U have spent a fortune, but then so have the rest of the top 4.
Liverpool and Chelsea barely scraped into the top 4 while man u did comfortably.
They play good football and they're a lot better than since he took over. If they improve again this year then it's very difficult to argue he's not doing a good job.

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I agree if they improve they will have won the league. So it will be difficult to argue otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Celtic have more income than the rest of the league put together apart from Rangers - they should be winning everything every year.

Man U have spent a fortune, but then so have the rest of the top 4.
Liverpool and Chelsea barely scraped into the top 4 while man u did comfortably.
They play good football and they're a lot better than since he took over. If they improve again this year then it's very difficult to argue he's not doing a good job.

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No doubt, surprisingly, he has made them better .

I doubt Man U fans will accept that for long .They expect to win things.

Yep, he's surprised me and impressed me. Should we have given him more time? Maybe. He's lucky that Man U have given him time and money due to his name. Good luck to him I say

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

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Sure to be misunderstood when he gets sacked after the Man City game

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

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Thing is, it was obvious that he didn't understand what he was doing then either. Or now for that matter. Out of his depth.

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Originally Posted by Wolfmother

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..

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The Sunday Times:

“It is understood that upon hearing that Solskjaer would be moving to Old Trafford, some of the Molde squad members took their United players out of their Fantasy Football teams because they feared he would struggle.”

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Originally Posted by Delbert

The Sunday Times:

“It is understood that upon hearing that Solskjaer would be moving to Old Trafford, some of the Molde squad members took their United players out of their Fantasy Football teams because they feared he would struggle.”

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Originally Posted by Delbert

The Sunday Times:

“It is understood that upon hearing that Solskjaer would be moving to Old Trafford, some of the Molde squad members took their United players out of their Fantasy Football teams because they feared he would struggle.”

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That is brutal.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

That is brutal.

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And unfounded....

Universal credit is about as much as he can hope for now...

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

This is my main point of contention. It's quite a conundrum. He inherited talent. He easily buys talent. In my mind, he just tells them to go out and play. I don't know.

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Am on the side that says little-no sympathy.
He spent more money than any other premiership team. They also had a group of top players in the reserves and he could not seem to make a team out of them.
Maybe another manager could do it but I think a few players need to go out of the exit door so they can re-group.
Pogba to start and the guy that was loaned to West Ham did not want to go back to Old Trafford. For me, if I have players that would prefer to be somewhere else I would let them go.
They need a “steely” midfield player like Kean or Scholes

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Originally Posted by DubaiDai

They need a “steely” midfield player like Keane or Scholes

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Don’t we all, although the midfield enforcers seem thin on the ground in the modern game. Teams used to be built around them, I’d imagine Kav was our last genuine general.

Pray for Wolff