All decisions are made by Tan

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

He's a hero in my book. I wonder if he's had his season ticket card yet?

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I'd give a freedom the City to Vincent Tan unlike many foreign owners he has added value and joy to a lot of people's lives in and around Cardiff from youngsters through to the elderly , many local charities and poor children who have life defining health issues have also been beneficiaries of the clubs mission and success. On many occasions we have won family club of the year , the money spent on our development squads are bearing fruit and the City's training facilities at the Vale are wonderful.

Promotions, some good players have come and gone

All of the above are down to Vincent Tan the best owner we have ever had .

Again (added more value) than some born and bred in this City of ours.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'd give a freedom the City to Vincent Tan unlike many foreign owners he has added value and joy to a lot of people's lives in and around Cardiff from youngsters through to the elderly , many local charities and poor children who have life defining health issues have also been beneficiaries of the clubs mission and success.

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Maybe a higher accolade is in order? Can a Malaysian be knighted? If so, Her Majesty should be seriously considering it.

The joy Vincent has given to the people of South Wales is incomparable. The sense of excitement throughout the area at the prospect of more mid-table Championship football under Mick McCarthy is palpable, especially given the team’s swashbuckling style.

Everyone is benefitting from this magnificent mission. Especially the poor and sick children.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Maybe a higher accolade is in order? Can a Malaysian be knighted? If so, Her Majesty should be seriously considering it.

The joy Vincent has given to the people of South Wales is incomparable. The sense of excitement throughout the area at the prospect of more mid-table Championship football under Mick McCarthy is palpable, especially given the team’s swashbuckling style.

Everyone is benefitting from this magnificent mission. Especially the poor and sick children.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nst...wealth-charity

he doesn't seem a bad guy to be honest

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Originally Posted by Rjk

he doesn't seem a bad guy to be honest

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Practically a saint. Of course, he could give half of his wealth to charity while he’s still alive, but that’s besides the point. He’ll do it when he’s dead. Allegedly.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

For me there is little difference.

If you had your investment in an enterprise and picked your own people to run it then you would be at fault if your people failed would you not?

You talk of all the success we have had. Where has that success led us? On a shoe string in the Championship and forced to play kids is all I can see.

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People have been clamouring for the manager to play players from the academy and now it has happened you say the manager is forced to play kids as it saves the club money.

Success has led us to the Premier League on two occasions under Tan and our chances of staying there were pretty remote even though we gave it a good shot. We simply cannot compete with other clubs financially. Perhaps you would like another owner. Good luck with that as Derby (about to go into Administration) have just found out.

You really couldn't make it up.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

People have been clamouring for the manager to play players from the academy and now it has happened you say the manager is forced to play kids as it saves the club money.

Success has led us to the Premier League on two occasions under Tan and our chances of staying there were pretty remote even though we gave it a good shot. We simply cannot compete with other clubs financially. Perhaps you would like another owner. Good luck with that as Derby (about to go into Administration) have just found out.

You really couldn't make it up.

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I reckon that we could've been a Watford, Brighton, Burnley, Leicester, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Brentford etc If Tan had recruited the correct people.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I reckon that we could've been a Watford, Brighton, Burnley, Leicester, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Brentford etc If Tan had recruited the correct people.

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Steady on. The height of any sensible fan’s ambitions is to be Not Derby.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Almost every aspect of the club is overseen by Tan or employees that have been put in place by Tan.

He has been in place over a decade and has picked the following managers to take this club forward - Malky, Ole, Slade, Trollope, Warnock, Harris, McCarthy.

Whether you agree with them or not he picked them.
For me it is rich to pick a man and then be unhappy with spending and signings that you have signed off.

Tan picks the board, the manager, the people in charge of the academy, the tea lady if he chooses. He oversees everything and can change what he likes when he likes, even the kit.
If the board he picks have picked the wrong manager then that is on him. If they release funds for a signing for a manager that they have picked then sorry that again is the fault of the owner.

We can argue the toss about the latest manager who has been installed to be shot at all we like but unless Tan changes his thinking on the way the rest of the club works then he will continue to make the same errors again and again. Just changing one man over and over will see very little change long term.

You can't bask in the glory of the right decisions you make and then put on the naive act when things go wrong. You either have that footballing knowledge or admit you do not and employ somebody that does.

For me, as a club we are going around in circles. Let's say we made the play offs and miraculously got promoted this season, does anybody here think the people in charge here above the manager would have any clue how to keep us up?

Cardiff City at the moment is like groundhog day.
Pick a manager, give him money/or not based on a manager stinging you previously (a manager you picked and signings you agreed to). Hope for success and if it doesn't work sack him and change the manager while keeping almost everything else constant.

Tan dictates almost all aspects of the club and it is Tan who should be held accountable. Slating the latest manager in charge isn't going to change anything because the decision makers here aren't doing anything differently and won't be doing any time soon it seems.

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So the buck stops at the top! Who knew :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Vindec

People have been clamouring for the manager to play players from the academy and now it has happened you say the manager is forced to play kids as it saves the club money.

Success has led us to the Premier League on two occasions under Tan and our chances of staying there were pretty remote even though we gave it a good shot. We simply cannot compete with other clubs financially. Perhaps you would like another owner. Good luck with that as Derby (about to go into Administration) have just found out.

You really couldn't make it up.

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I said before the season started if we use kids it'll be because our hand has been forced financially, rather than a genuine desire to start playing the kids.

I'm happy it's happened. But I won't fool myself why.

As soon as i read this post, i knew TLG would be all over it like a rash.
The perfect thread for another outpouring of bitterness. Let it go fella. You’ll get ulcers.

I’m not a fan of Tan, I simply don’t like his attitude towards the club, I can never forgive him for the Red debacle and the numerous missed opportunities to take the club forward. On the business front City represents roughly 6% of Berjaya’s assets so its never going to get the personal level of attention from Tan. The days of it being his plaything have gone, the club is in stasis until the day he wants rid of it.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

I’m not a fan of Tan, I simply don’t like his attitude towards the club, I can never forgive him for the Red debacle and the numerous missed opportunities to take the club forward. On the business front City represents roughly 6% of Berjaya’s assets so its never going to get the personal level of attention from Tan. The days of it being his plaything have gone, the club is in stasis until the day he wants rid of it.

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It all depends on how you want to look at it.
I can name at least a dozen clubs off the top of my head, who used to be league clubs, and are now non league.
We could easily have been amongst that lot.
We’ve been in the 2nd tier now for almost 2 decades, and have tasted 2 seasons in the Premier league, and 4 visits to Wembley.
Something none of us would have believed in the dungeon days.
Obviously that’s not all down to Tan, but we’ve had more good times than bad during his tenure.
Those who say they can never forgive him for the attempted rebrand, are imo, very childish and bitter.
There are lots of things in the world at the moment to be to be upset and angry about. The colour of a football shirt isn’t one.
I was born in St Davids hospital, and have never lived further than 3 miles away from NP and the CCS all my life. I’ve supported them since i was a toddler. I’ll support them for the rest of my days, what ever colour they play in.
As owners go, he’s ok in my book.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

As soon as i read this post, i knew TLG would be all over it like a rash.

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Similarly, as soon as I posted on this thread, I knew my most avid fan would follow. It’s the perfect platform for yet another in his lengthy series of inane comments. Let it go, fella. You’ll get ulcers.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Similarly, as soon as I posted on this thread, I knew my most avid fan would follow. It’s the perfect platform for yet another in his lengthy series of inane comments. Let it go, fella. You’ll get ulcers.

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First time i’ve posted on here for weeks bitterman. Unlike you, continually refusing to put your toys back in the pram.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

First time i’ve posted on here for weeks bitterman..

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Exactly. First time you’ve posted here in weeks and the first thing you do is hunt down one of my posts to supply another of your tedious responses. What a bitter man. Or woman.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I was born in St Davids hospital, and have never lived further than 3 miles away from NP and the CCS all my life. I’ve supported them since i was a toddler. I’ll support them for the rest of my days, what ever colour they play in.

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I wasn’t born in Cardiff, I’d never set foot in the place until my first match, the closest I’ve lived is 40 miles away, I only come to Cardiff for City or Wales matches. I’ve lived all over the world, currently in Poland. I’ve attended roughly 1200 games including 78 of the 92 with City. I’ve supported them since I was 8 & will support them the rest of my days. What’s your point?

