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I agree that, when it comes down to brass tacks, result takes priority over performance foe me. However, at many other clubs, you can get both - they seem to be accepted as being mutually exclusive by many City fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
Flints 2nd goal is great football. Superb cross great header.
I posted after the Barnsley game that the game was painful to watch - it was just dreadful football. The first half yesterday was much the same. Thankfully, things perked up later on, especially with the arrival or Giles.
Logic would dictate that different fans have different preferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Some love the blood and guts approach, with old fashioned center forward throwing himself at cross for winger ( usually Scottish ) hitting the byline.
Some prefer high press.
Some prefer the John Beck style.
Some prefer possession football.
There's no single way to win a football game. There are no bonus points for style - it's not gymnastics.
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Is it many other clubs though? How many Fulhams are there in this league? Because looking at the teams we’ve played so far they haven’t exactly played us off the park. I can’t remember thinking “wow lovely football” at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Honest question because I don’t watch a lot of Championship football outside of City
Name some sides that go out week in, week out to play in a manner that is as hard to watch as ours is. When was the last time we won a game where the description “winning ugly” didn’t apply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
We played well within the parameters we set for ourselves at Blackpool, but it was hardly entertaining - efficient is a better way of describing it.
Of the teams we’ve played, Barnsley, who were thought of as very direct last season, produced inter passing in the final third that we could only dream of matching and Peterborough had individuals in attacking areas and forward movement that bettered anything we could offer on those fronts.
None of which has got anything to do with what I said in the post you replied to - why do some City fans argue that it’s virtually impossible to have points and performance when there are plenty of teams around the country that achieve it every weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
Logic indicates that one person's "performance" differs from another. It's a subjective issue, not objective.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Are there examples of people arguing it's impossible to get results and perform in a way people find acceptable?
I’ll put it down to you being able to see things in football that I can’t see. Because I believe we have scored similar goals to Barnsley and Peterborough in the past and will score similar goals again. I promise you I do not dream of being as good as Peterborough.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
More often the exception rather than the rule. Or however the saying goes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
That’s why I asked the question about wins we’ve had that do not merit the winning ugly description.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
The converse of your argument that performance is subjective has to mean that there are people out there who look at us and think we’re an entertaining team, but I’ve never come across anyone who seriously believes that both in terms of people I meet and stuff I read and hear in the media.
By arguing that it doesn’t matter what the football’s like as long as we win, like some have done on here since yesterday’s game as a defence mechanism against those who were critical of the team’s performance, aren’t they admitting that they think the quality of football is crap as well, it’s just that they come st it from a different standpoint?
Logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
True true. I think I need to watch more Championship matches :hehe: I've been missing out!Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Get some decent games, if you find the right one 👀😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
With respect the fans who argue it doesn't matter what the football is like as long as City win, it would be interesting (to me, at least) to know who they regard as their all-time favourite Bluebirds and why they rated those players so highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Logic dictates that as always, there's a lot of accuracy in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The point however was that you claimed some fans are saying it's "virtually impossible to have points and performance", a point I don't think anyone has really made.
Football is a results business and always has been. If that is achieved with style, everyone is happy.
If we played with a certain panache but failed to achieve consistently good results, I suspect the majority of fans would want the team to forgo some of the style if it meant more points could be accumulated.
I doubt if the opposite is true though. Nobody would be willing to forfeit points if it meant that the team were more pleasing on the eye.
All our recent managers were sacked or resigned because of a string of poor results not because of the style we played so is it any wonder that MM is unwilling to change a winning formula.
And I suspect Mr Tan is not displeased either, regardless of us playing what's deemed as agricultural football.
Personally I loved watching some of the football we played under Dave Jones, but ultimately he couldn't get the results and consistency the fans wanted.
I’d argue they are when they say it’s all about winning, but I accept that, as they have not actually come out and said that very thing, it could be said that I’m putting words in their mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic