An idiot would suggest Messrs Dalman and Choo have been running a 'successful' top six championship side for a number of years when they haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
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An idiot would suggest Messrs Dalman and Choo have been running a 'successful' top six championship side for a number of years when they haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
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I think he has zero interest in football and his interest lies in owning the clubs for completely different reasons. When his vanity project failed during the rebrand his acquisitions have become something else to him and the suits. But it’s not founded in a love of football in the same way that someone acquiring a stake in any other business is owning it purely for financial gain. And we did make a big investment in Sala which was the right thing to do to try and stay in the PL but it tragically ended the way it did. What does ‘a sister club to CCFC’ even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Spot on, we’re back in mid table with a threadbare squad and the same financial woes. There’s clearly no long term plan or strategy at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Shame we didn't get Tomlin and Vassell out the door yesterday.
smithies too - good player but on a premier League wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
there seems to be more long term planning going on at the moment than at any time previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by horse_face
most recent seasons have been all about the current season with no regard to what problems we were building up longer term.
now we are stripping out the premier League wages, which are largely wasted on players who aren't good enough to get us back to the premier League or keep us there.
bringing youth prospects through which will hopefully reduce the number of players we need to sign to replace the players we are clearing out.
signing younger players in positions where we know we are going to lose players NEXT season i.e. McGuiness and Wintle - we potentially lose almost our entire defence and midfield next season, so we have at least tried to bring in players who hopefully will be upto speed by then.
all the while the homegrown players will be getting better with experience and the fewer players we have to sign the Bette rwe can make those players.
I feel much more comfortable with the longer term direction at the moment than Warnock giving sol Bamba an extra year at the age of 34 while recovering from a knee ligament injury.
it will be a real stretch to be able to compete with clubs who have more that twice as much to spend on their squads as we do, but that's the situation we are in now.
it isn't impossible, but it requires a different approach to the one we've been taking so far.
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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Would Tomlin fit through a door frame ?
We've lost more players than we've signed and ended up only being short (in number) at LB and potentially 3rd CB.
Shows how bloated the squad was when starting back in the Championship - this has helped us manage covid seasons more effectively than others and if covid comes back in a big way then we might be the team suffering now - but two players for each position isn't bad.
Think it's time for fans to get behind what we've got, though conversations about future directions will definitely come up again towards end of the season.
An idiot is someone would provide a list of our Championship finishing positions since 2012/2013 and deliberately miss out three of our most successful seasons (1st, 2nd and 5th), presumably only because it doesn't fit his argument and beggars his figures up. Our average Championship finishing position in the last nine seasons has been 6.7 and the other two seasons we were in the Premier League. If that doesn’t make us a successful top six club, I don't know what does. Not by your definition though obviously, due to your blind hatred of anyone associated with Vincent Tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You claimed "Choo and Dalman have been running a successful top six championship side for a number of years."Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Dalman became Chairman in July 2013. In his first season as Chairman, the club was relegated to the Championship, having finished rock bottom of the Premier League. The club's record with Dalman as Chairman is as follows:
2013/14 - 20th in the Premier League (relegated)
2014/15 - 11th in the Championship
2015/16 - 8th in the Championship
2016/17 - 12th in the Championship
2017/18 - 2nd in the Championship (promoted)
2018/19 - 18th in the Premier League (relegated)
2019/20 - 5th in the Championship
2020/21 - 8th in the Championship
Not quite as you described, is it? And let's not forget the club has been continually losing significant sums of money during that period. Successful? Do you really think so?
My assessment would be measured against Wolves who went up at the same time. They would be my definition of successful and we are no way near that standard of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
What about Villa? Leeds? If Wolves come down I’d be amazed if they didn’t go straight back up. Remember that was the line sold to the fans when we got relegated. Then we got Harris! Burnley bought Roberts for F all and we couldn’t stretch to that measly sum. It’s not right. None of the lads coming through are going to set the league on fire and if any of them do, they’ll sell them!
But hey, let’s be excited by having a Wolves player on loan.
We knew we had to get rid of some of the earners, I think signing Collins was a key bit of business. The youngsters have to be up to it now.
I think of most this was to be expected.
they've both been here for 10 years. Just how long does it take to become an experienced football man? Also, I've heard that term bandied about before :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by horse_face
Wasn't expecting anything yesterday. It's disappointing that Murphy left but history suggests that we're not going to miss him. Personally I'm more excited about a season with the kids than I am about a few 30 somethings coming in yesterday
Measly sum - £2.5m. We haven't got it and neither have most of the other clubs in the Championship. Wolves bought themselves access to the Premier League by buying in and loaning in half of Portugal's national team due to their Jorge Mendes contacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Dalman joined the City board in January 2012 and was effectively running the club until he was made chairman in 2013. As I said City are a successful Championship club. Word twisting and loose interpretation by you again.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
They are all business men how do you equate your term success with the millions thrown down a black hole?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
There’s always an excuse. It’s never our owner’s or the board’s responsibility is it? I think we’re being lied to. But I’m going to leave it there. I know when I’m flogging a dead horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Really?!? Can you prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
If what you say is correct, why did Vincent Tan appoint Simon Lim as acting chairman in March 2013 instead of Mehmet Dalman? And why did Dalman tell the press in June 2014 that his new position as Executive Chairman after Lim’s departure gave him the power to make executive decisions?