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

I wasn’t born in Cardiff, I’d never set foot in the place until my first match, the closest I’ve lived is 40 miles away, I only come to Cardiff for City or Wales matches. I’ve lived all over the world, currently in Poland. I’ve attended roughly 1200 games including 78 of the 92 with City. I’ve supported them since I was 8 & will support them the rest of my days. What’s your point?

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My point is, as a Cardiff boy through and through, the attempted rebrand was just a bit of fabric woven into our colourful history. We haven’t got the monopoly on the colour blue. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

My point is, as a Cardiff boy through and through, the attempted rebrand was just a bit of fabric woven into our colourful history. We haven’t got the monopoly on the colour blue. Grow up.

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Thankfully the majority didn't see it like this .
Hence we are back in blue.

If we were in red right now , you would probably have the stadium to your self , which I think would suit you
seeing as you were born a stones throw from the ground . Gives your opinion so much more ?? ......nothing actually.....

It actually pleases me to see a red on here whingeing :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

My point is, as a Cardiff boy through and through, the attempted rebrand was just a bit of fabric woven into our colourful history. We haven’t got the monopoly on the colour blue. Grow up.

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What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Thankfully the majority didn't see it like this .
Hence we are back in blue.

If we were in red right now , you would probably have the stadium to your self , which I think would suit you
seeing as you were born a stones throw from the ground . Gives your opinion so much more ?? ......nothing actually.....

It actually pleases me to see a red on here whingeing :thumbup:

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We had our biggest crowds in Red. It’s success that brings fans in, not the colour of the shirt.
My point about being a local boy, wasn’t that my opinion means more than others, it was that if it doesn’t bother me, why should it bother interlopers like you?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

We had our biggest crowds in Red.

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Incorrect.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Steady on. The height of any sensible fan’s ambitions is to be Not Derby.

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Did you know that we were once in the 4th Division, Playing in front of 3,000 fans.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

We had our biggest crowds in Red. It’s success that brings fans in, not the colour of the shirt.
My point about being a local boy, wasn’t that my opinion means more than others, it was that if it doesn’t bother me, why should it bother interlopers like you?

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Is there a contradiction in there ?

Interestingly where did all the local born reds go when the ratings dropped?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Did you know that we were once in the 4th Division, Playing in front of 3,000 fans.

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And thats why , if we lose 5-0 today , We should all count our blessings .

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Did you know that we were once in the 4th Division, Playing in front of 3,000 fans.

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Exactly. And no team currently in the Premier League ever played in the bottom division, so City fans shouldn’t be aiming that high.

(*No team in the Premier League except Brentford. And Burnley. And Brighton. Oh, and Wolves.)

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

I’m not a fan of Tan, I simply don’t like his attitude towards the club, I can never forgive him for the Red debacle and the numerous missed opportunities to take the club forward. On the business front City represents roughly 6% of Berjaya’s assets so its never going to get the personal level of attention from Tan. The days of it being his plaything have gone, the club is in stasis until the day he wants rid of it.

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Its not as straightforward as the club being in stasis until he wants rid of it.

You need someone who wants it.

The likelihood is Tan or his family are going to be our owners for years.

It wouldnt suprise me if we get another promotion in the years ahead or even dropped to L1. There are currently bigger clubs than us down there.

Im pretty confident we will be safe in mid table over the next couple of seasons. Though the football isnt going to be pretty.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

And thats why , if we lose 5-0 today , We should all count our blessings .

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It's a great strategy. Used by Bum politicians and the servile foe Centuries.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Exactly. And no team currently in the Premier League ever played in the bottom division, so City fans shouldn’t be aiming that high.

(*No team in the Premier League except Brentford. And Burnley. And Brighton. Oh, and Wolves.)

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Stop this disobedience! We could've ended up like Leicester who played in the 3rd division and had to go into Administration. I wonder what happened to them?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Stop this disobedience! We could've ended up like Leicester who played in the 3rd division and had to go into Administration. I wonder what happened to them?

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Thats a reason I couldnt be happy with them winning the league.

I may be wrong but I think they did it before the points deduction.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Thats a reason I couldnt be happy with them winning the league.

I may be wrong but I think they did it before the points deduction.

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They did, i think they were 30 million in debt, 2003 i think.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Thats a reason I couldnt be happy with them winning the league.

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Today’s opponents have been in administration. Twice. As have Premier League clubs Crystal Palace (twice), Southampton and Leeds.

This thread was started and is being perpetuated by the biggest pair of ‘anti anything Cardiff City’ posters on this board and their hangers on. Anyone who has posted anything remotely disagreeing with their opinion is immediately jumped upon and ridiculed. It is one of a long line of anti Tan, anti McCarthy, anti team threads to be started by this pair in the six years that I have been posting on the board. At least I now now that I am not the only person on this board that is totally pissed off by their attitude and constant sniping and moaning. I refuse to engage with them any more directly and will not let them spoil the enjoyment I get from following my team, which is after all what they really want. Their opinions are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Today’s opponents have been in administration. Twice. As have Premier League clubs Crystal Palace (twice), Southampton and Leeds.

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Wasnt there breaking of FFP rules the year they got promoted as well? Im sure it was either Bournemouth or QPR.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Wasnt there breaking of FFP rules the year they got promoted as well? Im sure it was either Bournemouth or QPR.

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Bournemouth were fined for breaching FFP rules during their promotion season, but the fine was reduced on appeal if I remember correctly.

QPR were also fined for the same thing. I think they appealed too, but their appeal was rejected.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I can't accept anyone having opinions that differ from mine.

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Are you still upset because you made a fool of yourself over your ludicrous Madine loan fee claims?

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

My point is, as a Cardiff boy through and through, the attempted rebrand was just a bit of fabric woven into our colourful history. We haven’t got the monopoly on the colour blue. Grow up.

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You did ok until the last two words, then you just couldn’t resist it.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

You did ok until the last two words, then you just couldn’t resist it.

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That’s just my reaction to a grown, intelligent man, who ‘can’t forgive’ a club owner who dared to implement a rebrand, , albeit a daft rebrand,
Anyone would think he’d committed a heinous crime.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

This thread was started and is being perpetuated by the biggest pair of ‘anti anything Cardiff City’ posters on this board and their hangers on. Anyone who has posted anything remotely disagreeing with their opinion is immediately jumped upon and ridiculed. It is one of a long line of anti Tan, anti McCarthy, anti team threads to be started by this pair in the six years that I have been posting on the board. At least I now now that I am not the only person on this board that is totally pissed off by their attitude and constant sniping and moaning. I refuse to engage with them any more directly and will not let them spoil the enjoyment I get from following my team, which is after all what they really want. Their opinions are irrelevant.

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It’s water off s ducks back to me. Thankfully the negative bitter element on this board make up about 0000000.1% of the clubs actual fanbase, if that.

This I believe is the price we pay for playing in blue which is ok by me.The pandemic has hit many a big businessman hard including Tan and maybe those that wanna see the back of him should contact an alternative on behalf of the rest of us poor fans or at least name a couple.I think even at Wrexham the current owners would wince at the financial demands if they ever get to championship level,same goes for Salford methinks.Also another thing that bugs me is that people think that Tans supposed naivety about football is hurting our club when my guess is the opposite insomuch as his naivety saved us from oblivion in the beginning.A fact that a few have tried to airbrush out since.Only ever get threads like this when we get a poor onfield result.

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Originally Posted by sneggyblubird

This I believe is the price we pay for playing in blue which is ok by me.The pandemic has hit many a big businessman hard including Tan and maybe those that wanna see the back of him should contact an alternative on behalf of the rest of us poor fans or at least name a couple.I think even at Wrexham the current owners would wince at the financial demands if they ever get to championship level,same goes for Salford methinks.Also another thing that bugs me is that people think that Tans supposed naivety about football is hurting our club when my guess is the opposite insomuch as his naivety saved us from oblivion in the beginning.A fact that a few have tried to airbrush out since.Only ever get threads like this when we get a poor onfield result.

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Tan is supposedly a billionaire. There's a good chance he did quite well over the pandemic. The collective wealth of billionaires increased by $4 trillion in that time.