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SLUDGE FACTORY
Forget the state pension , that's the biggest benefit of them all
You are an imposter and I know who you are
You don't, and I've already said you are being creepy there.
I don't even know why you are talking about benefits - this was a thread about global commodity prices
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JamesWales
You don't, and I've already said you are being creepy there.
I don't even know why you are talking about benefits - this was a thread about global commodity prices
Lol I can tell by your flowing style of spreading horsemuck
You lot are in charge
Your show
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WJ99mobile
Just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it
I grew up on a council estate, many in my family claimed benefits including disability allowance as you've mentioned. I've lived it.
I've also seen far too many take the ****.
In my opinion support the ones that need supporting - in my opinion the kids in school.
As above no issue if you don't agree with me, that's what the elections are for
So you think there should just be a safety net for disabled people and that this safety net shouldn't be too much and that disabled people shouldn't have the right to even a modest life ? It should just be basic ?
And this safety net .......how long are you going to allow people who are disabled to claim it ?
3 years ?
People don't grow new legs if they lose them in a fall or car crash
You lot are testing disabled people every 3 years to see if .......they have improved ?
Tell me you are kidding me
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The issue is that people take the pee put of benefit systems
not sure anyone has any issues with the genuine people who need help, of course we should have that safety net, some do pretty decently out of it though
Its the people who take the pee out of it, Ive worked on council estates as a chippy and they were on every street, the guy who can't work as he has a back back yet goes out and helps his " mate " to lay a patio
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SLUDGE FACTORY
And this safety net .......how long are you going to allow people who are disabled to claim it ?
As long as they need
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SLUDGE FACTORY
People don't grow new legs if they lose them in a fall or car crash
You lot are testing disabled people every 3 years to see if .......they have improved ?
Can people with 1 leg never work again? A bit insulting
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blue matt
The issue is that people take the pee put of benefit systems
not sure anyone has any issues with the genuine people who need help, of course we should have that safety net, some do pretty decently out of it though
Its the people who take the pee out of it, Ive worked on council estates as a chippy and they were on every street, the guy who can't work as he has a back back yet goes out and helps his " mate " to lay a patio
No the issue with Tories is that they create a culture that means people like you think there is someone on every street claiming when they shouldn't. That bollocks .
The rate of benefit fraud is less than 1 percent
Probably a lot less than builders who don't declare jobs . Know what I am saying ?
There are people who don't like people getting a level of help they think is too much ...in other words a disabled bloke should only get a basic income ......well surely someone with a disability should have a decent living wage ?
How much do you think someone on benefits who is for example disabled gets a year ?
It's not .......doing very well out of it ......put it that way
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WJ99mobile
As long as they need
Well that's not the case at the moment with the people you vote for so you better vote for someone else or make sure you don't get ill
People with disabilities have to prove they are disabled and cannot work
Then 3 years down the line this disabled person , no legs , blind , muscular dystrophy , multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy , schizophrenia, manic depression .........has to prove that their disability that is never going to get better .......hasn't got better !
Can people with 1 leg never work again? A bit insulting
OK, no legs and blind in one eye after a bomb blew them up in Iraq
50 percent burns after a road crash
Fibromylagia
Chronic fatigue syndrome
You think these people should be working and if they cannot they should only get a basic wage ?
Who are you to say to a soldier who has served his country but suffers from ptsd that he should try and work and if he can't he will be on money just enough to get by ?
If you suffered an accident the likes of you would be begging for a decent standard of living
What a selfish society we live in
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Did they need to raise it in the first place?
No they didn’t need to but the undertakers would have been pleased.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
No the issue with Tories is that they create a culture that means people like you think there is someone on every street claiming when they shouldn't. That bollocks .
The rate of benefit fraud is less than 1 percent
Ive seen it with my own eyes, its not that uncommon, I worked on VOG / Cardiff and Bridgend Councils as a Chippy ( Bridgend was only for a few months, the others were for years , so I have hardly been hoodwinked by the Tories to think that, and as it goes at the time of me working for the councils I was voting Labour or Plaid
as a side note, from a quick google
Universal credit accounted for £6bn of the estimated £8.5bn of “overpaid” benefits in 2020-21
Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Ive seen it with my own eyes, its not that uncommon, I worked on VOG / Cardiff and Bridgend Councils as a Chippy ( Bridgend was only for a few months, the others were for years , so I have hardly been hoodwinked by the Tories to think that, and as it goes at the time of me working for the councils I was voting Labour or Plaid
as a side note, from a quick google
Universal credit accounted for £6bn of the estimated £8.5bn of “overpaid” benefits in 2020-21
Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%
So what is your answer? Penalise those who are entitled to claim?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Ive seen it with my own eyes, its not that uncommon, I worked on VOG / Cardiff and Bridgend Councils as a Chippy ( Bridgend was only for a few months, the others were for years , so I have hardly been hoodwinked by the Tories to think that, and as it goes at the time of me working for the councils I was voting Labour or Plaid
as a side note, from a quick google
Universal credit accounted for £6bn of the estimated £8.5bn of “overpaid” benefits in 2020-21
Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%
Just to fill out the picture, the value of unclaimed means tested benefits in the UK in the last year is estimated at £15bn
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"Global Price Rises on Many Commodities"
Could have been an interesting thread with a range of views, and yet again quickly turns into party politics.
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Eric the Half a Bee
So what is your answer? Penalise those who are entitled to claim?
where have I said we should " Penalise those who are entitled to claim " or is that your answer ? ? ?
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jon1959
Just to fill out the picture, the value of unclaimed means tested benefits in the UK in the last year is estimated at £15bn
fair enough, but still doesn't change the fact that people do cheat the system and at close to 13% for UC shows it isn't that uncommon
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A Quiet Monkfish
"Global Price Rises on Many Commodities"
Could have been an interesting thread with a range of views, and yet again quickly turns into party politics.
The eternal Punch and Judy show on here.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
fair enough, but still doesn't change the fact that people do cheat the system and at close to 13% for UC shows it isn't that uncommon
So what is your answer?
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Re: Global Prices Rises On Many Commodities
Natural Gas now showing sustained falls in price over the week. Hope it lasts
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
"Global Price Rises on Many Commodities"
Could have been an interesting thread with a range of views, and yet again quickly turns into party politics.
Even people saying "you don't have to agree with me" are being continually argued with.. It's all a bit silly isn't it.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
The issue is that people take the pee put of benefit systems
not sure anyone has any issues with the genuine people who need help, of course we should have that safety net, some do pretty decently out of it though
Its the people who take the pee out of it, Ive worked on council estates as a chippy and they were on every street, the guy who can't work as he has a back back yet goes out and helps his " mate " to lay a patio
Tax avoidance far more costly.
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Hilts
Tax avoidance far more costly.
100%
Benefit cheating hits harder as anyone can do it and it's quite evident to all who's doing what, but tax avoidance definitely is losing more revenue
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blue matt
fair enough, but still doesn't change the fact that people do cheat the system and at close to 13% for UC shows it isn't that uncommon
Who brought in universal credit
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It tickles me how obsessed Tory sympathisers are with people "taking the piss" out of the benefit system: are they envious? If you can't beat them, join them but understand these so called "benefit scroungers" are willing to accept a much lower quality of life than most of us would want for ourselves.
Someone mentioned theres about £69 billion going to waste on benefit fraud but how do they think they would personally benefit if that were eradicated? If they think the Tories would put it to good use then they are surely going to be sorely disappointed. That money would likely end up in Tory friends and donor's pockets.
The reality is there always has been and always will be a sub class of unemployed and unemployable people but the difference is that in the past those people and their family either perished or turned to crime and prostitution to survive. Looking at it that way, I reckon that £69 billion is a fair investment in order to keep us all safer and happier.
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Dorcus
It tickles me how obsessed Tory sympathisers are with people "taking the piss" out of the benefit system: are they envious? If you can't beat them, join them but understand these so called "benefit scroungers" are willing to accept a much lower quality of life than most of us would want for ourselves.
Someone mentioned theres about £69 billion going to waste on benefit fraud but how do they think they would personally benefit if that were eradicated? If they think the Tories would put it to good use then they are surely going to be sorely disappointed. That money would likely end up in Tory friends and donor's pockets.
The reality is there always has been and always will be a sub class of unemployed and unemployable people but the difference is that in the past those people and their family either perished or turned to crime and prostitution to survive. Looking at it that way, I reckon that £69 billion is a fair investment in order to keep us all safer and happier.
What frustrates me about posts like this is how it tries to present party politics as some kind of disney film, with goodies and baddies. Listening to some people talk about Tories is like listening to Tommy Robinson talk about Islam, or Rev Ian Paisley talk about catholic republicans.
The very benefits system you (rightly) cherish has been run by the Tories for almost twice as long as it has Labour.
The very NHS you (rightly) cherish has been run by the Tories for almost twice as long as it has Labour.
Surely if there is a child you are proud of then you at least recognise the role of the parent who has looked after them the most?
This isn't a defence of the Tories, it's a plea for reasoned debate and less punch and judy bullshit.
There are differences between the parties, but nothing as stark as people make out, and in most cases governments would make the same decisions. Labour dont support benefit fraud any more than the Tories do, and they would both want to crack down on it and make sure it goes to those who most deserve it.
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JamesWales
What frustrates me about posts like this is how it tries to present party politics as some kind of disney film, with goodies and baddies. Listening to some people talk about Tories is like listening to Tommy Robinson talk about Islam, or Rev Ian Paisley talk about catholic republicans.
The very benefits system you (rightly) cherish has been run by the Tories for almost twice as long as it has Labour.
The very NHS you (rightly) cherish has been run by the Tories for almost twice as long as it has Labour.
Surely if there is a child you are proud of then you at least recognise the role of the parent who has looked after them the most?
This isn't a defence of the Tories, it's a plea for reasoned debate and less punch and judy bullshit.
There are differences between the parties, but nothing as stark as people make out, and in most cases governments would make the same decisions. Labour dont support benefit fraud any more than the Tories do, and they would both want to crack down on it and make sure it goes to those who most deserve it.
The trouble with this post is that you've stuck your oar in it.
It is a Disney film: the Tories are the eternal baddies, their beliefs correspond to the lowest common denominator of self interest and avarice. In Manichaeism they would be personified as Ahriman, the Prince of Darkness. That's my view of course and I wouldn't expect you to agree with it.
However, what is certain is that the Tories have invented the myth of "benefit scroungers" to demonise the weakest in society which is their wont. It deflects rather nicely the concentration on massively wealthy spongers called tax evaders.
Of course every budget needs careful management but the reason Labour are seemingly as concerned about it as the Tories are is simply because they know it to be a vote winner with the average constituency. In the greater scheme of things it's a trivial red herring which will never be properly corrected.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Who brought in universal credit
not sure it matters who brought in UC ( as we know Benefit fraud was happening before UC came along ), I said people don't like to see people cheating the benefits system ( which most don't ), you made it sound like it wasn't happening but was just made up by the Tories
the fact is that Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%, I am not sure how people can defend that from any party
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blue matt
not sure it matters who brought in UC ( as we know Benefit fraud was happening before UC came along ), I said people don't like to see people cheating the benefits system ( which most don't ), you made it sound like it wasn't happening but was just made up by the Tories
the fact is that Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%, I am not sure how people can defend that from any party
Universal credit and the new benefits system is a draconian medieval way of treating people, no wonder people cut a few corners
It matters because the Tories, your lot , brought in a new benefits system which you lot all voted for yet under the tories benefit fraud has gone up
Figure that out
I often wonder if any of the people wether in the tory Party or its cap doffing voters have any idea what it must be like to live on benefits , especially if you are disabled
I mean Iain Duncan Smith who brought these changes in , you can tell by his accent he's had it tough
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
The trouble with this post is that you've stuck your oar in it.
It is a Disney film: the Tories are the eternal baddies, their beliefs correspond to the lowest common denominator of self interest and avarice. In Manichaeism they would be personified as Ahriman, the Prince of Darkness. That's my view of course and I wouldn't expect you to agree with it.
However, what is certain is that the Tories have invented the myth of "benefit scroungers" to demonise the weakest in society which is their wont. It deflects rather nicely the concentration on massively wealthy spongers called tax evaders.
Of course every budget needs careful management but the reason Labour are seemingly as concerned about it as the Tories are is simply because they know it to be a vote winner with the average constituency. In the greater scheme of things it's a trivial red herring which will never be properly corrected.
Miaow. Enjoy your Disney films. The real world is very very different. I used to be a member of the Respect Party - a far-left organisation until I realised it's basically all indoctrination and reality is excluded from the debate if it challenges the orthodoxy.
I suggest you get out of that sectarian rabbit hole. The two main parties have far more in common than you think and that's because reality tends to trump ideology when you get in power.
Like I said, neither party supports benefit fraud and both will clamp down on it. The rhetoric may change from time to time or between different parties, but not to the wild extent that you characterise it.
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JamesWales
Miaow. Enjoy your Disney films. The real world is very very different. I used to be a member of the Respect Party - a far-left organisation until I realised it's basically all indoctrination and reality is excluded from the debate if it challenges the orthodoxy.
I suggest you get out of that rabbit hole. The two main parties have far more in common than you think and thats because reality tends to trump ideology when you get in power.
You have changed from a fan of Galloway to a fan of Thatcher
Of course you have
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You have changed from a fan of Galloway to a fan of Thatcher
Of course you have
I'm no fan of Thatcher.
But more generally, some people move on from student union politics.
Some people don't.
:shrug:
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Why isn’t this thread on the politics board?
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the other bob wilson
Why isn’t this thread on the politics board?
You would love that wouldn't you. Bloody Tories.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Miaow. Enjoy your Disney films. The real world is very very different. I used to be a member of the Respect Party - a far-left organisation until I realised it's basically all indoctrination and reality is excluded from the debate if it challenges the orthodoxy.
I suggest you get out of that sectarian rabbit hole. The two main parties have far more in common than you think and that's because reality tends to trump ideology when you get in power.
Like I said, neither party supports benefit fraud and both will clamp down on it. The rhetoric may change from time to time or between different parties, but not to the wild extent that you characterise it.
Grrrr, I didn't expect you to agree! Some people never look beyond their own narrow horizons.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
not sure it matters who brought in UC ( as we know Benefit fraud was happening before UC came along ), I said people don't like to see people cheating the benefits system ( which most don't ), you made it sound like it wasn't happening but was just made up by the Tories
the fact is that Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%, I am not sure how people can defend that from any party
I don't fret about people cheating the benefits system. How does it affect me?
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JamesWales
You would love that wouldn't you. Bloody Tories.
:shrug:
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I don't fret about people cheating the benefits system. How does it affect me?
It might not effect you, as you might not need them, but it might play on your conscience, as them people cheating the system are taking money that could be given to the genuine people who need it, who knows ? ?
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the other bob wilson
:shrug:
Am only messing, to satire the poor state of debate sometimes.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
It might not effect you, as you might not need them, but it might play on your conscience, as them people cheating the system are taking money that could be given to the genuine people who need it, who knows ? ?
It wouldn't play on my conscience as the government could chuck more money at it and at the same time I feel good that people are managing to get more than the scandalously low level of benefits the government dishes out.
However I take your point but don't you think that the majority of people who fret about these things are not so concerned about "genuine" people missing out on benefits but are driven more by envy towards some people not having to work?
By the way, the one area of genuine benefit fraud I agree should be treated very seriously is systematic abuse by setting up false names and multiple accounts etc. That is reprehensible.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Ive seen it with my own eyes, its not that uncommon, I worked on VOG / Cardiff and Bridgend Councils as a Chippy ( Bridgend was only for a few months, the others were for years , so I have hardly been hoodwinked by the Tories to think that, and as it goes at the time of me working for the councils I was voting Labour or Plaid
as a side note, from a quick google
Universal credit accounted for £6bn of the estimated £8.5bn of “overpaid” benefits in 2020-21
Fraud levels in England, Wales and Scotland reached a historic high, with universal credit fraud up five percentage points to nearly 13%
Careful if you point certain things your labelled as a Tory and your right there is abuse of welfare claim systems someone pointed put thee is only 1% of benefit fraud , well that percentage that has been captured .
One case I know of is someone who decided not to work anymore in her middle 60's ,she voluntary retried from NHS, took pay off/ pension , lives in a household with her working partner ( not married ) mortgage paid for she has recently been diagnosed with fibrous well after leaving work and is fully mobile , she claims benefits (Compassionate Allowances) as does her son who doesn't live there for caring for her , once you enter the benefit scheme other benefits do flow through .
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Careful if you point certain things your labelled as a Tory and your right there is abuse of welfare claim systems someone pointed put thee is only 1% of benefit fraud , well that percentage that has been captured .
One case I know of is someone who decided not to work anymore in her middle 60's ,she voluntary retried from NHS, took pay off/ pension , lives in a household with her working partner ( not married ) mortgage paid for she has recently been diagnosed with fibrous well after leaving work and is fully mobile , she claims benefits (Compassionate Allowances) as does her son who doesn't live there for caring for her , once you enter the benefit scheme other benefits do flow through .
Compassionate allowances?
I think you will find when you are on benefits others are actually taken away from you
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How much money should people get?