Joe Ralls

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

No biggie today, he played exactly how he normally plays.

Gets the ball, turns into space and passes it.
Offers himself like he really wants it to try and create something, may play a telling ball once in a while, but often does very little.

Pops up in areas with space to receive the ball within shooting range and invariably splays it sideways, though he might have a shot but it is usually rather tame.

I am not "bashing" the guy but Joe unfortunately is an up and down box to box midfielder and nothing more.

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Nothing wrong with him being one, but he used to have a bit of composure on the ball once upon a time.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No, let me try again.

'Your post was incoherent gibberish' does not refer to Joe Ralls' playing style, his strengths, attributes, skills, energy or anything else of that sort.

It refers to your mangled use of words and your garbled construction of sentences.

Maybe you chose all the right words, but you didn't necessarily to put them in the right order (to misquote the great Eric Morcambe)?

Anyway, thanks again for your latest attempt to explain your thinking. Maybe if you studied OGS as bit more (if that is possible) you would get less tangled in alphabet soup. He would also show you the approved method of speaking in football cliches. Worth a try?

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If this bloke isn't a wind up, which I strongly believe he is, then hasn't he said that he's Norwegian? If so, it's a bloody decent attempt in my opinion. Although I'm betting his name is Phil and he lives in gabalfa.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Well I don't, nobody is bashing the players and I doubt Mick says to players to treat the ball like a hot potato :thumbup:

I don't like our system either and I think Mick is terrible at game management, but individuals need to be held accountable.

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It's all about opinions

I think most of us agree though that we aren't a good footballing side and look much worse than Mick's Cardiff side of last season.

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

It's all about opinions

I think most of us agree though that we aren't a good footballing side and look much worse than Mick's Cardiff side of last season.

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That we do.

Nothing wrong with opinions either, hence us both having one on this thread :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Well I don't, nobody is bashing the players and I doubt Mick says to players to treat the ball like a hot potato :thumbup:

I don't like our system either and I think Mick is terrible at game management, but individuals need to be held accountable.

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I think you’re both on the money. All I would do is take out AfricanBluebird’s last paragraph, replace it with your last paragraph and it’s a perfect summary. I’m big on personal responsibility; that includes both manager and individual performances. Some of the basics from MM and the players was woeful.

The starting 11 was a mess. The formation was a mess. We played down the right hand side with Giles for most of the first half. Nothing to offer on the left. No switching play. Nothing through the middle and no precision to exploit our limited attacking options. Don’t know what it was like on TV but up close and personal it was pretty shocking.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I think you’re both on the money. All I would do is take out AfricanBluebird’s last paragraph, replace it with your last paragraph and it’s a perfect summary. I’m big on personal responsibility; that includes both manager and individual performances. Some of the basics from MM and the players was woeful.

The starting 11 was a mess. The formation was a mess. We played down the right hand side with Giles for most of the first half. Nothing to offer on the left. No switching play. Nothing through the middle and no precision to exploit our limited attacking options. Don’t know what it was like on TV but up close and personal it was pretty shocking.

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Baby steps, they can't pass it 20 yards let's not start them on switching the play just yet!!

He's fulfilled his potential and his engine of motivation has gone ,he's a decent midfielder who perhaps needs a refresh at another club , it's a bit like a long term relationship it wains .

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Baby steps, they can't pass it 20 yards let's not start them on switching the play just yet!!

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Fair point. My bad 🥺😎

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I think you’re both on the money. All I would do is take out AfricanBluebird’s last paragraph, replace it with your last paragraph and it’s a perfect summary. I’m big on personal responsibility; that includes both manager and individual performances. Some of the basics from MM and the players was woeful.

The starting 11 was a mess. The formation was a mess. We played down the right hand side with Giles for most of the first half. Nothing to offer on the left. No switching play. Nothing through the middle and no precision to exploit our limited attacking options. Don’t know what it was like on TV but up close and personal it was pretty shocking.

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We were garbage today, it was painful to watch at times, no passion, no creativity and certainly no accountability, Phillips was at fault for the first goal what was he thinking??, Nelson is not a Championship player and I'm not sure how Bacuna was on the pitch from the start and why it took so long to sub him?
We had a local derby today and could have gone top of the table albeit briefly , if Mick thinks any of that performance today was acceptable then he's in the wrong job!!!
He set the side up and picked the formation and used the subs as he saw fit!
The full responsibility for that shite today was down to him and him alone, if he couldn't see how ineffective some of his players were today, then it's time to go.
It didn't work, it's boring to watch and I really hope we can get a proper coach in who not only can get players passing to one another, but can actually make it entertaining to watch.
Harris, and Micks style of football belong in the dark ages.
Absolute shite today

Sorry but I think you all exaggerate the City’s failings, as you are entitled to as fans of course. Will stay off this message board for a while as the negativity depresses me! Good luck all for now.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

If this bloke isn't a wind up, which I strongly believe he is, then hasn't he said that he's Norwegian? If so, it's a bloody decent attempt in my opinion. Although I'm betting his name is Phil and he lives in gabalfa.

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Well it's either a wind up or Ole himself

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Originally Posted by City123

Well it's either a wind up or Ole himself

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Probably ole, although this bloke hasn't changed his mind three times in the space of a week, so maybe not.

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

I haven't seen the game today but for me Ralls has done little in a long cardiff career. I cant remember one game where he been the best player on the pitch.

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How bout this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50190746

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Originally Posted by delmbox

How bout this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50190746

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Yup, that was a good day at the office for Joe.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

How bout this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50190746

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hands down the worst weather i've ever experienced down a cardiff game. could have swam back to the city centre after the game

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Perhaps this is the problem but I thought Ralls was our best player today. I certainly don't think he is the reason we lost.

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Wow. Just, wow.

Why people bite or try to engage with this Norwegian prick I don’t know.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So the defence, as usual, gets off Scot free? I doubt if anyone has moaned more about our midfield than me in the last two years, but I think Pack and Ralls have been playing quite well lately - I didn’t see us lumping it too much today either, I thought we didn’t do well at either end of the pitch today.

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We've conceded 6 goals in 5 matches so I don't understand why the defence gets of scot-free either (including both our GKs too who I think are poor so far this season). There was one move though which did give a glimpse of what we can do. Flint headed it down to the feet of Sang or Giles I - can't remember - on the right flank which resulted in some slick passing right through the middle of the park to an attacking position in the Bristol City box (I think Moore was on the end of it). It took seconds from defence to get the ball up the park and it was very telling that it was as a result of a CB heading the ball down and not looping it aimlessly forwards and conceding possession.

Joe Ralls. 28k a week allegedly. Criminal.

If people want to moan about the defence then start your own thread.

Anyone who thought Ralls performance was in any way acceptable today needs to stay off the glue.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

If people want to moan about the defence then start your own thread.

Anyone who thought Ralls performance was in any way acceptable today needs to stay off the glue.

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Fair enough. Sometimes I forget the thread topic and end up veering off. Apologies.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Fair enough. Sometimes I forget the thread topic and end up veering off. Apologies.

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No need to apologise, threads often go off topic on here - anyway, based on the lack of criticism of our defence following the match, it appears that a couple of our centre halves can do what they like at the back as long as they’re scoring up the other end.

I agree that Ralls is not the same player as he was (he seems less mobile than he was and my feeling is this may be down to the injury which kept him out for some time in 19/20), but I think he and Pack have been combining pretty well this season and I’m a bit puzzled why anyone would single him out for criticism after yesterday’s game - I’m off the booze these days, have never done drugs (apart from the very occasional slice of cannabis cake) and have never been into glue sniffing, so can’t use them as an excuse for not agreeing with the sentiments of this thread when applied to yesterday’s game.

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

No biggie today, he played exactly how he normally plays.

Gets the ball, turns into space and passes it.
Offers himself like he really wants it to try and create something, may play a telling ball once in a while, but often does very little.

Pops up in areas with space to receive the ball within shooting range and invariably splays it sideways, though he might have a shot but it is usually rather tame.

I am not "bashing" the guy but Joe unfortunately is an up and down box to box midfielder and nothing more.

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On the defence of Ralls he can’t pass it forward as we don’t have anyone to run onto it

The only thing I would add about Joe Ralls is that I believe he has a painting of himself in a locked attic room somewhere. Has anyone else noticed he hasn't aged since he first started playing for us?

I like Joe Ralls, he's been about an age with us and its not lack of effort from him, he always gives his all, and while it's true him and Pack have started well and I can see what he offers getting up and down the pitch, I'd rather we try a different approach and get someone in there who can control the ball and use a bit of composure to not just rush the ball away from their own feet by hooking it upfield instead of..shock horror.. Controlling it off the chest and not lumping it away. I admit he doesn't always do this but I've seen it once too many already in this short season and it has to stop.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Fair enough. Sometimes I forget the thread topic and end up veering off. Apologies.

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No need to apologise and it wasn’t aimed at you tbh. It was aimed at TOBW who just 3 posts into the thread wants to completely change the topic.

Threads running their course and changing direction is fine but not after 3 posts.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

No need to apologise and it wasn’t aimed at you tbh. It was aimed at TOBW who just 3 posts into the thread wants to completely change the topic.

Threads running their course and changing direction is fine but not after 3 posts.

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I know posts sometimes veer off over the course of multiple posts, but yeah 3 posts in is strange.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

No need to apologise and it wasn’t aimed at you tbh. It was aimed at TOBW who just 3 posts into the thread wants to completely change the topic.

Threads running their course and changing direction is fine but not after 3 posts.

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There’s no rule book to how threads should be structured and progress.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Threads running their course and changing direction is fine but not after 3 posts.

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Hartley has spoken. The people must listen.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There’s no rule book to how threads should be structured and progress.

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But come on, thread titled Joe Ralls you'd expect to come in and read and discuss.. Joe Ralls.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Hartley has spoken. The people must listen.

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This kind of petulant attitude from a pensioner is pathetic tbh. He's hardly made demands and laid down the law has he.

Can someone explain what they want Joe Ralls to be? Sorry to get all DML on the subject, but what exactly are we expecting from him?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

But come on, thread titled Joe Ralls you'd expect to come in and read and discuss.. Joe Ralls.

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:hehe:

I wish I had a pound for every thread I’ve started that has gone off topic within three posts - it happens, who cares?

We conceded a goal yesterday where the scorer was allowed to miscontrol the ball pretty badly and still go on to put the ball in the net without a challenge on him. That’s shocking at this level and I thought it had more to do with our defeat than the performance from a midfielder who, to me, played a bit better than he has done in a lot of games over the past year or so.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

:hehe:

I wish I had a pound for every thread I’ve started that has gone off topic within three posts - it happens, who cares?

We conceded a goal yesterday where the scorer was allowed to miscontrol the ball pretty badly and still go on to put the ball in the net without a challenge on him. That’s shocking at this level and I thought it had more to do with our defeat than the performance from a midfielder who, to me, played a bit better than he has done in a lot of games over the past year or so.

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Threads do go off topic, it doesn't really matter a great deal nothing worth getting ones knickers in a twist over obviously, but there's a difference between threads veering off topic and someone just appearing on a thread and posting about something completely different, since you asked :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Can someone explain what they want Joe Ralls to be? Sorry to get all DML on the subject, but what exactly are we expecting from him?

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A new verb. A CCMBism. An interesting development of forum language. Will it go viral? Maybe postal? (or is that too post ironic?) I'm fascinated by language development.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Can someone explain what they want Joe Ralls to be? Sorry to get all DML on the subject, but what exactly are we expecting from him?

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I'll begin.

I would like him to pass the ball incisively from time to time, to a player on our team, not sideways 5 yards but forwards. I'd like him to do some extra training on sprinting practice, so that he doesn't look so one-paced. I'd also like it if he could improve his set-piece delivery too.

Now, you may or may not agree with what I've said, however, that's what 'I' would want.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Threads do go off topic, it doesn't really matter a great deal nothing worth getting ones knickers in a twist over obviously, but there's a difference between threads veering off topic and someone just appearing on a thread and posting about something completely different, since you asked :thumbup:

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Well, let’s have a bit of accuracy here if you insist on making this an issue. First, my first contribution to this thread was the tenth message in it, not the third (someone had already posted about Ole in it) and it said “thought the midfield wasn’t the problem today - why do people keep on saying we have a good defence?”. Is that really posting “something completely different”?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

:hehe:

I wish I had a pound for every thread I’ve started that has gone off topic within three posts - it happens, who cares?

We conceded a goal yesterday where the scorer was allowed to miscontrol the ball pretty badly and still go on to put the ball in the net without a challenge on him. That’s shocking at this level and I thought it had more to do with our defeat than the performance from a midfielder who, to me, played a bit better than he has done in a lot of games over the past year or so.

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I haven't watched any video footage of the game so this is now from eye-witness testimony (which is deeply flawed) bit I thought I saw Phillips go for the ball then hesitate, step back, and all I saw after that was the ball in the net. Was Phillips to blame? I'm not accusing Phillips, I haven't watched any replays.

Going back to Ralls, another thing people have mentioned which I think is a valid point is that he doesn't look up for a pass often enough anymore. It is something I noticed yesterday. In recent years, the only midfielder who's done this properly, to my liking, has been Tomlin.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I haven't watched any video footage of the game so this is now from eye-witness testimony (which is deeply flawed) bit I thought I saw Phillips go for the ball then hesitate, step back, and all I saw after that was the ball in the net. Was Phillips to blame? I'm not accusing Phillips, I haven't watched any replays.

Going back to Ralls, another thing people have mentioned which I think is a valid point is that he doesn't look up for a pass often enough anymore. It is something I noticed yesterday. In recent years, the only midfielder who's done this properly, to my liking, has been Tomlin.

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That’s what I saw Phillips do as well and Flint never got close enough to Weizmann to affect the situation, seems to me both of them were at fault.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Well, let’s have a bit of accuracy here if you insist on making this an issue. First, my first contribution to this thread was the tenth message in it, not the third (someone had already posted about Ole in it) and it said “thought the midfield wasn’t the problem today - why do people keep on saying we have a good defence?”. Is that really posting “something completely different”?

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I just remember you posting about the defence. I'm guessing the 3 posts in was an exaggeration.