Millions of Tans own money. Plus I was talking about success on the pitch. We haven't finished lower in the Championship than 13th since 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
You do realise that TLG is a total knob who thinks being a smartarse is cool but is really just some odd loser joking ex fan who only posts to get brownie points from the club basher,Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Horse face is another puppet.
Love Stockholm.
This has been apparent to me for some time. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Millions of tans own money wasted by his board of directors.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Not success at all.
If you throw money at something you want a return on it all Tan has had is losses on losses that's not success in anyone's book.
Exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
Tan's and his own men wasting his money with their managerial choices and also agreement to signings while being led blindly by those managers.
How can anybody be hands on with a signing as part of the recruitment team and then point fingers at the manager when it goes wrong? Team decision when deciding to sign the player but one person being the fall guy when it turns to s***? It is laughable.
Tan, Dalman and Choo pick the managers. Tan, Dalman and Choo sit down with the manager and agree on the signing of players before releasing the funds.
If the signing is a success then they bask in the praise. If it fails then throw the manager under the bus for that signing while usually in the process of sacking him. Then repeat.
The recruitment team are either top level professionals in charge of a football club and very competent or a bit wet behind the ears and naive people who get caught out by the dark and sneaky side of football. Sadly for the fans our board choose their position at any point on that scale dependant on how things look at the time.
dml is comedy gold on here of late. "I've got family in Sheffield who know...." 😄 Stan Butler can't even rescue him if he keeps on like this.
Nothing changes here until the personnel change.
Whether that is replacing those mentioned or supplementing them with people who are able to -
1) Appoint a manager that the club needs if it is truly wanting to go in the direction of playing better football and entertain more.
2) Sign players that fit into that model.
The least they can admit to at least is that they were played by Warnock quite a few times. Most can also see that while they've said they want better football they could not have trawled the football league and found 3 more direct and no frills style managers.
It won't happen. We are on a cost cutting exercise while expecting fans to still turn up in the same number.
It is a dangerous game with regards to returning to the Premier League any time soon but if people want run of the mill mid table Championship then they will be happy enough.
Do I know you ? Do you know me ? Do you know where I live or who my family are ? Do you know anything at all about me or how I live my life. No to all questions. The things that I do know about you from your own words are that you are an attention seeking, egotistical, prat who isn't a season ticket holder, doesn't go to games, doesn't like any of our players, the manager, owner or staff who works for the club and thinks he knows everything and posts the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read, on a daily basis on this board. You and TLG are welcome to each other. I hope you have a very happy life together as you wander off into the sunset holding hands. Thats if you aren't the same person of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Even if it was the biggest load of bollocks on here it would need to go some to beat yours dml me old mucka.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Not one long ball played against Sutton, a large loan fee for Madine that nobody else knows of, the club shop selling out almost all of it's stock and family members who have exact information about a bonus payment that the press couldn't even get hold of. And that is just scratching the surface you cretin.
We have got into the Premier League twice under Mr Tan, who also repaid himself large sums of money that he was owed on both occasions, if you check the club accounts. As I said we have been top half of the table ever since he was here, got into the play offs and promoted automatically twice, so its not all quite as bad as some people make out. The current financial situation is also at lesst partly due to the pandemic but nearly all Championship clubs are in the same position.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
QED.:hehe::hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
PS. How would you know about Sutton - you weren't there and didn't watch it; the shop did sell out of its stock- you posted that; we did get loan fees for Madine, even TLG admitted that.
We should have a poll vote on that , and obtain a consensus .Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
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Originally Posted by stan butler
I know about Sutton and we did play long balls as most including me said at the time. The reason for the threadbare shop was not because we had sold so much and hadn't restocked it quickly enough (you are not seriously still running with that? Haha).Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
We have no evidence of a loan fee having been paid. There was mention of a bonus and they paid some of the wages as is standard practice. A loan fee is different and you know that it is.
I dare you to find something as bizarre in my posts.
You won't find anything but much outside of my views on games and that I do not believe that Tan and the board that he has chosen are the people to take us forward. All our inadequacies lead here.
A bit better than making things up like your posts above wouldn't you think? Maybe not?
I did nothing of the sort. I notice you’ve given the relevant threads a swerve today. What’s up? Cat got your tongue?Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
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dml in making things up to make himself seem more knowledgeable on club matters than he actually is shocker.
I’m deeply offended, Stockholm. Wounded. Truly.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
You just made all that upQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
"if you check the accounts"
Go on then if they are available post them here.
If Tan was able to repay himself with these vast millions how did we get done by what was formerly known as football fair play rules.
You've changed from top 6 to top half an all.
That's another thread he has to avoid because he made something up.
Add it to the list.
Weren't you moaning they don't have any 3xl shirts in the club shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Tomlin has had mental health issues, the way some people ramble on on here you'd swear he was just lazy and unprofessional. Who knows how his mental health has a day to day effect on his life.
Why don't you grown up and stop making such horrible comments. You don't know his struggles, you don't deserve to sit at your laptop slagging him off just because you have a season ticket.
Maybe you can hand in your ST just like them people singing vile songs, for making vike comments, or doesn't that fit your narrative?
Don't let your dislike of one poster cloud your judgment on another...Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
My judgment was made when a thread of theirs was posted and praised by the club basher elsewhere :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior